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International team to monitor presidential election
Cnn.com

Posted on 08/08/2004 6:36:51 PM PDT by repub32

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A team of international observers will monitor the presidential election in November, according to the U.S. State Department.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe was invited to monitor the election by the State Department. The observers will come from the OSCE's Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights.

It will be the first time such a team has been present for a U.S. presidential election.

"The U.S. is obliged to invite us, as all OSCE countries should," spokeswoman Urdur Gunnarsdottir said. "It's not legally binding, but it's a political commitment. They signed a document 10 years ago to ask OSCE to observe elections."

Thirteen Democratic members of the House of Representatives, raising the specter of possible civil rights violations that they said took place in Florida and elsewhere in the 2000 election, wrote to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan in July, asking him to send observers.

After Annan rejected their request, saying the administration must make the application, the Democrats asked Secretary of State Colin Powell to do so.

The issue was hotly debated in the House, and Republicans got an amendment to a foreign aid bill that barred federal funds from being used for the United Nations to monitor U.S. elections, The Associated Press reported.

In a letter dated July 30 and released last week, Assistant Secretary of State Paul Kelly told the Democrats about the invitation to OSCE, without mentioning the U.N. issue.

"I am pleased that Secretary Powell is as committed as I am to a fair and democratic process," said Democratic Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas, who spearheaded the effort to get U.N. observers.

"The presence of monitors will assure Americans that America cares about their votes and it cares about its standing in the world," she said in a news release.

Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee of California agreed.

"This represents a step in the right direction toward ensuring that this year's elections are fair and transparent," she said.

"I am pleased that the State Department responded by acting on this need for international monitors. We sincerely hope that the presence of the monitors will make certain that every person's voice is heard, every person's vote is counted."

OSCE, the world's largest regional security organization, will send a preliminary mission to Washington in September to assess the size, scope, logistics and cost of the mission, Gunnarsdottir said.

The organization, which counts among its missions conflict prevention and postconflict rehabilitation, will then determine how many observers are required and where in the United States they will be sent.

"OSCE-participating [nations] agreed in 1990 to observe elections in one another's countries. The OSCE routinely monitors elections within its 55-state membership, including Europe, Eurasia, Canada and the United States," a State Department spokesman said.

The spokesman said the United States does not have any details on the size and composition of the observers or what countries will provide them.

OSCE, based in Vienna, Austria, has sent more than 10,000 personnel to monitor more than 150 elections and referenda in more than 30 countries during the past decade, Gunnarsdottir said.

In November 2002, OSCE sent 10 observers on a weeklong mission to monitor the U.S. midterm elections. OSCE also sent observers to monitor the California gubernatorial recall election last year.

More recently, OSCE monitored the elections in Northern Ireland in November and in Spain in March.


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OK, I probably will not be able to sleep after reading this one folks. This is sick, just sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am outraged I dont even know how to explain what I feel about this, what is going on in this country?????????? Im real scared.........
1 posted on 08/08/2004 6:36:52 PM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32
So much for our sovereignty.
2 posted on 08/08/2004 6:38:30 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: repub32; Admin Moderator

Next time try searching. It has been posted @ least 5 times in the last two days. The other threads explain that is not anything to blow a gasket over unless you're a tin foil hat type.


3 posted on 08/08/2004 6:38:36 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: Howlin

I'm pinging you for a change.


4 posted on 08/08/2004 6:39:05 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: repub32

its a meaningless beauracratic function. there are other threads on it, what do you think they are going to do, start ripping up ballots? changing votes?


5 posted on 08/08/2004 6:39:46 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: COEXERJ145
It has been posted @ least 5 times in the last two days.

I just saw this on Drudge, and did a search. This thread was the only posting titled "International team to monitor presidential election."

6 posted on 08/08/2004 6:40:34 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: repub32

Did Ted Nugent write this?


7 posted on 08/08/2004 6:40:46 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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To: COEXERJ145

I don't like it but think this could be a good political move on the presidents part. The democrats really can't complain and will be forced to keep fraud in check on their end.


8 posted on 08/08/2004 6:41:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (John kerry the Jim Jones candidate.)
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To: repub32

Piss on em when they come here.


9 posted on 08/08/2004 6:41:44 PM PDT by kcar (www.TheUNsucks.com)
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To: oceanview

The simple fact that Americans would even consider this scares me that is the point I dont care about that they may not be relevant now but doy ou really think this will not lead to it becoming relevant one day as a ll other liberal social agenda's destroying this country gneration by generation.


10 posted on 08/08/2004 6:42:10 PM PDT by repub32
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To: isthisnickcool

BTTT!!!


11 posted on 08/08/2004 6:42:21 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: repub32
Hey it is the executive branch you know the president that brought these yahoo's in.

So maybe he really doesn't-want to be re elected?

12 posted on 08/08/2004 6:42:43 PM PDT by dts32041 (Why has John "Fning" Kerry accused me of being a War Criminal? Viet Nam APR 70- NOV 71)
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To: repub32

This is the first time in a long, long time, since right after Sept. 11th that reading a news story has gotten me sick to my stomach.

This is unbelievable, I'm in shock actually.


13 posted on 08/08/2004 6:43:14 PM PDT by SirAllen (Liberalism*2 = Communism)
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To: oceanview
Yup, after all it is just another step for creeping dictator ship of the UN.
14 posted on 08/08/2004 6:43:27 PM PDT by dts32041 (Why has John "Fning" Kerry accused me of being a War Criminal? Viet Nam APR 70- NOV 71)
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To: reformed_democrat
Only three have survived.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1187060/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1187019/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1186831/posts

15 posted on 08/08/2004 6:43:43 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: repub32; Howlin; Dog; OXENinFLA

Who the heck are these people???


16 posted on 08/08/2004 6:43:57 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: dts32041
Yup, after all it is just another step for creeping dictator ship of the UN.

Of course this has nothing to do with the U.N. but why let details get in the way.

17 posted on 08/08/2004 6:44:26 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: Mo1

http://www.osce.org/


18 posted on 08/08/2004 6:45:57 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: oceanview
what do you think they are going to do, start ripping up ballots? changing votes?

Well, for starters, how about giving the democrats an opening to sue the U.S. in the World Court? Giving the talking heads more to bemoan about the Repubican police state? I'm old enough to remember the Watts' riots, and was living in California during the Rodney King debacle. Any excuse for anarchy will suit them.

These people have a vested interest in getting Kerry elected. I doubt they're planning to come here to sight-see and shop.

19 posted on 08/08/2004 6:46:07 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: oceanview

first time in the history of this country that any president "invited" a foreign entity to meddle in our affairs...


20 posted on 08/08/2004 6:46:08 PM PDT by Jasper Willowtree
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To: Mo1
I heard about this the other day.

It sounded to me like this is due the that pack of dimwits asking the UN to watch over the elections.
21 posted on 08/08/2004 6:47:00 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: All
Looks like this thread has all the knee-jerk reactionaries in it...
22 posted on 08/08/2004 6:47:06 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: repub32
LOL! Any monitoring of our elections and counting process will only hurt democrats. They apparently have no clue as to how their own party manufactures votes.

Bring them on!

23 posted on 08/08/2004 6:47:21 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: COEXERJ145

Yeah, thats right. The water in the pot is only luke warm right now. Keep swimming little frog.


24 posted on 08/08/2004 6:47:49 PM PDT by TheExperiment_Is_Over
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To: repub32
I probably will not be able to sleep after reading this one folks.

Aw hell... just go to sleep thinking about a giant rabbit gnawing on Jimmuh.

25 posted on 08/08/2004 6:48:04 PM PDT by glock rocks (WHat are you? omnipivoyant or sumthin?)
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To: TheExperiment_Is_Over

At least I don't wear a tin foil body suit like some idiots around here do 24/7.


26 posted on 08/08/2004 6:48:52 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: reformed_democrat

let them - suing the US in the World Court to install Kerry as President, isn't going to help the Democrats politically.


27 posted on 08/08/2004 6:50:26 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: COEXERJ145

Blinders are even worse.


28 posted on 08/08/2004 6:51:11 PM PDT by TheExperiment_Is_Over
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To: cripplecreek

Keep Fraud in check HAHAHAHA or use this to commit more Fraud with the leftist scum around the worlds help. This will never be a good thing and will be real scary and a push as usual to change this countries Strength in the world. One liberal scumbag in the whitehouse like Kerry and he will embrace this and build on it.


29 posted on 08/08/2004 6:51:59 PM PDT by repub32
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To: oceanview
Being sued in the World Court is the least of our worries. My concern is that this will be used as an opening for riots.

If we post a U.S. Marshal along side each OSCE monitor, I'll feel much better about this.

30 posted on 08/08/2004 6:54:10 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: repub32

Are they going to monitor the streets, to make sure nobody is out hoarding people without a clue onto buses and buying them off with cash or smokes? I consider that fraudulent. Are they going to make sure no dead people vote?


31 posted on 08/08/2004 6:55:40 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: COEXERJ145
The other threads explain that is not anything to blow a gasket over unless you're a tin foil hat type.

How about if we just get more than a little annoyed at the symbolism of this -- especially in light of the dems who tried to get the UN to monitor our elections?

32 posted on 08/08/2004 6:55:59 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Which FReeper likes to threaten to beat up women?)
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To: reformed_democrat
Well, for starters, how about giving the democrats an opening to sue the U.S. in the World Court?

IF that happen?? ... then you can say good bye to the Dem Party .. because American's will freak out on them

33 posted on 08/08/2004 6:57:15 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: reformed_democrat
This thread was the only posting titled "International team to monitor presidential election."

Never search for a complete title, since the same article will often be printed in many different publications, some of which will change the title to suit their preference or space limitations.

Instead, search (separately) for a few of the key words, in this case "election" would have turned up all the variations, and "monitor" or "international" would have turned up most of them.

34 posted on 08/08/2004 6:59:28 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: reformed_democrat

riots by whom? the Dems already have plenty of constituencies that they could call to riot after a Kerry loss, they don't need the UN for that.


35 posted on 08/08/2004 6:59:28 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Howlin
Having the Dem put our elections in the same category as Afghan is outrageous
36 posted on 08/08/2004 7:04:08 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: oceanview
They tried that with the Gore lose, remember? They couldn't gin up enough excitement to motivate their loonies.

This is a new tactic for them (publicly calling in the socialists, I mean), and I'm not sure if it will work. They managed to pull off some pretty destructive demonstrations in Seattle, though.

37 posted on 08/08/2004 7:04:45 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: Ichneumon
Never search for a complete title, since the same article will often be printed in many different publications

Thanks. I don't post often, and wasn't aware that this would have been a better way to search.

38 posted on 08/08/2004 7:06:02 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: COEXERJ145
sets a terrible precedent not only in the area of elections, but in the future world monitoring bodies could be invited in to monitor the environment, prisons, immigration procedures etc...
39 posted on 08/08/2004 7:06:42 PM PDT by Jasper Willowtree
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To: reformed_democrat

you are going to see some stuff in NYC for the convention too.


40 posted on 08/08/2004 7:07:05 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: COEXERJ145
LOL... That is a good one my friend.

We have few people here on FR who believe in the "black Helicopter theory". They make between 10% to 15% of the total people on FR, but unfortunately they are very loud, very noisy, and very annoying.

They did not vote President Bush in 2000 and they will not vote for him in 2004. They vote for some bitter losers like Pat Buchanan, some libertarian candidate or some Constitution party candidate.

They try to demoralize the vast majority of us by attacking the President at every opportunity or by posting gloom and doom scenarios (polls in particular). However we are much smarter than them, much more informed, and much more logical to fall to their stupid game.

41 posted on 08/08/2004 7:09:02 PM PDT by jveritas
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To: Mo1
you can say good bye to the Dem Party .. because American's will freak out on them

From your mouth to God's Ear.

Americans tend to look the other way when democrats and children act up. I'm not sure what the loons could do that would cause normal people to finally say, "OK. That's IT. You're Grounded!"

42 posted on 08/08/2004 7:09:53 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: NYC GOP Chick

dems came up with this nutty scheme but if i'm reading this right isn't the administrations state dept extending the invitation...


43 posted on 08/08/2004 7:14:21 PM PDT by Jasper Willowtree
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To: oceanview
you are going to see some stuff in NYC for the convention too

I don't think the NYC merchants will be as "tolerant" as the Seattle bunch, though.

At least, I hope not.

44 posted on 08/08/2004 7:15:34 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: Jasper Willowtree
Yes, it appears that our treason-committing Statist Department has, indeed, done just that.

From the start, it bothered me that Powell wouldn't get rid of the Clintonian leftovers, and I don't mean the unfireable civil service hires, but the political appointees. They're going to be the end of us.
45 posted on 08/08/2004 7:16:23 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Which FReeper likes to threaten to beat up women?)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

shocked to find out the osce was here in 02...if true, was powell responsible for allowing them in then as now...it would surprise me if powell was acting unilaterally...he wouln't do this without bush's approval...


46 posted on 08/08/2004 7:20:28 PM PDT by Jasper Willowtree
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To: cripplecreek
I don't like it but think this could be a good political move on the presidents part. The democrats really can't complain and will be forced to keep fraud in check on their end

LOL! Do you honestly believe that a bunch of leftist monitors (and that is what they will be, I can assure you) are going to find any fault with anything a Democrat voter does? This is a brilliant move, just as the signing of CFR into law was, so that the courts would take care of it- they took care of things, alright, like our free speech.

47 posted on 08/08/2004 7:29:59 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (The U.S. Senate- where our freedoms go to die.)
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To: jveritas
We have few people here on FR who believe in the "black Helicopter theory". They make between 10% to 15% of the total people on FR, but unfortunately they are very loud, very noisy, and very annoying.

Yeah, I've noticed. They see everything as part of the "New World Order" conspiracy.

48 posted on 08/08/2004 7:33:40 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: COEXERJ145
Of course this has nothing to do with the U.N. but why let details get in the way.

The OSCE has "partnered" with the UN on several items, so it is not right to say that this has nothing to do with the UN. All you have to do is look at this org's web site.

49 posted on 08/08/2004 7:34:16 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (The U.S. Senate- where our freedoms go to die.)
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To: reformed_democrat
They were here in 2002. We won huge and fraud was down. They were here for the CA recall: we won that one and it wasn't close and no complaints of fraud that I recall (not being in CA).

They are escorted. They do not interfere. They observe. They answer questions formally when they return to their countries. We send observers to their elections.

It is because we are sovereign that we can invite guests. Our elections are transparent. This is only proof of our strength and sovereignty.

One of the missions of this group is free and fair elections. They observe in major democracies so they have a benchmark for the 3rd world elections they observe. You see the reports all the time: elections in such-&-such 3rd world basket case were flawed/fraudulent/problematic. These are the people who then try and suggest changes to make the elections less prone to fraud.

Not that we are depending on this too-small group to ensure fairness. We will have poll watchers in every precinct. If you want to volunteer, make plans to be off work Election Day and take the training from the campaign beforehand. There will be attorneys available in every state for any major problem.

And while, like all international NGOs, they have an affiliation w/the UN, they are not *the UN*. I do not think there is one member from a non-democratic state. They are our major trading partners in Europe.
50 posted on 08/08/2004 7:35:50 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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