Former Colorado Legislator Now In Porn Business With Daughter: "I Feel No Shame"

Rocky Mountain News ^ | 8/7/04 | John aguilar

[G.Mason]

"LOL. Ooops. He was a republican."

Hey ... it's my story, and I'll make him a Democrat party member if I want.

The bloviator Michael Moore says thems not lies. ;)

[beezdotcom]

But I'll be perfectly honest - I'm a little hypocritical on this issue, and so it leaves me open to flames.

Much of my espoused moral code was implemented into law long ago by virtue of the Judeo-Christian roots of Western Civilization. Therefore, I'm not particularly interested in seeing it all uprooted, and not particularly opposed when some of it gets put back in. After all, my sense of logical consistency also tells me not to object when the wind is blowing my way. (Yes, yes, I can already see your objection forming.)

Where you and I may be in closer agreement is that, when Judeo-Christian morality in our laws is attacked, then I prefer that the government implement an amoral solution rather than one that contravenes my moral code. For example, I'm perfectly happy for traditional marriage to be promoted by the government. If this is going to be Consitutionally beaten to death, however, then I'd rather see marriage deleted from the laws altogether, instead of adding support for homosexual marriage.

Hypocritical? Perhaps....but honest.

[Ichneumon]

[Cyborg:] He should be honest and call himself a libertarian and not a republican.

[beezdotcom:] I think if he were honest with himself, he would a)admit that he's really moved toward the Libertarian camp,

I don't understand these comments. What makes a person a libertarian (or not) is their philosophy on the proper role of government, not their attitudes about porn, or drugs, or whatever. And his *political* views were never mentioned in the article (other than to say that he considers himself a *Republican*).

It'd be like presuming someone to be a communist because he liked vodka or Cuban cigars.

[Protagoras]

He should be honest and call himself a libertarian and not a republican.

Nice try, you can run but you can't hide from your Republican Party.

[cyborg]

It's not a slam on libertarianism. Is vice a plank in the republican party? No it isn't. Legalizing vice is with the Libertarians, big L party ones that is.

[Long Cut]

I think I'll just pop some corn and watch this one.

[cyborg]

What's that supposed to mean? I'm not hiding anything. I'm just telling the truth. Who embraces the legalization and acceptance of vice in this country?

[Protagoras]

Who embraces the legalization and acceptance of vice in this country?

Republican Swartz.

[Protagoras]

correction; Republican Schwarz

[Protagoras]

You can run but you cannot hide.
You can't "bork" a group to avoid the obvious.

[Modernman]

Who embraces the legalization and acceptance of vice in this country?

Depends on what you mean by "embraces." I have no problems with vices being legal so long as the vices do not harm non-consenting parties.

[beezdotcom]

I don't understand these comments. What makes a person a libertarian (or not) is their philosophy on the proper role of government, not their attitudes about porn, or drugs, or whatever.

You're right that attitudes about porn and drugs don't make you a libertarian. But they do increasingly seem to make you less of a Republican - before I'm beaten to death over that comment, please recognize that I know this generalization doesn't apply to all Republicans. But be honest, in which party are you most likely to find us prudes? (self-effacing, that)

And since we know that lower taxes and self-reliance aren't part of the Democrat mindset, that kinda leaves us with libertarians.

Actually, he DOES talk about his political views in the article. I quote:

However people categorize his involvement in the adult industry, Schwarz says he will never abandon his Republican ideals of self-reliance, lower taxes and individual freedom.
As for those who question his commitment to family values, Schwarz says the term has many definitions.

Your analogy is a little flawed; it's more like presuming someone to NOT BE A MORMON because he liked vodka or Cuban cigars. There are certainly Mormons who do, but not many of them will publicly admit it.

[cyborg]

Have your libertarian porngraphic filth all you want. I could care less. The Libertarian party is as useful to this country as the communist party.

[monday]

"[Oh, tell me this guy hasn't been watching porno flicks of his adopted daughter. Ugh!]"

From the article: "At work, Schwarz says he takes extra precautions with his daughter's image and "specifically avoids seeing her in anything she performs."
When it's time to choose explicit photographs of DeNyle for use in promotional materials, Schwarz says he refuses to take part."

lol...You have a dirty mind..

[applemac_g4]

>He avoids looking at his daughter's work...
>Oh, tell me this guy hasn't been watching porno flicks of
>his adopted daughter.

>Stephany goes by the stage name Jewel DeNyle...

Authorities raided Schwarz's Wetmore home on Dec. 4, 2001, looking for child pornography. According to court records, police removed cartoon books depicting children having sex and other items, including tapes of DeNyle from Schwarz's home.

[Redcloak]

Strictly speaking, Western Civilization doesn't have Judeo-Christian roots; they're Greek. It is, however, now heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian ethics. One could argue that the tolerant nature of the West helped to propel the Gospel out of the Mid-east and into the rest of the world. It has never stopped being tolerant of outside ideas.

You are quite correct that our laws reflect much of the religiously inspired morality of the Founders. In retrospect, they should have been more careful. Marriage laws, for example, should never have been written. Marriage is a private matter between two consenting adults; not a thing for the government to license. (And other than getting my wallet lightened, I still don't know how my wife and I benefited from getting a marriage license!)

By allowing one religion to insert its beliefs into the law, we've opened the door for other religions to do the same. I don't want Jainists writing laws forbidding the eating of meat, or Muslims writing laws requiring women to wear burqas and thus I can't expect to see Christians writing laws according to our sense of morality.

[Protagoras]

You are saying I want pornographic filth? Please retract that slur.

I don't belong to any political party.

The Party in question is the REPUBLICAN PARTY and their pornographer elected official.

Any time a Republican does anything untoward, the aplogists try to say they are something else. Nice try, you can run but you can't hide.

[cyborg]

Marriage confers things like citizenship upon a person in this country. There are a lot of reasons for government to issue marriage licenses.

[cyborg]

I'm NOT retracting ANYTHING. Here is what you said to me, making my statement and personally addressing me. If you don't like it when people get personal THEN DON'T DISH IT OUT. BTW, good to independent so you don't have to take a stand for anything.
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He should be honest and call himself a libertarian and not a republican.
Nice try, you can run but you can't hide from your Republican Party.

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