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Republican-funded Group Attacks Kerry's War Record
Annenberg Political Fact Check ^ | August 6, 2004

Posted on 08/07/2004 7:42:37 AM PDT by syriacus

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To: syriacus

That is the only way they can win for sure, bu tI'm thinking that they are thinking that if they get enough of them they will win this thing for Kerry.


81 posted on 08/08/2004 10:06:32 AM PDT by pctech
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To: syriacus
I don't think I come of as rude in this email I just sent to them. Do you?


82 posted on 08/15/2004 2:19:43 AM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: Conspiracy Guy
”Lying is Their Norm”

What? You couldn't embed the sound track too!

EXCELLENT

MEGA-

Stay Strong
Fuzzy

83 posted on 08/15/2004 2:25:44 AM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: fuzzy122
Thanks. Here is a Dylan tune to go with it.





Lie Kerry Lie
"Lay Lady Lay"

Lie Kerry lie,
Lie out of your big long head.
Lie Kerry lie,
Lie out of your big long head.

Whatever big lies you have in your mind.
You'll tell them to us, do you think we're blind?

Lie Kerry lie,
Lie out of your big long head.
Lie Kerry lie,
Lie out of your big long head.

You burned a village, killed some civilians,
Committed war crimes, you said it was true.
Now you say you’re a hero that we all should love,
Well I tell you, we despise you.

Lie Kerry lie,
Lie out of your big long head.
Lie Kerrie lie,
Can’t believe a word you said.

Your lies are dirty,
And your, hands aren’t clean.
The biggest liar,
That we’ve, ever seen.

Lie Kerry lie,
Lie out of your big long head.
Lie Kerry lie,
Can’t believe a word you said.

Conspiracy Guy aka DIF 8/7/2004
Concept by Longfellow

84 posted on 08/15/2004 4:56:03 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: fuzzy122

Thanks for writing such a great email to them. I was especially struck by your discussion of relying on the testimony of folks in a getaway car.


85 posted on 08/15/2004 5:15:02 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Nice!! LOL.


86 posted on 08/15/2004 5:16:09 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: pctech
On FoxNews Watch, yesterday, Neal Gabler recommended looking at factcheck.org, for a detailed rebuttal of the Swift Vets. He implied that the web page lists the anti-Kerry witnesses, one after another, and shows the are dishonest.

Gabler is dishonest.

87 posted on 08/15/2004 5:25:13 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: syriacus
shows the are dishonest

I should have written:
shows they are dishonest

88 posted on 08/15/2004 5:27:54 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: syriacus
I think it important to post the entirety of Seth Goldman's letter so that we can understand what would motivate this lying weasel to undermine the reputation of the Annenberg operation in one ill-conceived hit piece. The entire letter reads:

Unfair label I find personal and professional offense at the use of the phrase "alternative lifestyles" in the Feb. 17 article "Jews Discuss Alternative Lifestyles".

First, nowhere is a member of the participating organizations cited using that phrase. In fact, journalistic norms require using the identification of the speaker and not imposing the prejudicial title of the writer. If The Hatchet was unsure of which phrase to use, it should have asked a spokesperson.

Second, the phrase violates the tenets of the official Associated Press Stylebook, which The Hatchet abides by - at least it did when I was a staff writer there two years ago. The AP states, "Avoid references to gay, homosexual or alternative 'lifestyle.'" Moreover, the AP recommends using the terms "gay" and "lesbian" and not "homosexual," which was also used in the article.

Third, and finally, the notion that my sexual orientation is merely an "alternative lifestyle" degrades the struggle I and so many lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender youth have and continue to fight. Our orientation is neither an "alternative," which incorrectly implies choosing some other option besides the heterosexual norm, nor is it a "lifestyle," as if we opt to be gay like some choose an urban or trendy lifestyle. Media coverage of LGBT issues is welcomed and appreciated. I only request that it be done with understanding and respect. -Seth Goldman, senior

89 posted on 08/15/2004 5:39:08 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: gilliam
I was completely unaware of the existence of this organization. Seth Goldman has brought them world-wide attention and destroyed their reputation all in one ill-conceived hit-piece. The next time I see something from them I will giggle first, assume that the opposite of the headline is true and read it later. Claiming to apply standards of scholarship, they instead apply all of the doctrines of the best liberal journalistic tradition.

From the FactCheck mission statement:

Our Mission

We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state, and federal levels.

90 posted on 08/15/2004 5:43:33 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
I think it important to post the entirety of Seth Goldman's

You are right. Thanks for posting the entire letter from

Seth Goldman, PC Enforcer.
Catchy title for a TV series :-)
91 posted on 08/15/2004 5:47:44 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: gilliam
Folks might also contact the Annenberg foundation directly.

Headquarters Office
Radnor Financial Center
Suite A-200
150 N. Radnor-Chester Rd.
Radnor, PA 19087
ph: (610) 341-9066
fax: (610) 964-8688
info@annenbergfoundation.org Los Angeles Office
Center West
Suite 1605
10877 Wilshire Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90024
ph: (310) 209-4560
fax: (310) 209-1631

92 posted on 08/15/2004 5:48:25 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: syriacus
A group funded by the biggest Republican campaign donor in Texas

Who is this big Republican donor that they keep alluding to?

93 posted on 08/15/2004 5:54:38 AM PDT by wai-ming
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To: syriacus

One notes that instead of enganging in the scholarship that FactChecks says they will do, Seth Goldman simply relies, as footnoted documentary evidence, opinions stated in other (leftest liberal) newspapers.


94 posted on 08/15/2004 5:59:57 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: syriacus

Thanks


95 posted on 08/15/2004 6:13:46 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: AndyJackson
Our Mission:
We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters

My guess is that most voters only hear it quickly mentioned by "journalists" --- as a "nonpartisan" source, of course.

FactCheck's value lies in the way that it is very easily used as a source (weapon) in an argument.

Happily for lazy and/or deceptive journalists, FactCheck is ready-to-deploy when needed.

It is sort of like a bullet in a six-shooter. Better yet...

A FactCheck document is like a packaged children's meal, that "journalists" can pick up at a drive-thru window to keep rowdy kids quiet.

Gabler isn't much of a journalist if he relies on, what amounts to, secondary sources for his facts.

It's so sad that the name Annenberg would be used in connection with a service that distorts the very truthfulness it pretends to champion.

I was unaware of FactCheck, until a replier to an old thread of mine tried to use FactCheck to refute me.

I guess the replier thought I would bow down to the FactCheck "god."

96 posted on 08/15/2004 6:37:25 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: AndyJackson
One notes that instead of enganging in the scholarship that FactChecks says they will do, Seth Goldman simply relies, as footnoted documentary evidence, opinions stated in other (leftest liberal) newspapers.

Yes!!

Yet, to folks like Neal Gabler, FactCheck is permitted to have the aura of a primary source.

How ironic it was yesterday, that Neal Gabler and the others on FoxNewsWatch were discussing whether celebrities really had the credentials to be journalists.

Jane Hall said that she's gotten her credentials. She said she went to Columbia U School of Journalism.

Yet, on the same show, in face of all the evidence to the contrary, Hall showed she was entirely willing to swallow the Boston Globe account that Elliot recanted his testimony.

97 posted on 08/15/2004 7:02:20 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: wai-ming
Who is this big Republican donor that they keep alluding to?

He is a home builder in Texas. When the news conference earlier this year was a bust the Swift Vets asked for donations. He donated.

Now the Swift Vets are getting donations from all over the country, so they are no longer being funded primarily by this guy.

98 posted on 08/15/2004 7:05:46 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: syriacus
Seth Goldman
Researcher, Annenberg Political Fact Check

Seth Goldman earned his B.A. in political communication at George Washington University. He joined the Annenberg Public Policy Center in June, 2004 with previous experience as journalist, press relations assistant, and media researcher. He has worked at the Committee for a Democratic Majority and at Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's campaign committee. At GWU he founded and edited Sticks & Stones,   an independent, student-run progressive newsmagazine.

99 posted on 08/15/2004 7:07:16 AM PDT by Nick Danger ("Let them eat ketchup!" says TaRAYzuh)
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To: syriacus
The commentary on FactCheck is, at best, a secondary source

In no scholaraly work would an opinion stated in a newspaper be accepted as even a legitimate secondary source in evidence of any fact, especially an opinion stated as a rebutal to a primary source - a sworn statement by an eyewitness to the events. This is not scholarship; it is liberal journalism at its best [worst].

100 posted on 08/15/2004 7:18:36 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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