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U.S. to Give Border Patrol New Powers to Deport Illegal Aliens
NY Times ^ | August 10, 2004 | RACHEL L. SWARNS

Posted on 08/10/2004 6:04:26 PM PDT by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Aug. 10 — Citing concerns about terrorists crossing the nation's land borders, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it planned to give border patrol agents sweeping new powers to deport illegal aliens from the frontiers abutting Mexico and Canada without providing the aliens the opportunity to make their case before an immigration judge.

The move, which will take effect this month, represents a broad expansion of the authority of the thousands of law enforcement agents who currently patrol the nation's borders. Until now, border patrol agents typically delivered undocumented immigrants to the custody of the immigration courts, where judges determined whether they should be deported or remain in the United States.

Homeland Security officials described the immigration courts — which hear pleas for asylum and other appeals to remain in the country — as sluggish and cumbersome, saying illegal immigrants often wait more than a year before being deported, straining the capacity of detention centers and draining critical resources. Under the new system, immigrants will typically be deported within eight days of their apprehension, officials said.

Immigration legislation passed in 1996 allows the immigration service to deport certain groups of illegal aliens without judicial oversight, but until now the agency only permitted officials at the nation's airports and seaports to do so. The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians, and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex.

"There is a concern that as we tighten the security of our ports of entry through our biometric checks that there will be more opportunity or more effort made by terrorists to enter our country through our vast land borders," Asa Hutchinson, the undersecretary for border security at the Department of Homeland Security, said at a news conference.

"We recognize that we have to secure those and that's the president's first principle of immigration reform," Mr. Hutchinson said. "America must secure its borders and this is a part of that effort."

The decision was hailed by officials who have long complained that the nation's porous borders represent a serious threat to national security. But it prompted a flurry of criticism from advocates for immigrants who warned that the new system lacked adequate safeguards to ensure that people fleeing persecution, American citizens lacking paperwork or other travelers with legitimate grounds would not be improperly deported.

Mr. Hutchinson said that border agents would be trained on asylum law and that immigrants who demonstrated a credible fear of persecution would be sent to see immigrant judges, not returned to hostile governments. "That right," he said of the right to apply for asylum, "is very important."

But Homeland Security officials provided little details about the training, and advocates said that they feared that mistakes would be made when border agents decide who will be deported and who will not, often in the vast, inhospitable plains of the southern deserts.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderpatrol; illegalaliens; immigration
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1 posted on 08/10/2004 6:04:27 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Beat me to it - Drudge is running the headline now. Looks like the RNC got my letter LOL.


2 posted on 08/10/2004 6:05:59 PM PDT by sc2_ct (This is the way the world ends... not with a bang but a whimper)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Squantos; ...

From time to time, I’ll post or ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. Let me know if you want off my list.


3 posted on 08/10/2004 6:07:16 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Makes me wonder, do they now have power to return fire?


4 posted on 08/10/2004 6:09:23 PM PDT by Darksheare ("No Hamster Aspirators Here!" -Vote Dubya, he doesn't artificially aspirate hamsters.)
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To: neverdem

ABOUT TIME.....


5 posted on 08/10/2004 6:12:54 PM PDT by traumer
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To: neverdem
Is this a real turnaround or an election-year bone thrown to angry conservatives which will turn out to be watered down later?

The "except for Mexicans" is a hole big enough through which to herd a million illegals a year.

6 posted on 08/10/2004 6:13:15 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: neverdem
Asa Hutchinson can say anything he wants but he can't ovecome this.
7 posted on 08/10/2004 6:13:26 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: sc2_ct; Spackidagoosh

The Times wrote the same title as Rueters with its own byline.

Spackidagoosh,
I asked the admin moderator to run your post as breaking news, but I didn't see any response.


8 posted on 08/10/2004 6:13:37 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
The best anti-terrorist measure would be to allow Mexican laborers to enter through checkpoints, thus freeing up the border patrol to concentrate on smugglers and terrorists.

We already have an average of one guard per 1/5th mile of Southern border, but they are spending most of their time processing people who just want to come here to do our dirtiest lowest paying jobs.

9 posted on 08/10/2004 6:13:44 PM PDT by bayourod (I resent Kerry telling me that his values, not mine are the only true American values.)
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To: neverdem
As long as they do it with a smile...click here
10 posted on 08/10/2004 6:15:04 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: neverdem

Something stinks about this story. Bush is in Vicente Fox's back pocket and has resisted any move to enforce the immigration laws or secure the borders. Fox has routinely pushed illegals across our border and has pressured Bush to pretend that we don't have a southern border.

I'm very susicious of this. I think it's a plant to make us think that the administration is actually going to do something about illegal immigration when, in fact, I don't think they are.


11 posted on 08/10/2004 6:16:44 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: neverdem

Hutchinson is supposed to be in CA Friday to talk about the stoppage of sweeps of Mexical illegals. We'll see what he says. But this doesn't address the Mexicans at the border, and illegals living illegally.


12 posted on 08/10/2004 6:20:53 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
The "except for Mexicans" is a hole big enough through which to herd a million illegals a year

Yup, this article almost fooled me on first glance. We sure don't want get Vincente mad at us, do we?

13 posted on 08/10/2004 6:24:12 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: neverdem

It is about time. One small step in a lot of steps that need to be taken to tighten the borders both by land and by sea.


14 posted on 08/10/2004 6:26:32 PM PDT by waRNmother.armyboots
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To: waRNmother.armyboots

"One small step in a lot of steps that need to be taken to tighten the borders both by land and by sea."

Yes, I agree, at least this is a step in the right direction.


15 posted on 08/10/2004 6:39:01 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: neverdem
Did I read this correctly?

"That right," he said of the right to apply for asylum, "is very important."
16 posted on 08/10/2004 6:39:36 PM PDT by IronKros (Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing?)
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To: All

Folks, I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but a number of the middle-eastern people who are coming through Mexico have been given Mexican style clothes and appear to be Mexicans. If they keep their mouths shut, who will know if they are Mexican or not? Not knowing, are we really assured they INS (or whatever) will deport those folks to the middle-east?

LOL, how gullible to they think we are? Asa still refuses to allow inland apprehensions in populated areas.

This is all about smoke and mirrors. Remember, any police department of municipality can opt out of these programs, just as LA now refuses to even ask a person's status, or take them into custody for the INS.

We have laws on the books today that are supposed to stop illegal immigration dead in it's tracks. Does it?

Asa is leading you folks down the primrose path. Don't sucker for it.

Fix illegal immigration accross the board today, and quit f---ing with us, you a--holes in D.C.


17 posted on 08/10/2004 6:41:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: neverdem
Read the fine print:

The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians, and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex.


18 posted on 08/10/2004 6:47:36 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: IronKros
Ok, after I posted in haste I tried to do some research. This is what I found on the "Right to Asylum".
http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/asylum/overview.htm

Unlike the U.S. Refugee Program, which provides protection to refugees by bringing them to the United States for resettlement, the U.S. Asylum Program provides protection to qualified refugees who are already in the United States or are seeking entry into the United States at a port of entry.

So I guess we are going to deport those sneaking across our borders and tell them to apply properly? Right...
19 posted on 08/10/2004 6:49:05 PM PDT by IronKros (Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing?)
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To: sixmil

Sounds like a plan to ticket all speeders, except drivers who have been exceeding the speed limit for more than 14 minutes.

"How long have you been in the country?"

"15 days"

"Okay, we'll put you you through the same old inefficient system we always use then."


20 posted on 08/10/2004 6:57:03 PM PDT by flashbunny (Click on my name!!! I dare you!!!)
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And now, in the "For What It's Worth" department...

There are changes here on the border, but it's looking like too little, too late. Time - and lost lives - will tell.

22 posted on 08/10/2004 7:08:56 PM PDT by HiJinx (Close the Borders - Now)
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To: bayourod
And if the 21st Century version of slavery was not available to illegal aliens and sleazy employers, would those vital, degrading, manual labor intensive, low paying jobs be worth higher wages?(oh horrors!)
23 posted on 08/10/2004 7:12:03 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: sixmil

I wonder if the ACLU will require the painting of a broad green line 100 miles from the border to indicate where the "get home free" zone starts?


24 posted on 08/10/2004 7:27:06 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: DustyMoment

" Bush is in Vicente Fox's back pocket "

According to the AP your post is hyperbole and... can we get a quote on your views of the Catholic Church?

Remember the Alamo!


25 posted on 08/10/2004 7:33:56 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Watch out for AP trolls :o)
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To: HiJinx

Let's hope they're finally getting serious, but I'll believe it when I see it.


26 posted on 08/10/2004 7:39:27 PM PDT by SAMWolf (There are some things money can't buy - John Kerry isn't one of them)
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To: sixmil

It looks as if terrorists make it past the 14 day deadline, they are free to bomb you on the 15th day.


27 posted on 08/10/2004 7:47:30 PM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: neverdem
YES!
28 posted on 08/10/2004 7:48:26 PM PDT by No-Compromise Conservative
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To: sarasmom
No. Subdivsion lawns would not be manicured. More people would be driving their cars with body damage. Roofs would have multiple patches. Less people would be buying new houses. Less new freeways, less new schools and hospitals, fewer new factories, less people eating out at restaurants, fewer new car would be built, clothes wouldn't be replaced as often, less petroleum would be consumed, fewer people would stay in motels or visit theme parks, fewer bass boats would be built..

Union members who assume that people will pay them $35 an hour to do the jobs that immigrants are doing for $8 an hour are living in the past when our living standards were lower and they could coerce employers into paying exorbitant wages. But times have changed. Consumers will simply cut back on non necessary expenditures and postpone buying a new car or house rather than pay twice the price.

Without increasing immigrant labor our economy would contract, new factories would be built overseas and our living standard would drop. You should be thankful that you are living in the greatest period of economic prosperity in history.

If you are just sitting around waiting for the government to take a job away from an immigrant and give it to you, you're going to be waiting a long time.

29 posted on 08/10/2004 7:59:13 PM PDT by bayourod (I resent Kerry telling me that his values, not mine are the only true American values.)
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To: neverdem
"Citing concerns about terrorists crossing the nation's land borders, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it planned to give border patrol agents sweeping new powers to deport illegal aliens..."

Suddenly -- Three months till the election '04 -- Homeland Security has "concerns about terrorists crossing the nation's land border"??

Are these people aware yet that Pearl Harbor has been attacked?

30 posted on 08/10/2004 8:05:25 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: bayourod
It must be nice to live in a strawmanworld!

I guess it must be hard for you as the newly minted unproductive overseer of the slaves to understand that there is a huge range between $8.00 an hour and $35.00 an hour.

I shut two jerks just like you down this week up close and in person.

Both "felt" good about breaking our laws to knowingly employ criminal aliens, at the expense of our legal citizens and legal aliens.
After all, it put a few more dollars in their pockets, for the short term.
When they were told in no uncertain terms that I could and would report their sorry, sordid criminal actions to the appropriate authorities, they changed personalities from pious "just helping the poor and downtrodden" to mini-mafia wannabees.
Your type, the criminal apologist, is just so boringly predictable and pathetic!
Laws are always only applicable to some nameless "others", of whose crimes you don't actually approve or profit from.
Society as a whole be damned!
Want anarchy?
Come get some!
You won't like it at all, I promise .
31 posted on 08/10/2004 8:29:05 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: gubamyster; Dutchy

Ping.


32 posted on 08/10/2004 8:35:37 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: sarasmom

Well, isn't that nice.


33 posted on 08/10/2004 8:36:53 PM PDT by bayourod (I resent Kerry telling me that his values, not mine are the only true American values.)
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To: bayourod

Consider your soul, bayourod, if not your freedom.
Since you have no real respect for law as a societal concept, why do you expect anyone else to abide only by the ones you approve and profit from?
Perhaps the ones I am inclined to ignore are ones that profit myself, and might tend to cause you great harm.
Since we are both seemingly free to ignore the laws of society,in your opinion, it seems you advocate anarchy.
Be carefull what you wish for, you might actually get it.





34 posted on 08/10/2004 8:56:11 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: sixmil
All you have to do is establish you're a Mexican who has been in the country at least 15 days.

And if you're 101 miles from the border, you're home free.

35 posted on 08/10/2004 9:09:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: sarasmom

You'll love this one.

Go to this link and download IRS Form 211 entitled Application for Reward for Original Information.

If you suspect a local business of using illegal aliens and paying them under the table, narc ‘em out to the IRS. The tax boys can go in, recover all unpaid witholding taxes, plus a 100% penalty, and even fit the miscreant employer with a nice orange jumpsuit.

At the very least you will get that warm fuzzy feeling of doing your civic duty. You may also be awarded up to 15% of the recovered taxes and penalties.

Remember, it was a conviction for tax evasion that finally retired Al Capone...


36 posted on 08/10/2004 9:22:47 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: neverdem

This may seem like a step in the right direction but what it actually does is take away punishment for illegally crossing the border. Instead of spending time in jail they will be expedited to their country of origin. We already have something like this in place for illegals returning after deportation. Prior deports used to spend time incarcerated. Now they get no jail time unless there are mitigating factors like having numerous felonies.


37 posted on 08/10/2004 10:18:30 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: potlatch; devolve; PhilDragoo

Ping


38 posted on 08/10/2004 10:23:17 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: JackelopeBreeder

That's a great idea. Talk about a dilemma for the goverment though, more money vs. enforcing immigration laws. Something tells me they might go for the money.


39 posted on 08/10/2004 10:26:35 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: neverdem; ntnychik; devolve; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe
it would apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican

That statement right there would leave out the 29 illegals found in an 18 wheeler in Fort Worth just this past week. One hundred miles leaves out any that get to my city!!

So the little 'shack cities' will start developing 100 miles from the borders now.

40 posted on 08/10/2004 10:30:00 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: potlatch

There will always be someone to game the system.


41 posted on 08/10/2004 10:56:16 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Ajnin

"This may seem like a step in the right direction but what it actually does is take away punishment..."

Good point. I didn't realise that illegals were being held for as long as a year. And yet, we still have this major problem.


42 posted on 08/11/2004 1:21:25 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Why watch sitcoms? Just listen to Rush talk about left wing wackos and surf the FR.)
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To: bayourod

"Without increasing immigrant labor our economy would contract..."

Please don't get the following comparison wrong. Your argument is for more global freedom, not less. But economically speaking, history disagrees.

The South said the same thing about slavery. 'Without slaves, where would agriculture go? It would no longer be profitable. Bla-bla-bla.' Same argument.


43 posted on 08/11/2004 1:26:07 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Why watch sitcoms? Just listen to Rush talk about left wing wackos and surf the FR.)
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To: HiJinx
......but it's looking like too little, too late.

You took the words right out of my mouth. The article started out good but.......

44 posted on 08/11/2004 1:26:22 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: neverdem
"The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians, and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex."

This is a farce with a potential for NUMEROUS discrimination lawsuits.

45 posted on 08/11/2004 3:33:50 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: neverdem

BUMP

BTW Illegals have no right to a lawyer AT THE BORDER. This has been the rule loooooooong before 9/11.

Most major metropolitan airports have immigration courts with a judge ON PREMISIS.

THIS IS GOOD.

BTWW: Most ALL who are stopped at the airports go back voluntarily.


46 posted on 08/11/2004 4:32:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: neverdem

A good beginning, but unfortunately, Mexican illegal invaders are exempted from this edict.


47 posted on 08/11/2004 4:34:51 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: neverdem

About dayum time!

Frontiers? Fontiers? What about those in El Paso (population 563,000), Laredo (pop 176,000), and McAllen (pop 132,000) where that woman was arrested the other day. FYI, there are border patrol offices in nearly every big city in the US no matter if it's in the middle of Kansas.


48 posted on 08/11/2004 4:46:04 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: DustyMoment
Bush is in Vicente Fox's back pocket

Yep.

49 posted on 08/11/2004 4:47:57 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Make me feel warm and fuzzy just reading it!


50 posted on 08/11/2004 4:57:01 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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