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2 Air Marshals Removed From Cleveland Flight (They were violating DRESS CODE!)
Newsnet5 (Cleveland) ^ | August 9, 2004

Posted on 08/09/2004 12:11:25 PM PDT by E Rocc

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To: kms61
Never underestimate the stupidity of a bureacracy. My hunch is that this story is real

Ehhh, nuts.

You may be right.

41 posted on 08/09/2004 1:09:04 PM PDT by gdani
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To: bondjamesbond
If he can be trusted to know when to shoot in a pressurized aircraft,

Your screen name notwithstanding, the depressurization scene in Goldfinger was fiction.

It was also inaccurate.

Modern airliners can lose as many as four windows and keep flying relatively normally.

42 posted on 08/09/2004 1:11:43 PM PDT by George Smiley
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To: E Rocc

OK, you can gripe about it or you can help. Travel in a business suit and be part of the solution.


43 posted on 08/09/2004 1:24:17 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: E Rocc

Can a country with a govt. this stupid survive?


44 posted on 08/09/2004 1:29:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

I'm with #43 - if everyone else started dressing UP, perhaps this might be much more helpful - I know that suits are uncomfortable, but not as much as being dead from a terrorist attack! Make it "an adventure in clothing statements" "BE ALL DRESSED UP AS YOU CAN BE" (new FR slogan as opposed to the old military slogan)


45 posted on 08/09/2004 1:38:01 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: George Smiley
Your screen name notwithstanding, the depressurization scene in Goldfinger was fiction.

OK, substitute a crowded aircraft.

It's safe for Air Marshals to fire on aircraft because they use those Glock 9mm pea-shooters, not a massively powerful handgun like my Walther PPK (snicker)...

46 posted on 08/09/2004 1:40:10 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (We live in a wonderful country where any child can grow up to be the next Ronald Reagan.)
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To: E Rocc
"The current policy was put in place in 2002 by the Federal Air Marshal Service, a branch of the Department of Homeland Security."

So which is it? Ordinary bureaucratic stupidity, or have they hired a terrorist to write policy for the Air Marshal Service? What it isn't, is surprising. Put a government bureaucrat in charge of anything and it will be done in the most incompetent, hair brained manner possible.
47 posted on 08/09/2004 2:30:35 PM PDT by monday
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To: gdani

"Even I have a hard time believing that our massive, bloated bureaucracy could be this stupid."

Really? Come on... It's easier to believe that, then believe they might be smart enough to put out disinformation.


48 posted on 08/09/2004 2:35:18 PM PDT by monday
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To: pfflier

"OK, you can gripe about it or you can help. Travel in a business suit and be part of the solution."

No thanks. Give me a gun so I can defend myself and I'll think about it, but making myself a target because some idiot in the Air Marshals service likes suits is a stupid idea.


49 posted on 08/09/2004 2:42:01 PM PDT by monday
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To: pfflier
OK, you can gripe about it or you can help. Travel in a business suit and be part of the solution.

No. "Human Shield" is always a dumb career move.

50 posted on 08/09/2004 3:40:32 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: E Rocc

I don't care if the air marshals board the plane in hawaiian shirts and flip flops, as long as they're packing.


51 posted on 08/09/2004 3:43:07 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Oztrich Boy
No. "Human Shield" is always a dumb career move

Does that mean Michael Moore was correct when he said flight 93 went down because white guys wouldn't fight? (He went on to say that blak people would have beaten up the skinny hijackers).

52 posted on 08/09/2004 4:05:55 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: E Rocc

"Federal officials vigorously defend the dress code and say the complaining marshals are exaggerating the issue."

Once again..stupidity is the rule not the exception in our government. Just how do these idiots get elevated to positions where they can make decisions affecting public safety. We are doomed with the current lot in the Federal Government. The status quo has to be replaced.

To Federal Officials: The marshall's are right!!!


53 posted on 08/09/2004 4:12:04 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: E Rocc

BTTT


54 posted on 08/09/2004 4:13:07 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: E Rocc
This article has been posted to DoctorZin’s New News Blog!


55 posted on 08/09/2004 4:39:38 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: princess leah

Americans have a constitutional RIGHT to dress badly. Everyone knows that.

IMO, there is no excuse for showing up for a flight looking (and smelling) like you just took a break from cleaning out the garage or mowing the lawn. Once a few years ago while waiting to check in for a five hour flight, the fellow in front of me was informed "Sir, you can't fly in First Class dressed like that." The man, who looked to be in his mid thirties, was wearing what appeared to be his high school football practice jersey, one of those see-through mesh affairs with large numbers on it, baggy, knee length basketball shorts and rubber slippers, topped off with an adjustable mesh back baseball cap, then proceeded to explain how important he was (Vice president of some company or other)and how he was entitled to dress however he pleased. "Not in the First Class cabin sir." Bravo! I say. unforthunately, I don't believe they still enforce that policy.

Requiring business suits may be going overboard but there should be some limits. Personally, I prefer to travel (And I travel a lot. On the order of 50K to 100K miles per year) dressed in slacks or chinos, sport shirt and sport coat. I wear the jacket because You never know what the weather will be like at your destination and you never know when your flight to Honolulu will be grounded in Chicago for 48 hours or more while your luggage goes on ahead. I have learned from experience that I get more cooperation, and far better service when I am well dressed than when I wear jeans and sneakers.


56 posted on 08/09/2004 4:55:20 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: pfflier
"Human Shield" is always a dumb career move

Does that mean Michael Moore was correct when he said flight 93 went down because white guys wouldn't fight?

Not going to bother explaining the difference between "fighting back" and "offering to be killed to demonstrate political conviction" to you.

57 posted on 08/09/2004 5:39:53 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: E Rocc
"It's a joke," one air marshal, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Plain Dealer.

Anonymous sources throughout this whole story. It just doesn't ring true.... it rings like someone trying to make this administration and it's security attempts look silly. And, unfortunately many here are all too eager to jump on the bandwagon. I am not buying the dress code story until someone on the record reports it.

58 posted on 08/09/2004 5:43:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: Asclepius; Petronski
I was on a USair flight from Pittsburgh to Seattle where the massively obese Air Marshal wore only a pair of fish-net speedos and a sailor hat. He had his shield pinned through his right nipple and he would squint at you peevishly over the top of his circa '70s Rayban sunglasses. Everyone moved smartly and cautiously about the cabin, believe me.

I made it work...didn't I? Petronski was the skinny guy.

At least I was able to take the latex appliances off....

Petronski couldn't....that's why he's always cranky.

59 posted on 08/09/2004 5:51:41 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Simple physics: Heat sand hot enough...it becomes Glass!)
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To: pfflier
OK, you can gripe about it or you can help. Travel in a business suit and be part of the solution.
Naw, in the increasingly rare case that I need a business suit during business travel (I'm in manufacturing), I'll keep it in the trunk and drive wearing something more suitable. >:)

-Eric

60 posted on 08/09/2004 7:12:55 PM PDT by E Rocc (The toothless termite walked into the tavern and asked "Hey! Where's the bar tender?")
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