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Exploding the myth that brave Kerry said "send me!" to the fight... in his own words!
Various sources | 8/11/04 | Adam_az

Posted on 08/11/2004 6:18:11 AM PDT by adam_az

John Kerry has made a number of contradictory claims about what exactly he signed up for when he signed up for the Swift boats. I cite various primary sources in an attempt to discover what it was that Kerry actually signed up for.

In summary, when Kerry signed up for the Swift boats, they were used as coastal patrol boats and were one of the safest assignments in Vietnam. Two weeks into Kerry's Swift Boat assignment, they decided to use the boats on the Mekong river. Kerry and his supporters have made multiple contradictory claims about his Swift boat service and what exactly he signed up for. I hope to clear that all up with this posting.

Clinton lionized Kerry's service in his DNC address, in which Kerry's service was a major theme of the speech:

"During the Vietnam War, many young men, including the current president, the vice president and me, could have gone to Vietnam and didn't. John Kerry came from a privileged background. He could have avoided going, too. But instead he said, "Send me." (Cheers, applause.)"

"When -- when they sent those swift boats up the river in Vietnam, and they told them their job was to draw hostile fire, to wave the American flag and bait the enemy to come out and fight, John Kerry said, "Send me." (Cheers, applause.)"


Welllll.... Not exactly, as you will soon find out......

From the John Kerry website ( http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/service.html ):

In 1968, John Kerry began his second tour of duty, and volunteered to serve on a Swift Boat, one of the most dangerous assignments of the war. Swift Boats patrolled the narrow inlets and canals around the Mekong Delta "to draw fire and smoke out the enemy," according to the The Boston Globe.



Well........... Not exactly!

As it turns out, Kerry joined the Swift boats hoping for an easy assignment where he would see little risk. Not quite the same as saying you were volunteering for one of "the most dangerous assignments of the war."

As he usually does, Kerry wants to have it both ways.

According to our favorite Boston Globe reporter Michael Kranish on 6/16/03, Kerry said...

"I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."

"But two weeks after he arrived in Vietnam, the swift boat mission changed -- and Kerry went from having one of the safest assignments in the escalating conflict to one of the most dangerous. Under the newly launched Operation SEALORD, swift boats were charged with patrolling the narrow waterways of the Mekong Delta to draw fire and smoke out the enemy. Cruising inlets and coves and canals, swift boats were especially vulnerable targets."


Kerry has claimed both that he joined the Swift boats because he wanted to serve in combat, and that he joined them because he didn't want to serve in combat.

Which is it, John Kerry?

(Please credit Freerepublic.com if you cite this research in media reports)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: kerry; militaryrecord; notbreakingnews
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1 posted on 08/11/2004 6:18:12 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: adam_az

Nice work Adam.


2 posted on 08/11/2004 6:20:38 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (Donate to the Swifties, once again serving the nation selflessly)
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To: adam_az

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:ippxMSBS5b4J:www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp%3FARTICLE_ID%3D37310+kerry+study+france+draft&hl=en

There are serious questions about Kerry's war record. He claims in recent interviews he enlisted in the Navy out of a sense of civic duty. Yet, in 1970, he told the Harvard Crimson he first appealed to the draft board to allow him to study in France for a year. Only after he was turned down did he enlist.


3 posted on 08/11/2004 6:21:09 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: Grampa Dave; jmstein7; Carl/NewsMax; jrlc; Owl_Eagle; JohnHuang2

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4 posted on 08/11/2004 6:22:47 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: adam_az

Good job!


5 posted on 08/11/2004 6:30:40 AM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: adam_az

GREAT POST


6 posted on 08/11/2004 6:37:34 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: adam_az

The inconsistencies are piling up.


7 posted on 08/11/2004 6:42:37 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: adam_az

(The "More Sensitive" War On Terror)

8 posted on 08/11/2004 6:45:52 AM PDT by End_Clintonism_Now (MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL CLINTON!)
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To: adam_az

Very nice.


9 posted on 08/11/2004 6:48:06 AM PDT by wasp69 ("I drank what?" - Socrates (469-399 BC)
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To: adam_az

It is easy to understand that JFnK wanted his JFK moment on the 1960's version of PT-109. So there he was, 8mm camera in hand when he got the word, "oh, by the way, we're going inland ladies, saddle up."


10 posted on 08/11/2004 6:54:14 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (When it came to Intelligence, Kerry was absent)
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To: adam_az
Great work, as always, outta you, Adam!
 
 
Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

11 posted on 08/11/2004 7:03:00 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (“Cocaine is a powerful drug, b*tches.” R.I.P. Rick James.)
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To: adam_az
Also, we should remember that at the time G Dub signed up for Air National Guard, the F-102 was being used in Vietnam and National Guard units were being assigned to Vietnam, so G Dub did have the very real expectation of being in combat.
The F-102 was a fairly dangerous plane to fly with nearly 10% of them winding up in crashes.  Not exactly an "easy way" to stay out of combat.
 
 
Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

12 posted on 08/11/2004 7:08:07 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (“Cocaine is a powerful drug, b*tches.” R.I.P. Rick James.)
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To: adam_az

He wanted to serve on a PT boat, but they didn't have any of them in Vietnam.


13 posted on 08/11/2004 7:09:55 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Uday is DU in Pig Latin)
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To: adam_az
Once again, Kerry is caught pissing on America's leg.

BUT, the MSM never seems to get tired of reporting that it is raining?

One HELL of a vacuum is being created by the total lack of journalistic integrity.

14 posted on 08/11/2004 7:15:28 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Democrat - It's in the dictionary - It's between "delusional" and "dimwit.")
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To: adam_az

I just can't help it...I'm getting a SWIFT kick in the pants out of all of this, laughing all the way.


15 posted on 08/11/2004 7:17:36 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: adam_az

I thought I had seen that somewhere!! Good job....

But two weeks after he arrived in Vietnam, the swift boat mission changed -- and Kerry went from having one of the safest assignments in the escalating conflict to one of the most dangerous


And when it became dangerous, he started his get out of 'nam free, collection!!(purple hearts)


16 posted on 08/11/2004 7:26:29 AM PDT by weezel
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To: dennisw

It was common practice to enlist in the Navy or Air Force so as to avoid being drafted into the Army, to slog through the jungle and face the enemy on the ground.


17 posted on 08/11/2004 7:28:44 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: nutmeg

bookmark bump


18 posted on 08/11/2004 7:29:29 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: weezel

Weren't the PBR's far more exposed and engaged throughout the war?


19 posted on 08/11/2004 7:30:44 AM PDT by Credo
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To: adam_az

(Excerpts of) Kerry's record speaks for itself.


20 posted on 08/11/2004 7:34:23 AM PDT by Jumpmaster (Teddy is all wet.)
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To: adam_az
WOW, I will bet the media will be all over this. Don't you think?

I mean they went after Bush's dental records with a vengeance, so I would expect they would go after this little Kerry white lie with the same zeal.
21 posted on 08/11/2004 7:37:34 AM PDT by snooker
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To: Owl_Eagle

Also, we should remember that at the time G Dub signed up for Air National Guard, the F-102 was being used in Vietnam and National Guard units were being assigned to Vietnam, so G Dub did have the very real expectation of being in combat.
The F-102 was a fairly dangerous plane to fly with nearly 10% of them winding up in crashes. Not exactly an "easy way" to stay out of combat.


Can you give me a link for this info ? I would love to jam it down some idiot liberal throats.......


22 posted on 08/11/2004 7:41:59 AM PDT by weezel
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To: adam_az
(Please credit Freerepublic.com if you cite this research in media reports)

Nice work Adam, but don't hold your breath.

Maybe John Edwards will represent you in the suit. </sarcasm>

23 posted on 08/11/2004 7:44:15 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: adam_az
"I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."

I don't remember how I heard this, but I heard it a long time ago about Kerry. Maybe some military genius detective could check it out. Maybe it came from his first book, the one with the upside down flag?
Anyway, I heard he asked to go to college overseas instead of going into the military, but his request was denied. He was given a choice - enlist, or be drafted.
I'm a housewife (a girl!), so I don't know that much about how enlistment works and stuff. I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to check this out, and the old Kerry the communist sympathizer book is no longer in print.

24 posted on 08/11/2004 7:46:33 AM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: adam_az

Good one!


25 posted on 08/11/2004 7:49:26 AM PDT by livius
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To: snooker
I mean they went after Bush's dental records with a vengeance, so I would expect they would go after this little Kerry white lie with the same zeal.

Fat chance.
How could anyone not notice the liberal bias? Even FOX, who's suppose to be fair, is giving the dork man a pass.

They were all over Bush because of a simple leave of absence! Now, we have major, major discrepancies, and the press goes after the messengers!

We need to start training our children for media careers. That way, at least people will get the real news instead of blatant partisanship.

And another thing. Notice how they showed the Abu prison 24/7, and constantly BLAMED BUSH! Kerry himself committed even greater atriosities, yet we haven't heard a word about what an animal Kerry is! Not one word! This guy wants to be commander and chief of the military, too!!!

26 posted on 08/11/2004 7:57:15 AM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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27 posted on 08/11/2004 8:00:37 AM PDT by jla (http://www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com/memorial_fund.asp)
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To: jla

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28 posted on 08/11/2004 8:03:24 AM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of a 8 month old son with Down Syndrome)
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To: Mia T

if you haven't seen this...


29 posted on 08/11/2004 8:04:42 AM PDT by jla (http://www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com/memorial_fund.asp)
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To: adam_az
Interesting article. Everybody keeps wondering why everyone else is against Kerry, but his crew is with him. Taken from the article:

Kerry's early departure meant that he was leaving behind a crew that had suffered through many bloody battles with him. Worried that crew members would be killed, he arranged for them to receive a safer assignment. When one crew member, Medeiros, tried to stay, Kerry "came and talked to me and said, `I really would like you to go. ... I'd like to know you are safe, or safer."

Does anyone know the history of his crew, whether they were reassigned or not after Kerry left? Perfect reason to back Kerry up.

30 posted on 08/11/2004 8:16:47 AM PDT by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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To: adam_az

Thanks for this.


31 posted on 08/11/2004 8:21:46 AM PDT by Barset
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To: adam_az

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/john-kerry


32 posted on 08/11/2004 8:22:05 AM PDT by Nascar Dad (Not Fonda Kerry!)
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To: adam_az
This article has been posted to DoctorZin’s New News Blog!


33 posted on 08/11/2004 8:31:32 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: crushkerry

This might be some good material for your website...


34 posted on 08/11/2004 8:38:56 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: N. Theknow
"Once again, Kerry is caught pissing on America's leg."

Not to take away from the conversation, but can anyone with picture cropping skills come up with a picture of sKerry humping Uncle Sam's leg (or perhaps John Q. Public's leg) like a dog?

(Sorry, N., but your comment just brought that picture to mind.)

35 posted on 08/11/2004 9:07:06 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Charity should be a LOCAL program, not a FEDERAL one. Protect America - ban Islam.)
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids

Of course, then there was the crew that got rotated in because Kerry's was rotated out. I wonder how many died or were injured because of Kerry's "3 PH & out". ??????


36 posted on 08/11/2004 9:25:08 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: dennisw

bump to print


37 posted on 08/11/2004 9:27:38 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: adam_az

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38 posted on 08/11/2004 9:27:57 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: adam_az

bump to print this as well


39 posted on 08/11/2004 9:28:11 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: dennisw

......Yet, in 1970, he told the Harvard Crimson he first appealed to the draft board to allow him to study in France for a year........


Oh - how French of him!


I wonder if he ever did learn how to surrender??


40 posted on 08/11/2004 9:34:44 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: expatpat
It was common practice to enlist in the Navy or Air Force so as to avoid being drafted into the Army, to slog through the jungle and face the enemy on the ground.
___________

Definitely true. But today Kerry makes no mention of being turned down by his draft board for a year in France for studying. Back then potential draftees lived year by year, hatched schemes year by year if they wanted to avoid the draft. KERRY DID NOT WANT TO SERVE. Others did. Once Kerry was compelled to serve he started to scheme to parley it into a positive for his (future) political career. On radio yesterday, one of the Swifties mentioned that Kerry often mouthed off about being President some day. At any rate, he had a career in politics in mind.
41 posted on 08/11/2004 9:37:13 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: Owl_Eagle; weezel

Me, too! ;-)


42 posted on 08/11/2004 10:09:47 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: weezel

Here you go:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml

Incredible amount of information out there. Oh, and the loss rate for F-102As actually approached 30% of the production run, with it having a higher Class-A mishap rate (over 14) than any US combat aircraft flying today (the AV-8B comes close with a rate a bit higher than 11).


43 posted on 08/11/2004 10:13:28 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: ValerieUSA

ping


44 posted on 08/11/2004 10:29:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Bumpity bump bump
45 posted on 08/11/2004 10:50:53 AM PDT by hobson
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To: hobson

The Kerry Spot on National Review Online
http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/waffles.asp

and, for more entertainment:

Democrats for Bush
http://democratsforbush.blogspot.com/


46 posted on 08/11/2004 11:10:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: dennisw

I heard that on 700 Club, too. They featured some of the swift boat vets and the stories they gave about the LIAR were so contradictory to what LIAR has been claiming. Oh, Lord, please let the leftist media pick up on this, please, please. I promise to be good, honest!


47 posted on 08/11/2004 11:17:40 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is STILL in control, even if Bush loses in 2004!)
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48 posted on 08/11/2004 12:41:13 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: End_Clintonism_Now

I've seen this photo on two threads now and my laughter is just uncontrollable. There have been oodles of funny, outrageous pics on FR, but this one is the best!


49 posted on 08/11/2004 4:56:50 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam.)
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To: Maynard G. Krebbs

Thank you. You can look forward to more pix before the election. Click on my user ID to see my "Gallery".


50 posted on 08/11/2004 8:11:42 PM PDT by End_Clintonism_Now (MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL CLINTON!)
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