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Calling John Kerry's military service into question is beyond the pale
Opinion Journal ^ | 8/7/04 | Al Hunt

Posted on 08/07/2004 12:26:49 PM PDT by hansel

Suppose in the 1992 presidential election, after an unconfirmed rumor surfaced about an alleged affair then President Bush had years earlier, Clinton supporters decided to make marital fidelity a central issue. That would be almost as crazy as the current effort by some Bush backers to focus attention on John Kerry's Vietnam War record and subsequent protests. This is being significantly funded and directed by Texas fat cats and political operatives who have more than a passing relationship with Bush political guru Karl Rove. These are some of the same people who surreptitiously smeared John McCain in the last election. There's a Web site, some vicious TV ads are supposed to start this week, and a man, who was a pawn of the Nixon White House efforts to discredit John Kerry 33 years ago, has written a book attacking Mr. Kerry's Vietnam experiences. The charges are that Sen. Kerry has exaggerated his war record, maligned all Americans soldiers when he later protested against the war, and learned the wrong lessons from Vietnam.

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What does Karl Rove have to do with this? Anyone know if Al Hunt is liberal? These poor swifties definitely have an uphill battle. We need to help them.
1 posted on 08/07/2004 12:26:50 PM PDT by hansel
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To: hansel

Liberal as hell.


2 posted on 08/07/2004 12:28:32 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: hansel

Hey Al....Kerry bases his whole life on his military service. It should be questioned.


3 posted on 08/07/2004 12:28:36 PM PDT by stylin19a (We gotta get out of this place...if it's the last thing we ever do)
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To: hansel
Anyone know if Al Hunt is liberal?

Yes Mr. Judy Woodruff is very liberal.

4 posted on 08/07/2004 12:29:35 PM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: hansel

Yeah Hunt is a Dim water carrier. The Dims are very upset that they are getting some of their own medicine.

Had G.H.W. Bush made his own marital fidelity one of his key planks while running for president, had G.H.W. Bush dared reporters ala Gary Hart, you bet you life it would have been fully investigated. There is no reason in the world guys who served with Kerry can not now step forward and say he is now or he then padded his military resume.


5 posted on 08/07/2004 12:29:49 PM PDT by JLS
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To: hansel

If Kerry is going to run on his Vietnam record...we have every right to question it.

By the way....McCain is way off base in backing Kerry on this. He is choosing a fellow senator who trashed the military over the vets who fought the war with out asking anything more than respect. McCain is the true Macnhurian candidate. I can't stand him.


6 posted on 08/07/2004 12:29:53 PM PDT by dinok
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To: hansel
Anyone know if Al Hunt is liberal?

For real? Even Grettel knows the answer to that one...

A_R

7 posted on 08/07/2004 12:30:07 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: hansel

They don't come much more liberal than Hunt.


8 posted on 08/07/2004 12:30:19 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Chi-townChief

Thanks for the info. I am interested in politics but am not seasoned enough yet.


9 posted on 08/07/2004 12:30:23 PM PDT by hansel
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To: hansel

This guy's analogy is completely BS. Unlike Clinton, who did in fact cheat on his "wife" and rape other women, Bush has not manufactured war medals for himself or misrepresented his life like Kerry has. It's these kinds of stupid and incorrect arguments that win the minds of America's dumbasses.


10 posted on 08/07/2004 12:30:27 PM PDT by Flightdeck (Procrastinate later)
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To: hansel

John Kerry's Vietnam War record matters because he is the one that keeps bringing it up. Then he cries foul when the truth comes out. Kerry is such a loser.... In November too!


11 posted on 08/07/2004 12:30:34 PM PDT by just me
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To: Chi-townChief

Al Hunt is crazy as hell to make this analogy.


12 posted on 08/07/2004 12:30:39 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: hansel
All accounts clearly indicate that Mr. Kerry was a moderating influence in the antiwar veterans group, calming the palpable anger and sense of betrayal of so many, and countering the radicals. The Vietnam War was undercut, not by protests at home, but by the war's fundamentally flawed premise and underlying rationale.

All accounts clearly indicate? What a steaming pile of crap this article is. It's one thing to question the Swiftees questioning Kerry in Vietnam; it is quite another to start spinning his anti-war activity. I'm disgusted by this opinion piece. Who is Al Hunt?

13 posted on 08/07/2004 12:30:51 PM PDT by Carling (What happened to Sandy Burglar's Docs?)
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To: Dane

"Anyone know if Al Hunt is liberal?"

He is past liberal in to socialist. I hear he cried when the Soviet Union fell.


14 posted on 08/07/2004 12:30:56 PM PDT by dinok
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To: hansel

If they're complaining about it, the truth is hurting them. Otherwise they'd just laugh it off.

Stand back the snowball is just starting to roll.


15 posted on 08/07/2004 12:31:24 PM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: arkady_renko

See my reply #9


16 posted on 08/07/2004 12:31:33 PM PDT by hansel
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To: hansel


What does Al Hunt have on the publisher of the WSJ that this mediocre dud has keep his writing job all these years? I wouldn't wipe my butt on an Al Hunt column, knowing how flimsy it is.


17 posted on 08/07/2004 12:32:16 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib


ooops...that should be "kept", of course.


18 posted on 08/07/2004 12:33:09 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: hansel
Over 100 Links to Anti-Kerry Websites all on one Page
has a new URL address:

(The previous address had insufficient bandwith and was constantly overloaded.)
This is an excellent site to Bookmark:

Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

19 posted on 08/07/2004 12:33:13 PM PDT by CaraM
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To: hansel

I'm late, but Al Hunt is married to Judy Woodruff.


20 posted on 08/07/2004 12:33:13 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: hansel

Note to self...Do not question anything unless pre-approved by Al Hunt and DNC.


21 posted on 08/07/2004 12:33:16 PM PDT by Drango (To Serve Man, IT'S A COOKBOOK!)
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To: hansel
The goal is to undercut the Democratic nominee's credentials as a commander in chief.

SAY WHAT?

gitmo

22 posted on 08/07/2004 12:35:12 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: Chi-townChief; Dane; TigerLikesRooster; jmstein7
Hmmm...

Is Al Hunt a liberal?

Gee, I think that we need to consult our good friend Chou En-Lai.

Chou, were you a communist?

Chou:

(Roasting on a spit. Being jabbed by assorted demons.)

AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! PAIN!!!!!!! STOP!!!!!!!

23 posted on 08/07/2004 12:35:43 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (...)
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To: hansel

What are you worried about Mr. Woofwoof. Afraid the truth will be revealed.


24 posted on 08/07/2004 12:35:48 PM PDT by OldFriend (IF IT'S KERRY.....HELL IS ON THE WAY)
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To: hansel
some people take claiming medals you don't deserve rather seriously... case in point, one Adm. Bourda
25 posted on 08/07/2004 12:36:16 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: dinok

26 posted on 08/07/2004 12:36:50 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)
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To: hansel
I tried to wait out Hunt's tenure at the WSJ before subscribing but had to give in ...

Anyhow, SwiftVets fire back!

27 posted on 08/07/2004 12:36:50 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: hansel

Will someone please tell me exactly what was done to McCain in South Carolina? I'm tired of all the hints that this was so horrible without really saying what it was. I think McCain thought he was on a roll and George Bush beat him soundly in South Carolina. I think there were probably shenanagans from both sides but Bush came out on top.


28 posted on 08/07/2004 12:36:58 PM PDT by tirednvirginia ((But things are looking up!))
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To: hansel

Kerry needs to address the issue of his mental stability. Why did he machinegun an unarmed, wounded VC in the back, rather than taking him as a POW for interrogation? And why did he burn the villagers homes and slaughter their livestock? If Kerry went mad during his 4 month tour of Vietnam, this information must be made available to the American people.


29 posted on 08/07/2004 12:37:35 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: hansel
Calling John Kerry's military service into question is beyond the pale

Al Hunt is a dog that can't. If Kerry is running on his military service, then he's liable to have that service examined and questioned. This is just reality.
30 posted on 08/07/2004 12:37:55 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: hansel

When a previous Democrat presidential candidate lied, she not only made charges but she had audio tape PROOF to back it up. It still didn't matter to the mainstream media. She was just told she was a liar and to shut up.

I don't expect the Swifties will fare any better setting the record straight about Kerry.

31 posted on 08/07/2004 12:38:09 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (John Edwards - the political embodiment of breast implants.)
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To: hansel

What goes around comes around it appears to me that the dims have been questioning Bush's military record for quite some time now.


32 posted on 08/07/2004 12:39:18 PM PDT by fella
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To: jimbo123

I couldn't agree more. The thought of a Kerry Presidency scares me more and more everyday...


33 posted on 08/07/2004 12:39:55 PM PDT by hansel
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To: hansel

If Bush had said and done the exact same things that Kerry said and done about his Vietnam service, Bush would be hung by the dims.


34 posted on 08/07/2004 12:40:01 PM PDT by tkathy (The choice is clear. Big tent or no tent.)
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To: hansel

What Al Hunt doesn't get is this: The Swift Boat Vets' accounts of what happened in Vietnam are sworn affadavits. Kerry's accounts are not. And this is never mentioned by Kerry's supporters. Not that it would matter. Hell, their hero Clinton made a career out of lying under oath.


35 posted on 08/07/2004 12:40:21 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: just me
John Kerry's Vietnam War record matters because he is the one that keeps bringing it up. Then he cries foul when the truth comes out. Kerry is such a loser.... In November too!

EXACTLY!

36 posted on 08/07/2004 12:40:31 PM PDT by afnamvet (USAF Tuy Hoa AFB RVN 68-69 NOT FONDA KERRY!)
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To: hansel

Did John Kerry serve in Vietnam? This is the first I've heard of it. It's shameful for the Republicans to bring up his war record, it's not like Kerry had Spiel-berg rework a bunch of bogus home movies and show them at the Democratic convention. I'm certain that with Kerry's long record in the Senate he will not run on something that happened 35 years ago.









/ OK, I'm sorry. NOT!


37 posted on 08/07/2004 12:40:43 PM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: hansel
Al Hunt has an anti-Bush agenda and always has... take it with a grain of salt.


38 posted on 08/07/2004 12:40:49 PM PDT by AllTheRage (Put yer dukes up)
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To: hansel
Calling John Kerry's military service into question is beyond the pale

TRANSLATION: "This story is a smoking gun and has legs, so we're going to do our best to smother it."

[I will do time in Gehenna for that mixed metaphor.]

39 posted on 08/07/2004 12:41:02 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Nothing goes together like spliffs and uzis." --Physicist)
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To: Paul_B
They don't come much more liberal than Hunt.

Nor more fake than his "hair"!

40 posted on 08/07/2004 12:41:08 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: hansel
The charges are that Sen. Kerry has exaggerated his war record, maligned all Americans soldiers when he later protested against the war, and learned the wrong lessons from Vietnam.

Well, at least Al "Michael" Hunt got this part right.

As previously said, Kerry made Vietnam a main issue of his campaign, even going so far as to give a very poorly rendered salute as he addessed the DNC.

The vets he has previously maligned have every right to get right in his face over this issue.

41 posted on 08/07/2004 12:41:25 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Designate - Infiltrate - Annihilate // Read my lips: More new taxes - John Kerry)
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To: just me

> John Kerry's Vietnam War record matters because he
> is the one that keeps bringing it up.

Apart from that, the present flap apparently resulted
from JfK running that unit photo on his web site, and
implying support from all who served with him. That
motivated the vets to do something about it. I could
be mistaken, but it's my impression that they started
the effort before they got funding.

Of course they got funding from someone not thrilled
with JfK. Who were they going to approach? Soros?


42 posted on 08/07/2004 12:41:49 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Tall_Texan
The answer is easy here!

HELP!

Somebody with LexisNexus needs to help get access to the Kerry speech on the floor of the Senate in 1986 in which he elaborated on his "Christmas in Cambodia".

Somebody needs to help by getting video from C-SPAN or the like of the speech he gave. Obviously Nixon was NOT president in 1968 and to prove the falsehoods underlying the core of Hanoi John's supposed beliefs undermines everything he has ever taken a posion on!

Somebody HELP Please!

43 posted on 08/07/2004 12:42:06 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: hansel

Al Hunt is way beyond liberal, and also a giant horses a$$.


44 posted on 08/07/2004 12:42:30 PM PDT by 2SterlingConservatives (Repeal the 17th.)
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To: hansel
Hmmm. Must be getting close to a sensitive spot.

Hey, Al Hunt, buzz off. Kerry's service record is just as legitimate an area of inquiry as is GWB's service record. Plus, Kerry's record "smells more fishy," if you get my drift. We see that YOU aren't interested in the truth.

45 posted on 08/07/2004 12:44:18 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: hansel

UGH!!! This continued spewing and spinning by the libs on this issue is INFURIATING!!!!!!

He's got it all backward (I'm not surprised). If Pres. Bush had made marital fidelity the central issue of his campaign, and Clinton found out he had been unfaithful, then Clinton would have had every right to raise the issue in response.

Kerry has made his "heroism" in Vietnam the central issue in his campaign, and the SBV's have every right to contest that issue. Kerry brought it up!!!!!

This is SO UNLIKE the dirty trick vis a vis W's DUI which was held and then released on the eve of the election in 2000.

The liberals (and some others) are absolutely in unison on this...dirty trick, dishonorable, not on Kerry's boat, etc.......They have their talking points firmly in place. It is going to take A LOT to overcome their continued mantra. We can't let up and let them win!


46 posted on 08/07/2004 12:45:04 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Catholics for Bush, Young Professionals for Bush, W Stands for Women)
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To: hansel
"These are some of the same people who surreptitiously smeared John McCain in the last election."

Al Hunt is on the Kerry Talking Point mailing list, and so is Donna Brazille. Yesterday on Crossfire, Brazille also accused the swiftboaters of being the same ones who went after John McCain in 2000. She said they went after Max Cleland too.

Karl Rove is the Kerry's incarnation of Hillary's VRWC.

47 posted on 08/07/2004 12:45:28 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@Chris Mathews Is A Total Jerk.com)
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To: dinok
If there ever was a Manchurian Candidate, it is McCain!

His poor taste in friends(Kerry) shows how ill equipped he is for higher office!

48 posted on 08/07/2004 12:45:29 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: hansel
Calling John Kerry's military service into question is beyond the pale

__________________

Sheeeese......where was the similar outrage when the Kerry people were questioning Bush's service to this country during the same period??? I seem to recall that Kerry took an active part in that outrage. Didn't hear any criticism from Hunt about that!

49 posted on 08/07/2004 12:45:33 PM PDT by daylate-dollarshort
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To: Tall_Texan
I don't expect the Swifties will fare any better setting the record straight about Kerry.

I disagree, mostly because the internet will be the difference in this election that it could not be in 1992. I do understand the source of your sentiments.

50 posted on 08/07/2004 12:45:34 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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