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Kerry Campaign Rocked by Swiftvet Cambodia Questions
Newsmax.com ^ | Aug. 9, 2004

Posted on 08/09/2004 10:03:11 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud

Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign was scrambling Monday night to deal with new charges that he fabricated claims he was dispatched to Cambodia during the Vietnam War.

Confronted by Fox News Channel's Carl Cameron over the top Democrat's earlier accounts that he was in Cambodia in Dec. 1968, the Kerry campaign at first denied their candidate had said any such thing.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carlcameron; christmasncambodia; foxnews; kerry; militaryrecord; swiftboatveterans

1 posted on 08/09/2004 10:03:11 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud

2 posted on 08/09/2004 10:05:26 PM PDT by Jenya (Removed a brutal dictator, liberated millions....our thriving economy....Yep, it's Bush's fault.)
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To: ArmyBratproud; Chaguito

check this out from the original Carl Cameron thread, posted by Chaguito:

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/journal_day2.shtml, "John F. Kerry/Candidate in the Making; John Kerry's Viet Nam War Journal" Kerry says...
"You head back towards Sa Dec to make your report while transiting the night darkness is broken by tracers flying up out of a Vietnamese outpost that is celebrating Christmas. ... Apologies are quick to (unable to read) but they mean nothing amidst all the chaos and waste. It's cool now and the evening has closed around you to become full night. The night for once is comforting and you take a coke and some peanut butter and jelly and go up on the roof of the cabin whit your tape recorder and sit for a while, quietly, watching flares float silently through the sky and flashes announce disquieting intent somewhere in the distance. You call down to one of your men and ask him to draft a message to the Admiral in Command of all Naval Forces in Vietnam and also to the Commander of Market Time. IT says "Merry Christmas from the most inland Market Time unit." You hope that they'll court marshal you or something because that would make sense. But the night soothes everything and the people and things that are close to you dart through the mind and bring the only warmth and peace that there is. Visions of sugar plums really do dance through your head and you think of stockings and snow and roast chestnuts and fires with birch logs and all that is good and warm and real. It's Christmas Eve."

O'neill mentions "sugar plum fairies" in Kerry's head on Christmas 1968 in his letter to TV station managers. It's directly from Kerry's own words!

Is there any way to get this to Carl Cameron? Kerry himself says he was in Sa Dec on Christmas. He also never says in his journal that he went to Cambodia, only that the river he was on went "toward Cambodia".


563 posted on 08/09/2004 7:40:51 PM PDT by Chaguito


3 posted on 08/09/2004 10:06:24 PM PDT by Bush_Democrat (Now EX-Democrat!!)
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To: ArmyBratproud

It's kind of hard to fight against the truth.

I just hope the truth will win out.


4 posted on 08/09/2004 10:07:05 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: ArmyBratproud
"But after Cameron produced Kerry quotes from the Congressional record and the Boston Globe, campaign officials retreated, telling the Fox reporter they'd have to get back to him."

Hmmmmmm. They need time to cook up a good story. Lets see, He got lost, just thought he was in Cambodia, nah, secret mission, cant talk about it...nah, boy this might be tough.

Fox said he wrote a review of "Apocalypse Now". Anyone know where it is? He made some claims in the review he wrote too according to fox tonight. Boy this Cambodia story sure has legs! I thought it was going to fizzle. Cool.

Hail to the King Baby.

5 posted on 08/09/2004 10:08:21 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: ArmyBratproud

And who says the Republicans don't know how to play offense.


6 posted on 08/09/2004 10:08:26 PM PDT by Vision Thing (My name is Vision Thing, and I'm a Freepaholic.)
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To: Vision Thing

Kerry can't keep all the different versions of the story straight that he has told over the years. No wonder he can't answer a simple question. What a Dufus


7 posted on 08/09/2004 10:10:47 PM PDT by Merry
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To: ArmyBratproud
Kerry's lies are unraveling. Next he will be painted as the anti-American, Communist loving traitor that he is. After the Republican Convention, Kerry will be shown as the liar and flip-flopper that he is. HOW can he have the Senate voting record that he has, voting AGAINST all of the weapons now used to defeat the terrorists while at the same time travel around America that he will tough on terror. Kerry is DEAD MEAT!

I personally hope that he rots in Hell for what he did to honorable vets returning home. Because of Fonda and Kerry some Vets committed suicide, became homeless and alcoholics because they had no "home" to come home to. Kerry also caused our POW to suffer because of his anti-American actions. BURN YOU BASTAGE, BURN!

8 posted on 08/09/2004 10:10:53 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)
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To: ArmyBratproud

--- the Kerry campaign at first denied their candidate had said any such thing.---

Whatever these folks are getting paid, it's too much.


9 posted on 08/09/2004 10:11:58 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Merry

Did you all hear that NPR woman on Brit Hume's show this evening that Kerry was probably lost? He only went 58 miles out of his way in a war zone!


10 posted on 08/09/2004 10:12:42 PM PDT by Merry
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

New to Free Republic??---do I smell a Demonrat shill?


11 posted on 08/09/2004 10:15:15 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: Merry

Yeah, Barns ate Williams chit tonight. Barns wouldn't let Williams go to "its a hit piece paid for by republicans" and kept Williams' feet to the fire, and made the case that Kerry lied unless Kerry can prove differently (which he can't). Kerry's lies are unraveling.


12 posted on 08/09/2004 10:16:06 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)
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To: Merry
Did you all hear that NPR woman on Brit Hume's show this evening that Kerry was probably lost?

I have no problems with that explanation--but wait! Wasn't it a secret mission? sKerry is still lost!

13 posted on 08/09/2004 10:16:34 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: cmotormac44

Why do you say that? What did I say that you don't like?


14 posted on 08/09/2004 10:17:58 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

bit dramatic


15 posted on 08/09/2004 10:22:16 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

Suspicion is aroused when a new guy jumps in, and takes the extreme position. This tactic sometimes leads to posts meant to discredit FR as a home to fanatics, kooks, and extremists advocating violence etc. Until we know you, we will watch your replies with caution. That's what was meant.


16 posted on 08/09/2004 10:25:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

Umm .. you migh want to take a chill pill

BTW .. Welcome to FR


17 posted on 08/09/2004 10:26:31 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: Jenya
Yeh, Kerry would have handled the morning of 9-11 differently.

Kerry would have handled the WoT differently.

Kerry would have handled the Saddam Hussein differently.

Kerry would have handled the economy differently.

Kerry would have handled everything differently.




So now Kerry is expecting us to buy "differently." Well, what the heck does that mean? How "differently"? Still, no specifics; still no details. Bobo the chip would have handled all those differently too, but that doesn't make Bobo Presidential material.

Too bad the media are being nearly incompetent and letting Kerry slide on most significant questions and issues. We need more than Kerry's "differently" and his "I have a plan, but..."
18 posted on 08/09/2004 10:28:19 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: ArmyBratproud
Legs...this has L-E-G-S and Kerry it yet once again getting hit in the rear end with shrapnel;only this time it's NOT rice,but TRUTH!
19 posted on 08/09/2004 10:29:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider
I personally hope that he rots in Hell for what he did to honorable vets returning home.

In a sense, he may be doing that right now...

20 posted on 08/09/2004 10:36:34 PM PDT by lewislynn (Why do the same people who think "free trade" is the answer also want less foreign oil dependence?)
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To: All

This story has bigger legs than Senator Clinton!


21 posted on 08/09/2004 10:36:44 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

sorry to be a bit heavy but I have been around long enough to wonder about 'extreme' posts---welcome aboard, in any event


22 posted on 08/09/2004 10:44:58 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: ArmyBratproud

Wonder if ketchup-boy has any alternative plans for next year....?


23 posted on 08/09/2004 10:47:27 PM PDT by Rightfootforward
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To: ArmyBratproud

Rocked and scrambling... heheheh!! Photo-op that Pinochio JFK.


24 posted on 08/09/2004 10:55:13 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Bias is not necessarily propaganda. HOWEVER, bias is necessary to propaganda.)
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To: nopardons

Don't know if you saw my post on another thread, but, Kerry told the WaPo last year-that not only did he go into Cambodia, but,he was part of a secret CIA mission.


Washington Post, June 1,2003
" John Kerry : Hunter, Dreamer, Realist "-Laura Blumenfeld

Tha last paragraphs of the piece. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59559-2003May30.html

" A close associate hints: There's a secret compartment in Kerry's briefcase.
He carries the black attache everywhere.
Asked about it on several occasions, Kerry brushed it aside.
Finally, trapped in an interview, he exhaled and clicked open the case."

"My friends don't know about this."
" The hat was a little mildewy. The green camouflage was fading, the seams fraying."

"My good luck hat,Kerry said, happy to see it. "

" Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

"Kerry put on the hat, pulling the brim over his forehead."
"He pointed his finger and raised his thumb, creating an imaginary gun."

" He smiled and aimed his finger : " Pow."

Kerry is in a special LaLa Land, that even Gore wouldn't be able to get into.



25 posted on 08/09/2004 11:31:10 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: exhaustedmomma

is you were on kerry's campaign
what would you say about the cambodia lie?
it is going to be a fascinating answer- i guess the best answer is not to comment. Say he made the statement in good faith at the time. Nothing more.


26 posted on 08/09/2004 11:32:00 PM PDT by genghis
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
This needs to be posted - 2003 ... drip, drip, drip.

There's no plausible explanation the Kerry campaign can come up with except that their candidate is a complete phony & fraud.

27 posted on 08/10/2004 12:03:04 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: ArmyBratproud

"Rocked" is putting it mildly. The Democrats don't know how to rebut the charges leveled against the Kerry campaign. At the moment, their partisans in the media are seeking to kill the messenger. I think it will fall flat. If Kerry knows the accusations are wrong, its a simple matter to release ALL his records to lay this to rest. He hasn't done it so far probably because he can't afford to tell the truth about his service in Vietnam - and the records won't back up his claims. No wonder his campaign is running panicked.


28 posted on 08/10/2004 12:07:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
I posted a new thread and gave you kudos for this find! Please do likewise for your source as the finder deserves tremendous accolades! 2003 and the richest of his recollections yet!
29 posted on 08/10/2004 12:10:14 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: backhoe

Do you have a link to that portion of Kerry's diary in which he confides WHERE he was on Christmas Eve, 1968? If I remember correctly, by his own words there, he was NOT in Cambodia.


30 posted on 08/10/2004 12:16:25 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Wild Irish Rogue; cmotormac44; Viet-Boat-Rider

31 posted on 08/10/2004 12:21:42 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: ArmyBratproud

About as dumb are his claims he was being shot at by Khmer Rouge and Cambodians. First, Khmer Rouge are Cambodians so not sure what he was inferring. If he was suggesting that he was being shot at by Cambodians who were NOT Khmer Rouge, while also being shot at by Khmer Rouge, then his lack of understanding of the situation on the ground in Cambodia is mind boggling. The man has a problem with the truth and lies for no apparent reason. Somewhat symptomatic of a socio-path.


32 posted on 08/10/2004 12:24:09 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: Merry

HAHAHAHA, lost.. On a river. Only two ways to go, and he gets lost. Ok, he's not a liar, just the dumbest sailor in the world.


33 posted on 08/10/2004 12:28:25 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: ArmyBratproud


It felt like 1998 with ex Clinton mole, Lanny Davison on FOX spinning lies about the allegations.
34 posted on 08/10/2004 12:37:56 AM PDT by John Lenin (I can remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty)
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To: ArmyBratproud
Kerry Campaign Rocked

I knew just from that part of the headline that this article was not from the MSM (mainstream media)! They will never admit to Kerry's campaign being "rocked" by anything.

35 posted on 08/10/2004 12:43:25 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Carolinamom
Do you have a link to that portion of Kerry's diary in which he confides WHERE he was on Christmas Eve, 1968?

I'm afraid not, darn it! Sounds like a good one!

36 posted on 08/10/2004 1:39:27 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: Carolinamom

Hold the phone- I just ran across this--

If there is a consistent[ly] repeated story by John Kerry about his Vietnam experience, it is his story about how he and his boat spent Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 illegally present in Cambodia and, listening to President Nixon's contrary assurances, developed "a deep mistrust of U.S. government pronouncements." See Exhibit 24, Kranish book, p. 84. The point of his story was that his government and his commanders were lying about Kerry's presence in Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. During a critical debate on the floor of the United States Senate on March 27, 1986, Senator John Kerry said:
Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia.

I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me . . . .

Exhibit 25, Congressional Record - Senate of March 27, 1986, page 3594.

3 posted on 08/09/2004 8:25:37 PM EDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It only takes one idiot to raze a village.)

Source link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1188297/posts


37 posted on 08/10/2004 1:46:20 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Carl Cameron "might" be interested it the article you posted.


38 posted on 08/10/2004 1:58:27 AM PDT by musicman
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To: genghis

But "which" time did he make the statement "in good faith"??

All 100 or more of them....more and more quotes are popping
up bt the minute.


39 posted on 08/10/2004 2:00:50 AM PDT by musicman
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To: musicman; Wild Irish Rogue

Can't find an email for Carl. Here are the rest of the FNC emails. You might try cameron@foxnews.com or mail to all the other addresses w/a request to get this to Carl. ALso try carl.cameron@foxnews.com or campaign@foxnews.com. I think the General Comments addy w/an "Attention: Carl Cameron" is also worth a try.

Roger Ailes
roger.ailes@foxnews.com

General Comments
comments@foxnews.com

Fox Fan
speakout@foxnews.com

Fox & Friends
friends@foxnews.com

Vester
dayside@foxnews.com

Smith
studiob@foxnews.com

Cavuto
cavuto@foxnews.com

Gibson
myword@foxnews.com

Smith
foxreport@foxnews.com

Hume
special@foxnews.com

O'Reilly
oreilly@foxnews.com

Hannity
hannity@foxnews.com


40 posted on 08/10/2004 6:11:28 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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To: Ruth A.

Other than FOX News, have any of the other networks addressed the Christmas in Cambodia story? To my knowledge, they have not.


41 posted on 08/10/2004 6:13:36 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: John Lenin

LOL, love that graphic in #34. May I borrow it sometime? ;-)


42 posted on 08/10/2004 3:12:54 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: nutmeg

As of the start of Special Report, Carl is reporting that the kerry campaign is still saying that he was 'near' Cambodia and not 'in' Cambodia. They apparently had no response on the quotes in kerry's own words saying that he was in Cambodia.


43 posted on 08/10/2004 3:22:35 PM PDT by Bob
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To: ArmyBratproud
From the article:

"At least three of the five crewmen on Kerry's boat, Bill Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner, deny that they or their boat were ever in Cambodia."

The crew members who are supporting him should be asked if they were in Cambodia or Sa Dec(sp?) that night.

44 posted on 08/10/2004 3:31:33 PM PDT by Bob
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To: ArmyBratproud

How much you wanna bet the slimeball will back up and say - "I was actually writing poetry - speaking metaphorically - of all the soldiers and sailors trapped in illegal combat in Cambodia....man."


45 posted on 08/10/2004 3:39:53 PM PDT by guitfiddlist (Hate is a DNC Family Value)
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To: nutmeg

Simon says, yes, you may borrow it anytime you'd like to.


46 posted on 08/10/2004 5:38:48 PM PDT by John Lenin (I can remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty)
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To: John Lenin

Thanks, John! :-)


47 posted on 08/10/2004 6:49:30 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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