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The trouble with talk radio
Mises.org ^ | August 9, 2004 | Christopher Westley

Posted on 08/09/2004 12:59:36 AM PDT by GeronL

A recent article of mine on a public sector scandal, this one in Milwaukee, brought several e-mails from friends and strangers telling me that it was read and discussed on WTMJ-AM in that city by its weekday morning host, Charles Sykes. WTMJ is Milwaukee’s highest rated talk station, and while I appreciated the plug, I was not sure if that is the sort of station that friends of liberty need to be associated with.

That’s because that station, like so many across the U.S., have adopted the pro-war, pro-Bush nationalist format that dominates AM radio today, robbing it of much of the diversity that once characterized it. It is a marketing model that appeases small government conservatives (who have always favored radio) by telling them that big government really isn’t all that bad—as long as the right guys can control it.

It is a successful marketing model too. While it may be easy for classical liberals to get discouraged by the popularity of the "jaw-jaw, war-war" format, we must recognize that its ubiquity suggests the popularity of our ideas among the mainstream. Without talk radio keeping the focus of much of the population on Iraq (and away from the expansionary domestic agenda of the last four years), small government conservatives would revolt against George W. Bush as the reincarnation of LBJ.[1]

I distinctly remember listening to the Sykes show in my car during a recent trip to Southeast Wisconsin. He played Mel Gibson’s stirring speech on freedom from the movie "Braveheart"[2], followed it with a speech excerpt from Bush (equating the two), and then played that most famous line of the summer of 1969: "The Eagle has landed."

It sounded like propaganda you’d hear in the former Soviet Union...... [snip]

(Excerpt) Read more at mises.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: charliesykes; lewrockwell; mises; stupidity
They need to stick to free market economics. Its the only time they make sense.
1 posted on 08/09/2004 12:59:36 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
Ludwig Von Mises:

WTF?!

2 posted on 08/09/2004 1:00:26 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("K-Billy's 'Super Hits of the 70s Weekend' just keeps on truckin'!")
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

Exactly. I am glad they believe in economic freedom, but when it comes to anything else they are wacked out.


3 posted on 08/09/2004 1:01:34 AM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: GeronL

The real trouble with talk radio is the leftist propaganda at the top of every hour. On the two stations I mostly listen to, it comes from CNN and ABC.


4 posted on 08/09/2004 1:06:00 AM PDT by Tom_Busch (Vote Bush/Cheney in 2004)
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To: GeronL
They need to stick to free market economics.

It seems they haven't figured out it applies to radio too.

5 posted on 08/09/2004 1:18:02 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin; The Scourge of Yazid

If we could wrap up Ludwig Von Mises and surround him with magnets, his spinning would power a major city.


6 posted on 08/09/2004 1:19:36 AM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: GeronL

This sounds more like an editorial than "news".


7 posted on 08/09/2004 1:20:32 AM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: GeronL; Mises
True.

But how neat a trick would that be?

8 posted on 08/09/2004 1:21:35 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("K-Billy's 'Super Hits of the 70s Weekend' just keeps on truckin'!")
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To: weegee

The "news" is an attack on talk radio. =o)


9 posted on 08/09/2004 1:21:35 AM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: GeronL
I read your article. No wonder Talk Radio picked your logic. It was so nonsensical that an amateur could see the fallacies in your logic. You and Michael Moore come from the same school of illogical logic.
10 posted on 08/09/2004 1:24:02 AM PDT by TwoDogs
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To: Tom_Busch
Ha. A conservative manager (Dan Patrick) dropped ABC News over something (he had ABC for awhile so he could get Paul Harvey). He switched to SeeBS News for the hourly updates and soon regretted his decision.

When Clear Channel canned him (and said to the new boss, no God talk and no discussion of pending legislation), he formed a new station and went with the USA Network (whatever this is). He has had Alan Colmes on at night so he could get live Fox broadcast during the Iraq war but has grown tired of Colmes liberal bias.

There aren't a whole lot of places to turn (even the boss at Fox's parent company News Corp endorsed Kerry).

11 posted on 08/09/2004 1:24:51 AM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: TwoDogs
????

I am NOT Christopher Westley

12 posted on 08/09/2004 1:25:49 AM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: weegee

660Am here carries SRN News. Pretty fair and balanced. Does not drive me nuts.


13 posted on 08/09/2004 1:26:58 AM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: weegee
Paul Harvey:

AND THAAAAT's...the rest of the story.

14 posted on 08/09/2004 1:28:33 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("K-Billy's 'Super Hits of the 70s Weekend' just keeps on truckin'!")
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To: GeronL

AIn 't that the truth...analysis is leading them to paralysis...geez


15 posted on 08/09/2004 1:29:41 AM PDT by jnarcus
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To: GeronL
Oooooh. The professor understands the world's complex issues so well, but the benighted talk radio listeners only get the Cliff Notes version of life.

The problem with Professor Dolt is that he is 180 degrees out of phase with reality. It is the mainstream media that offers Cliff Notes, in the form of 10 second sound bites on 3-minute news broadcasts. Talk radio, with hours of time to fill, is the medium that gives the people real information, and lots of it.

It is a medium that leftists have tried but failed to break into, because they trouble explaining their positions in detail, and don't interact well with the general public.
16 posted on 08/09/2004 1:30:20 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber

They don't get along well with others. They can't go into detail because they have none and know none.


17 posted on 08/09/2004 1:33:35 AM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: jnarcus

YUP. they should stick to economics


18 posted on 08/09/2004 1:34:05 AM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: weegee; All
His e-mail is cawestley@email.msn.com
19 posted on 08/09/2004 1:35:48 AM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: weegee

On the station that I listen to Rush on, they are not a conservative station, so the fact that they play ABC news is no surprise. But on the station that is like 90% conservative, Hannity, Ingraham, Beck, Savage, etc., they have CNN news, and I have no idea why.


20 posted on 08/09/2004 1:54:27 AM PDT by Tom_Busch (Vote Bush/Cheney in 2004)
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To: Tom_Busch
The real trouble with talk radio is the leftist propaganda at the top of every hour.
Even on FR few understand the economics and politics of journalism - and how inimicable "objectivity" is to actual perspective.
Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate

21 posted on 08/09/2004 1:56:51 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (To claim objectivity is to claim wisdom - and to reject the idea of rational debate.)
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To: GeronL
From the article:

Such exchanges describe talk radio today, where statolatry is much of what is promoted on the federally-regulated AM dials in the United States. This is especially true on the Clear Channel stations that donate so heavily to the federal overseers who regulate them.

Such interdependence between the media and the State is creepy, to say the least. Large, centralized nation-states, the emergence of which contributed greatly to the bloodiness of the 20th century, are bolstered when "public servants" influence what voters access in the media (such as the U.S. government’s recent attempt to suppress Michael Moore’s "Fahrenheit 9/11"). There can be no better argument against federal control of information sources, the practice of which is antithetical to limited government. Any attempt to control any information source by an elected official should be an impeachable offense.

What a misguided child of government largesse. What's up with his "federal regulation" of the AM dial remarks? He doesn't want free-market forces to determine content--the government should?

He goes on to say that there should be less federal intervention RE: enforcing the CFR where Fictitious911 is concerned. He's a smaller-government liberal? My head spins.

And Charlie Sykes rocks. And he is straightforward about federal government spending, IMO. And he can discuss this j@ck@ss and his government-funded diatribes all he wants. Apparently the guy doesn't want anyone outside the choir to discuss what he has to say.

22 posted on 08/09/2004 2:02:07 AM PDT by Watery Tart (….and a hamster in every pot.)
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To: GeronL
In a better world the election would be between a Republican and a Libertarian, even between two Libertarians.

In this one Kerry is running neck-and-neck with Bush. In that scenario we elect a Libertarian exactly how?

23 posted on 08/09/2004 2:03:12 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (To claim objectivity is to claim wisdom - and to reject the idea of rational debate.)
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To: GeronL

It's doubtful Sykes has taken any position on anything as part of any "formula".

http://www.theadvocates.org/celebrities/charles-sykes.html

WISN is the Clear Channel station in Milwaukee. WTMJ is owned by Journal Broadcast Group, a local media company & I believe the station is 2nd in the market, not first.

Finally, gimme a break. Conservatives do not think in lock step about everything, in case you haven't been paying attention around here. I'm sure the author would have been much happier to listen to the anti-war, anti-Bush yack over at NPR, another station in the same market, though it's on over at the FM band.


24 posted on 08/09/2004 2:12:07 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Watery Tart
This guy has legitimate points. But in the actual context of our politics we are lucky to keep in office someone who in a better world we would think was too statist to be considered.

The writer is making better the enemy of good enough. Bush is good enough, if the alternative is "the only war hero in America." And that is faint praise.

But Bush did sign CFR, and CFR is an abortion. But then, so is the FCC, and even most Freepers don't appreciate the implications of that.

25 posted on 08/09/2004 2:14:54 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (To claim objectivity is to claim wisdom - and to reject the idea of rational debate.)
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To: weegee

If that's something that will cause Clear Channel to can an employee, Belling & Glenn Beck should have been gone a long time ago.


26 posted on 08/09/2004 2:20:22 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Watery Tart

And in the name of "diversity", no less. Shades of the fairness doctrine in all it's glory.


27 posted on 08/09/2004 2:23:52 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Watery Tart
This is especially true on the Clear Channel stations that donate so heavily to the federal overseers who regulate them.

As if further proof was need that these guys are morons, this line presents it.

Clear Channel donates to politicians. The federal regulatory overseers are men like Michael Powell, who are not politicians and don't receive donations.

There is simply no connection at all.

28 posted on 08/09/2004 4:33:05 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Tom_Busch

I don't know about you, but once I hear the intro's to ABC or CBS News, CLICK! One must watch his blood pressure, you know.


29 posted on 08/09/2004 4:33:23 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: GeronL

They don't even make sense then. Half the crap they preach breaks down in the presence of non-zero growth.

30 posted on 08/09/2004 4:37:02 AM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Cut him some slack. He apparently has never had a real job in the real world.

</sarcasm!>


31 posted on 08/09/2004 4:53:43 AM PDT by Watery Tart (….and a hamster in every pot.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
There is simply no connection at all.

The politicians don't appoint the overseers? When did this change happen?

32 posted on 08/09/2004 8:48:27 AM PDT by inquest (Judges are given the power to decide cases, not to decide law)
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To: GeronL
I've about had it with the LVMI. I've been a member for several years and I am not going to renew.

Get rid of Screwey Lewey Rockwell and I will reconsider.

33 posted on 08/09/2004 8:52:53 AM PDT by Undertow ("I have found some kind of temporary sanity...")
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To: GeronL

This guy completely avoids the fact that the US "State" runs the US military. The only effective police force on the planet. Talking about groups of men vs groups of other men is the reduction of complexity to absurdity. The US controls the sea, air and space. These responsibilities must be taken seriously by the US citizenry. Invoking heroism is not always propaganda. People want to have heroic lives eg sports popularity.


34 posted on 08/09/2004 8:52:53 AM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: GeronL

eh hehehehe...

he hasn't gone all this time thinking all the articles posted were by the authors, has he?


35 posted on 08/09/2004 9:18:19 AM PDT by kenth
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To: GeronL

This guy is a maroon.

WTMJ isn't owned by big bad right wing clear channel. They're earned by left wing journal communications. They run conservative hosts because they draw the listeners. They've tried liberal hosts before - those guys drove away listeners.

As for the sound clips - sykes plays them after almost every newsbreak. It's great to be able to hear reagans 'government is the problem' clip regularly. It puts you back into the mood of the program that he wants to set.

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. The only one being 'rah rah' is him. Charlie sykes would eat him up in a debate. Sykes thinks things through - apparently this guy just sees something and reacts in his pre-determined way.


36 posted on 08/09/2004 9:33:13 AM PDT by flashbunny (Click on my name to see a nifty John Kerry bumper sticker!!! I dare you!!!)
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To: flashbunny

It shouldn't have been at Mises, thats supposed to be where the economics articles are posted. They actually make sense on that, I never go over to LewdRockwell.


37 posted on 08/09/2004 9:23:26 PM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: kenth

uh huh. We are all left-wing writers and reporters who bash each other for our liberal bias.


38 posted on 08/09/2004 9:24:05 PM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: JmyBryan

This guy even thinks the military should be privatized.


39 posted on 08/09/2004 9:24:48 PM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: Undertow

It needs a new leader. One that will keep the line drawn between the economic articles at mises.org and the garbage over at lewdrockwell


40 posted on 08/09/2004 9:25:56 PM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: BigBobber

The say law professors are refugees from reality.

I imagine regular professors are much the same.

I have only seen one person with an ecconomics degre get it right. He was from eureka college and his name was Ronald Reagan.


41 posted on 08/09/2004 9:31:36 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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