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Boy Scouts: Legal bigots?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Monday, August 9, 2004 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 08/09/2004 3:42:06 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Boy Scouts: Legal bigots?


Posted: August 9, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

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By Hans Zeiger


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

One must truly be vile to be legally classified as a bigot. Bigot is the label that may soon be branded by the American Bar Association upon individuals who volunteer with the Boy Scouts of America. And under a newly proposed ABA conduct rule, America's judges would be prohibited from associating with the Boy Scouts.

When the 400,000-member American Bar Association passes judicial ethics rules, state and federal courts generally adopt and abide by those rules. The latest rule proposal would force judges to end any current involvement they have with organizations that exclude homosexuals, just as judges are not allowed to be a part of the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazi groups or other racist organizations. An ethics panel is discussing the new rule and it could be approved next year.

The leader of the ABA legal ethics panel is attorney Mark Harrison of Phoenix who explained that the goal of the anti-Boy Scouts proposal is to "make sure that judges aren't viewed as bigots."

Seeing that Mr. Harrison is a member of the board of trustees for Planned Parenthood, it is reasonable to ask whether the ABA should also ban advocates of abortion and murder from the nation's courts. Surely members of Planned Parenthood are bigots too, against the unborn.

The ABA proposal follows on a California Supreme Court decision last year that judges who volunteer with the Scouts must either disclose their involvement with Scouting or exempt themselves from any case that involves homosexual discrimination. Reacting to motions by the San Francisco, San Jose and Los Angeles Bar Associations, the California high court essentially said: "If a judge happens to be a scoutmaster in the local Boy Scout troop, he is a fundamentalist, intolerant, homophobic bigot and should make that known to the community or be ineligible to decide in cases involving alternative lifestyles."

Making one's association with Scouting known to the public should not be reason for political and cultural stigma, it should be just another reason to re-elect a judge or commend him for his involvement in the community.

But the new American Bar Association ethics proposal goes beyond simply stigmatizing judges involved with the Scouts – the proposal would actually prohibit judges from any kind of association whatsoever with organizations that oppose homosexuality.

A so-called ethics expert who ended up in the ABA discussion is Stephen Gillers of New York University. Homosexuals, said Gillers, "should not be asked to trust the fairness of a judge" who holds membership in a discriminatory organization.

Of course, the Boy Scouts are not the only organization that prohibits homosexual members – many veteran groups, for example, also exclude homosexuals. Certainly, most churches and all Bible-believing churches are strictly opposed to homosexuality. Under the proposed ABA rules, judges could potentially be put in a position of having to choose between the bench and the Bible.

In fact, a judge who serves part time in the military Reserves or National Guard could be disqualified from his judgeship under the proposed rule, simply because open homosexuals are not allowed to serve in the Armed Forces.

Under the proposed rule, would the sons of judges also be prohibited from joining the Boy Scouts since the judge himself would still pay dues and drive his sons to and from meetings, at the least? How far would this rule go?

Judge Frederic Smallkin, a professor of law at the University of Maryland told the Associated Press of his disagreements with the proposed ethics rule. "Judges are human beings too," said Smallkin. "They should be allowed to exercise their First Amendment rights of free association."

Isn't it interesting that for all the talk of the First Amendment by the leftist establishment in the legal community, there is such disregard for the First Amendment when it comes to protecting the rights of the Boy Scouts and those involved with the Scouts? For years, the American Civil Liberties Union has led the war on the Boy Scouts of America in our nation's courts. Now, the American Bar Association is discussing changing the very ground-rules on which business is conducted in the courtroom, in order to further denigrate America's finest youth organization and its members.

This is a battle we cannot afford to ignore. The honor and character of our nation is at stake. Let's e-mail the American Bar Association and tell them that their politically correct ethics rule proposal is unjust and dangerous.




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1 posted on 08/09/2004 3:42:06 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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American Bar Association - Legal Bigots!


2 posted on 08/09/2004 3:45:25 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: JohnHuang2

Emailed!


3 posted on 08/09/2004 3:52:01 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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In the campaign against the Boy Scouts, the sodomites are refining pressure tactics that they intend to use to purge Bible believing Christians from American public life.


4 posted on 08/09/2004 3:53:14 AM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham
In the campaign against the Boy Scouts, the sodomites are refining pressure tactics that they intend to use to purge Bible believing Christians from American public life.

I would think that the bar assn and the judges would understand the need to abide by a US Supreme Court Decision. Are they going behind the supreme's back with this? Would they be happier with higher levels of sex abuse in the Scouts? (Yes) Would they prefer to see the BSA disolve because parents keep their kids out because they can't have a say in who the leadership is? (Yes) Why do these organizations care about the BSA? (Because the BSA is standing in the path of their agenda.) Keep it up BSA.

5 posted on 08/09/2004 6:04:16 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Can someone get a copy of the proposal and the odds of it passing? Weirdos propose things all the time which have no chance of passing.


6 posted on 08/09/2004 6:30:41 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: JohnHuang2

Boy Scout Ping


7 posted on 08/09/2004 6:49:59 AM PDT by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: SandRat

oops sorry, let me try that again...

Boy Scout Ping


8 posted on 08/09/2004 6:52:05 AM PDT by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: JohnHuang2

Freedom of association is a crucial freedom.


9 posted on 08/09/2004 6:54:05 AM PDT by Dante3
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"But the new American Bar Association ethics proposal goes beyond simply stigmatizing judges involved with the Scouts – the proposal would actually prohibit judges from any kind of association whatsoever with organizations that oppose homosexuality."

So, a Southern Baptist judge or lawyer who attends a church that "opposes homosexuality" is already condemned for their association. The ABA is on the right path to destroy itself, and justice will be served when it happens.

10 posted on 08/09/2004 7:00:31 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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The ABA model rules are just that.

They are then sent to the states to be adopted.

If there are scout advocates IN FL PLEASE contact the FLorida bar and let them know.

The ABA is an all voluntary organization but they have far disproportionate influence on politics. The majority of lawyers are NOT members of the ABA.

A vast majority of ABA members are liberals and outright commies.


11 posted on 08/09/2004 7:46:10 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: JohnHuang2

Someone tell me again that there is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda?"


12 posted on 08/09/2004 7:48:43 AM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: Mercat

These model or proposed for the real world rules will pass. The ABA is NOT mandatory but they have a heavy influence with their model rules.

For example, their model divorce rules which had been configured for homosexual marriage were the cornerstone of the homosexual marriage opinion.

The ABA is heavily homosexual infested. Essentially lamda legal writes all their homo opinions.


13 posted on 08/09/2004 7:48:56 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory
The ABA model rules are just that.

They are then sent to the states to be adopted.

Exactly. State bars tend to be pretty sane and conservative, even in places like CA and NY.

The ABA does not speak for the majority of lawyers.

14 posted on 08/09/2004 7:50:45 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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To: jimtorr

A.B.A. and "ethics" in the same statement? Surely a typo...


15 posted on 08/09/2004 7:59:32 AM PDT by Dawgmeister
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To: JohnHuang2
This article has been posted to DoctorZin’s New News Blog!


16 posted on 08/09/2004 8:19:52 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Da Jerdge; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...

17 posted on 08/09/2004 11:16:57 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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We need to stand firm on this issue.
If a judge (person) happens to be a scoutmaster in the local Boy Scout troop, he is a fundamentalist, intolerant, homophobic bigot. I am there.

I am the Democratic party's worst nightmare. I am a BSA leader, am prior military, a homeschooler, Bible-thumping Christian women that belives in the Constitution as it was written.


18 posted on 08/09/2004 12:08:21 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Another military family for Bush)
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To: SandRat
Thanks for the ping.

Under the proposed ABA rules, judges could potentially be put in a position of having to choose between the bench and the Bible.

My God, what are we coming to in America? Shocking.

19 posted on 08/09/2004 12:12:00 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind ("I will never relent in bringing justice to our enemies..." - President Bush)
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To: GreatOne

This sounds like something you'd be interested in.


20 posted on 08/09/2004 12:12:51 PM PDT by LanPB01
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