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Obama holds 'slaveholder's' view, Keyes says
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 8/9/04 | MIKE ROBINSON/AP

Posted on 08/09/2004 6:31:20 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: evad
oops..I hear a dissent?

Yeah. I found Dr. Keyes's excuse for doing what he criticized Hillary Clinton for back in 2000 to be very lame. Obama isn't any more liberal than Clinton is. His views are very much like hers. Her actions violated his 'federalist principles' then, but not now? I think the only real difference between then and now is that he's been out of the limelight for 4 years.

41 posted on 08/09/2004 6:59:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: wagglebee
"a sufficient number of debates" between himself and Keyes . . . but not the seven such clashes he had promised Ryan.

Sounds like Obama is running a bit scared.

42 posted on 08/09/2004 6:59:47 PM PDT by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: WOSG
I saw him on H+C tonight

Me too. Sean Hannity has got to go. Fox News needs to just fire him now, and bring in Laura Ingraham, Monica Crowley or someone EFFECTIVE. He is such a loser.

43 posted on 08/09/2004 7:00:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: mombonn

Yeah. Shaking in his boots I bet - when he's ahead 60-something to 20-something in the polls? Sure he is.


44 posted on 08/09/2004 7:01:59 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Liberals - The Other White Meat.)
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To: mombonn
Sounds like Obama is running a bit scared.

If I had nearly 70% in the polls, I'd be scared too.

45 posted on 08/09/2004 7:02:18 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Keyes went on a pre-emptive strike. Invoking the slavery before the Lefties.

Makes Keyes look like a kook.

46 posted on 08/09/2004 7:04:04 PM PDT by sinkspur (If we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world we'd have!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
>>Yeah. I found Dr. Keyes's excuse for doing what he criticized Hillary Clinton for back in 2000 to be very lame<<

Agreed.

As I've stated in other threads, I wish he would just come out and give his real reason...whatever it is.

Very un-Keyesian and disturbing to try to float something this shallow.

47 posted on 08/09/2004 7:05:21 PM PDT by evad (You cannot start with a false premise and arrive at a valid conclusion)
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To: sinkspur

I gasped when I read it.

Now he has given Obama the chance to look like the reasonable candidate - and it looks like Obama took it.

Like Chad said, I hope he knows what he's doing. Maybe it's the only thing he CAN do, when he's behind the eight ball like this.


48 posted on 08/09/2004 7:06:09 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: WOSG
Keyes is setting himself up as Lincoln ready for the Lincoln Douglas debates, and he's coming to the land of Lincoln to defend the principles of Lincoln.

I don't think Keyes will invoke Lincoln who was a blatant racist and white supremacist.

read it here

49 posted on 08/09/2004 7:07:34 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: Bernard

The first two black men to serve in the senate, one of whom was a former slave. Hiram Revels, a Republican, was the first, but only served one year beginning in 1870. Blanche K. Bruce, a Republican, was first to serve a full 6-year appointment from Mississippi in the same class.

It took the Democrat party until the 1940's to elect their first black person to Congress.


50 posted on 08/09/2004 7:10:00 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: evad

I spoke with AK, by phone, the day before the acceptance speech. What he said in public was what he said to me. At first he wanted to say no, then he thought about Obama's threat to the founding principles. He reflected on Lincoln's ordering of principles, and which ones were most fundamental, and slowly changed his mind. He prayed a lot over it, and reached a resolution. He is running to win, though he knows that will be hard.

Here is a link to the transcript of the full speech; I don't think it's been posted here yet.

http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/speeches/04_08_08illinois_announce.htm

Cheers,

Richard F.


51 posted on 08/09/2004 7:10:36 PM PDT by rdf ("Endowed, by their Creator, with .... rights")
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To: Chad Fairbanks

He has to beat the Chicago machine and the Southern Illinois election fraud. It takes two honest votes to overcome one fraudulent vote.


52 posted on 08/09/2004 7:11:45 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: sinkspur
Makes Keyes look like a kook.

I suppose you prefer more nuance....

53 posted on 08/09/2004 7:12:04 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Kerry lied, while good men died. Go to www.kerrylied.com)
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To: Western Phil

We'll see. Personally I don't think he has a chance in hell, but I've been wrong before (I forget exactly when, but I'm SURE it's happened) so we'll see I guess...


54 posted on 08/09/2004 7:13:13 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Liberals - The Other White Meat.)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Why is Keyes playing the race card, right out of the Chute?


55 posted on 08/09/2004 7:14:30 PM PDT by sinkspur (If we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world we'd have!)
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To: Bernard

Does HRC count?


56 posted on 08/09/2004 7:15:54 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: mvpel

So 3 of the first 4 Black Senators were Republicans. Funny how that doesn't come up in the stories.


57 posted on 08/09/2004 7:16:07 PM PDT by Bernard (Let Freedom Reign)
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To: sinkspur
He's equating abortion and slavery, both the denial of basic fundamental human rights.

I wouldn't have opened with this, personally, if I were Keyes. Perhaps, instead he could have used it in a debate to throw Obama off his game.

58 posted on 08/09/2004 7:17:20 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Kerry lied, while good men died. Go to www.kerrylied.com)
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To: rdf
Cheers, Richard F.

Since Dr. Keyes said that, I believe him.

I don't claim to be a purist so it's good enough for me.

59 posted on 08/09/2004 7:17:57 PM PDT by evad (You cannot start with a false premise and arrive at a valid conclusion)
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To: Capt. Tom
Keyes invoked Lincoln on H&C tonight.
60 posted on 08/09/2004 7:20:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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