Posted on 08/11/2004 11:13:35 AM PDT by BJungNan
Kerry Led Outsourcing Team to Promote Manufacturing in China
During the late 1990s, John Kerry traveled on a "U.S. trade mission to the People's Republic of China organized and sponsored by a private corporation." To prove the trip was a success, the Massachusetts-based firm of Boston Capital & Technology photographed Kerry in the Beijing Great Hall of the People. The image (above) and trip information appear at www.us-china.com, Boston Capital's Website
The photo shows Kerry, an unnamed Chinese government official and Paul Marcus, the head of Boston Capital & Technology. Marcus refused to provide details of the China trip, including the time and date, whether the senator took money for his services, or the identity of the Chinese officials with whom Kerry met. "I am not doing an interview with you, and please don't call me again," Marcus declared.
The chief of Boston Capital and his Chinese-born wife, Moying Li, live in the same Beacon Hill district of Boston as Kerry, who used his half-interest in the family mansion to borrow $6.4 million to save his then-faltering presidential campaign.
While Marcus currently refuses to comment on the private trade trip to China, he does advertise his connection to Sen. Kerry on Boston Capital's Website, where Marcus claims that his firm was "China Advisor to U.S. Senator's commercial agenda for China." The Website goes on to says that Boston Capital: "Advised, assisted, and executed Minister-level commercial agenda for U.S. Senator. Advanced Senator in China for all Minister-level meetings, coordinated and acted as liaison to: The U.S. State Department, The U.S. Embassy in Beijing, The Department of Commerce, and all relevant Chinese authorities."
Corporate Website (Google Cached)
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But he has no problem helping them move there. Guess now that he has done that he wants to make money moving them back too!
Let's get this distributed to our friends and hopefully we will see a RNC ad!
What military connections did he visit while there?
Kerry promoted outsourcing before he voted against it.
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This ought to be devastating but unless it's on the front page of the Slimes, Wash Post, etc, then forget it.
But Bush-Cheney/RNC ads are another story. Plus Bush and Cheney have to push this at the convetion and in the debates. What an outrage.
Yes.
FYI, there was already a different variant of this thread posted here.
BTW, do you think the RNC ad will look anything like this:
Backdrop Hides `Made in China' Labels
Was the Photo-Op, (Made in China) Cover Up Involving Bush Intentional?
Is Bush’s Sombrero Made in China?
I agree with you. But, it will get picked up by at least shows like Hannity, Rush, Mr. "I want to be fair" O'Reilly. Likely the Washington Times and the New York Post will carry it also.
The New York Times, Washington Post, ABCBSNBCNNMSNBC will only pick up on the story when the Dems have come out and called it a "hate filled hit piece" and of course printing that as the lead.
I continue to believe the China Daily and CCTV are more objective in reporting world events than is the liberal media.
Or maybe like the DNC making Al Jazeera take down their banner at the DNC convention that was hanging behind the stage?
Yep, same thing, different label.
No biggie. If the Asians can manufacture something cheaper than we can, why should I be forced to purchase a higher priced American manufactured good?
The trick for American workers is to learn skills that are not readily outsourced.
AFL-CIO, are you listening?
Wait listen for it! I am hear a big flip flop coming! Got article... thanks for posting! :)
Great data and thanks for posting it!
The next time a few of the gloom and doomers start ranting on this subject, we need post this article.
Thanks to BJungman.
The trick for American workers is to work to get the government off the backs of the companies they work for. I remember a Pittsburgh area steel company (I belive it was LTV) that was fined $1 million dollars by the EPA. It always amazed me that the workers never came to the defence of the company, insisting that the $1 million be saved within the company instead of going into the government coffers.
Sticking to the issue at hand, Kerry needs to explain this trip. Why was he promoting U.S. manufacturing in China? Prediction time: How long will it take the media to get on to this story? FR is days ahead...again!
Where is John Huang when you need him!
Sire John, this deserves your magic pinger!
LOL--We need his sage review---was John Kerry hawking for some company desiring to outsource, was he merely seeking a co-operative business deal with no employee exchange, was he grubbing for Chinese Red Army Money ala al gore and billy klinton....and WHY won't the bank manager in Boston, who was THERE, answer these questions! LOL
Just show me how much that banker gave Kerry for his support.
OH yeah.....that is primo info.....wonder why the bank manager or owner or whatever is cowaring?? LOL
I am not doubting you, but where in the article does it detail the purpose of the trip? Thanks...
He is smart enough to know this is a big issue and he does not want to be the one to spill the beans. Sorry dude, the beans have been spilled.
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You can read it Here.
If you don't want to make the jump, here is what is says at the link.
"Boston Capital & Technology (BCT) recently held the first U.S. trade mission to the People's Republic of China organized and sponsored by a private corporation that was led by a U.S. Senator (That would be one John Kerry). To close the Mission, BCT hosted a banquet in Beijing's legendary Great Hall of the People. Through this Mission and dozens of other on the ground initiatives undertaken by BCT every year, BCT is able to advance their manufacturing projects in China, the projects of their partners and clients, and the position of dozens of other associated U.S. companies establishing positions throughout mainland China."
BCT is the company that Kerry went with to China. The link is Google cached as no doubt this site will soon be pulled.
That makes it pretty clear, doesn't it?
These guys,http://www.globalcrossing.com/xml/index.xml , carry a lot of the data that allows Customer Service from India. We all know the connection. It never gets mentioned.
Yes, it does. Thanks much & have a good night.
Do you mind if I copy your post (and thanks for the information-OUTSOURCING IS WHY THAT BANK MANAGER IN BOSTON WILL NOT GRANT AN INTERVIEW!) to send along with article to some folks?
Copy away. And it would be good if we could get this on a ping list.
Seems kerry will have to hide his activities along with this entire senate record and work hard to weave a new web of lies about his Vietnam service. It appears he is a man with a history of very bad judgements.
This isn't about the outsourcing so much as it is about the duplicity Kerry is displaying.
The part excerpted here isn't nearly the whole story. Here's more from the article:
Again, the full article at http://www.insightmag.com/news...jing-697573.shtml has even more details.
In fact, Marcus is a business partner with the China International Trust and Investment Corp. (CITIC), a firm closely associated with the Chinese military and included on the Website a picture of himself meeting with CITIC officials in China. "Boston Capital & Technology is a bilateral contractual affiliate of both the China Council for the Promotion of International Trade (CCPIT), China's largest trade organization, and the China International Trust and Investment Corporation (CITIC), China's largest investment organization," the Website says.CITIC is known as a front for the munitions manufacturer Poly Technologies Corp. According to a 1997 report prepared by the Rand Corporation, "Poly Technologies Ltd. was founded in 1984, ostensibly as a subsidiary of CITIC, although it was later exposed to be the primary commercial arm of the PLA [People's Liberation Army] General Staff Department's Equipment Sub-Department."
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The Rand report notes that CITIC's Poly Group once tried to smuggle machine guns into the United States: "Poly's U.S. subsidiaries were abruptly closed in August 1996. Allegedly, Poly's representative, Robert Ma, conspired with China North Industries Corporation's (NORINCO) representative, Richard Chen, and a number of businessmen in California to illegally import 2,000 AK-47s into the United States."
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While CITIC is reported by U.S. military authorities to be involved in the international sale of illegal arms it also is interested in obtaining advanced U.S. technology. The Boston Capital Website notes that the firm has been involved with the transfer of advanced U.S. space technology to China. Such references are viewed in the arms trade to have missile applications.
According to the Boston Capital Website, the company acted as a China adviser for a "U.S. High Technology Corporation's technology-transfer efforts in the People's Republic of China. They were responsible for technology transfer for full-scale manufacturing in China of technologies in telecommunications and satellites. ... Each production package sells for $15 [million] to $20 million. The Corporation has successfully transferred these [satellite] technologies to several Chinese manufacturers now in production."
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John Kerry frequently has stated that he has had contacts with high-ranking officials of foreign governments. Yet, the Kerry campaign is refusing to answer any questions about the candidate's privately sponsored trade trip to China or his relationship with Marcus. But it would appear that the presidential candidate has many friends at high levels in Beijing. The Chinese official Internet news outlet of the People's Daily, official newspaper of the Communist Party of China, recently endorsed the senator from Massachusetts for president of the United States.
I'm wondering how much money the Kerry campaign is getting from Chinese sources, laundered through American contacts like this Paul Marcus guy. And how much Chinese money is going to 527 groups for "independent" ads that support Kerry and bash Bush.
Also, you have to wonder how much business and weapons technology the Chinese will get in return from a potential Kerry administration. It would be good to have the answers to some of these questions before election day, so we don't have 1996 all over again.
Teplukin wrote:The problem is that our government won't let Americans make things as cheaply as the Asians can.
No biggie. If the Asians can manufacture something cheaper than we can, why should I be forced to purchase a higher priced American manufactured good?The trick for American workers is to learn skills that are not readily outsourced.
In America, the government won't let companies pay their manufacturing employees $0.25 an hour (or less). That's the norm in China.
In America, the government won't let factories dump their untreated industrial waste into the rivers. That's the norm in China.
In America, it's nearly impossible to get a coal fired power plant or coal powered manufacturing facility running, and if you do want to use coal for power, you have to spend millions of dollars on emissions control equipment to keep the air clean. China is the #1 user of coal, and they use cheap, dirty coal, and the air quality is terrible and they contribute to acid rain all over the Pacific rim.
Personally, I think we've gone too far with regulations in this country, and many environmental and labor regs should be scaled back some. But we should also use tarriffs and embargoes to level the playing field. If it's wrong to buy products from an American company that pollutes or exploits labor, it's wrong to buy those same products from a Chinese company that pollutes or exploits their labor.
No, no, no. You got it all wrong. Kerry simply does it better than Bush would, more nuanced and sensitive. Also, he has a plan to create even more jobs than are outsourced, but he can't tell you about it until he's in office. Don't ask questions, just get with the pogrom and vote Kerry.
Kerry has no credibility at all. But I can tell you exactly what he will say before he says it.
Let me paraphrase...
"we should not isolate China. That means we shouldn't cut China off. We should have a trade relationship with them to help them progress...but we should enforce WTO and other agreements..."
The question is how will he enforce the rules? Is he going to say "Bush is bossing China around too much"?
Thats exactly what he will say.
You will notice that no one is arguing for cutting China off...
For me the best theory in dealing with China on an official level is talk softly but carry a big stick.
I see where you are coming from. But how is labor exploitation defined? $15 a day might be exploitation in America, yet nonetheless represent a decent wage in China.
Beyond that, any tariffs would fight a losing battle against capitalism and globalization, the two strongest economic forces in the world today. Capital flows to where it can get the greatest bang for the buck. For manufacturing that place is Asia, which has a talented, abundant & low-cost labor pool.
We have chosen to ride the bronco called capitalism. It provides an exhilerating ride, but can be painful if you fall off & are trampled underfoot.
Certainly correct. I'm still troubled that Kerry is grandstanding on this issue of outsourcing and he was leading the charge to help companies set up in China. Where is the press on this.
Perhaps this trade mission Kerry was about outsourcing. But we need more info than this article provides, before reaching such a conclusion. Not all US manufacturers who set up overseas are outsourcing.
Teplukin wrote:OK, why is it fair for the Chinese or the Koreans to tell American companies that if they want to sell their products in China or Korea, they must manufacture goods in China or Korea, but it's not fair for the US to tell the Chinese or the Koreans that if they want to sell their products in the USA, they must manufacture goods in the USA?
The posted article does not mention outsourcing. There are other possibilities also. Remember, many companies want to sell to the Asian market. To achieve that, gov'ts require the company to manufacture the goods in Korea/China/India, respectively.
Why are you in favor of one situation, but opposed to the reciprocal situation?
Perhaps this trade mission Kerry was about outsourcing. But we need more info than this article provides, before reaching such a conclusion. Not all US manufacturers who set up overseas are outsourcing.
The original post in this thread contains a link to the website of the corporation involved with Senator Kerry on this trade mission. Here is the text from the company web site. It seems pretty clear but you can judge for yourself.
Boston Capital & Technology (BCT) recently held the first U.S. trade mission to the People's Republic of China organized and sponsored by a private corporation that was led by a U.S. Senator [John Kerry]. To close the Mission, BCT hosted a banquet in Beijing's legendary Great Hall of the People.
Through this Mission and dozens of other on the ground initiatives undertaken by BCT every year, BCT is able to advance their manufacturing projects in China, the projects of their partners and clients, and the position of dozens of other associated U.S. companies establishing positions throughout mainland China."
Certainly the word outsourcing is being loosly used these days. But you are correct that companies set up in China to supply the Chinese market. However, my experience with several companies setting up in China, even if to supply the Chinese market, is that a percentage of their business will also be derived from export sales. This will be out of necessity; The Chinese market is a very tough place to rely on for 100 percent of a factories capacity. Most often those export sales are back to the parent company in the U.S.
And that will look like outsourcing by any definition.
But your question is a good one. What exactly does this sentence mean from the BCT website?: "BCT is able to advance their manufacturing projects in China, the projects of their partners and clients, and the position of dozens of other associated U.S. companies establishing positions throughout mainland China."
Are these U.S. Jobs going overseas. I think it is safe to conclude so. "...manufacturing projects in China." being the operative phrase that can be relied on for this conclusion. What do you think?
What is the name of the head honcho there? Think I will give him a call tomorrow.
Kerry Ties to Boston Company Boasting Over 70 Outsourcing Projects In China
John Kerry, who has made opposition to corporate outsourcing of U.S. jobs to places like China a major part of his presidential campaign, appears to have had major involvement with a Boston, Massachusetts company specializing in outsourcing of U.S. manufacturing and jobs.
Two points here:
1. This site has the data and probably will not disappear.
2. Whenever good data comes up from what is or could be from a liberal site, we should save the entire data here on Free or another server.
Lanny Davis and his boys are monitoring FR 24/7 to help Kerry. Whenever, they see something posted that could hurt Kerry from Kerry's website or another liberal site. they will make moves to have it deleted.
So to prevent loss of this data, we must post it to Free Republic and other servers.
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/07/19/National/Chinese.Kerry.Out.John.Kerrys.Private.Trade.Trip.To.Beijing-697573.shtml
Chinese Kerry Out: John Kerry's Private Trade Trip to Beijing
Posted August 6, 2004
By Charles R. Smith
The Kerry campaign currently is struggling with recent photographs of the candidate, one dressed in a "bunny" suit at NASA and another on the bow of a ferry imitating a famous scene from the movie Titanic. However, a new photograph has emerged showing the Massachusetts senator in Beijing, People's Republic of China, working with a company associated with the Chinese military. The Kerry campaign and the Kerry Senate office both are refusing to comment on the Democratic presidential candidate's privately sponsored trade trip to China. Repeated phone calls both to Kerry's campaign headquarters and his Senate office were not returned.
During the late 1990s, John Kerry traveled on a "U.S. trade mission to the People's Republic of China organized and sponsored by a private corporation." The Kerry trip to Beijing was topped off with a "banquet in Beijing's legendary Great Hall of the People." To prove the trip was a success, the Massachusetts-based firm of Boston Capital & Technology photographed Kerry in the Beijing Great Hall of the People. The image and trip information appear at www.us-china.com, Boston Capital's Website
The photo shows Kerry, an unnamed Chinese government official and Paul Marcus, the head of Boston Capital & Technology. Marcus also refused to provide details of the China trip, including the time and date, whether the senator took money for his services, or the identity of the Chinese officials with whom Kerry met. "I am not doing an interview with you, and please don't call me again," Marcus declared.
The chief of Boston Capital and his Chinese-born wife, Moying Li, live in the same Beacon Hill district of Boston as Kerry, who used his half-interest in the family mansion to borrow $6.4 million to save his then-faltering presidential campaign.
While Marcus currently refuses to comment on the private trade trip to China, he does advertise his connection to Sen. Kerry on Boston Capital's Website, where Marcus claims that his firm was "China Advisor to U.S. Senator's commercial agenda for China." The Website goes on to says that Boston Capital: "Advised, assisted, and executed Minister-level commercial agenda for U.S. Senator. Advanced Senator in China for all Minister-level meetings, coordinated and acted as liaison to: The U.S. State Department, The U.S. Embassy in Beijing, The Department of Commerce, and all relevant Chinese authorities."
The Chinese Army Bank: In fact, Marcus is a business partner with the China International Trust and Investment Corp. (CITIC), a firm closely associated with the Chinese military and included on the Website a picture of himself meeting with CITIC officials in China. "Boston Capital & Technology is a bilateral contractual affiliate of both the China Council for the Promotion of International Trade (CCPIT), China's largest trade organization, and the China International Trust and Investment Corporation (CITIC), China's largest investment organization," the Website says.
CITIC is known as a front for the munitions manufacturer Poly Technologies Corp. According to a 1997 report prepared by the Rand Corporation, "Poly Technologies Ltd. was founded in 1984, ostensibly as a subsidiary of CITIC, although it was later exposed to be the primary commercial arm of the PLA [People's Liberation Army] General Staff Department's Equipment Sub-Department." The Rand report continues: "Throughout the 1980s, Poly sold hundreds of millions of dollars of largely surplus arms around the world, exporting to customers in Thailand, Burma, Iran, Pakistan and the United States. ... CITIC does enter into business partnerships with and provide logistical assistance to PLA and defense-industrial companies like Poly."
The Rand report notes that CITIC's Poly Group once tried to smuggle machine guns into the United States: "Poly's U.S. subsidiaries were abruptly closed in August 1996. Allegedly, Poly's representative, Robert Ma, conspired with China North Industries Corporation's (NORINCO) representative, Richard Chen, and a number of businessmen in California to illegally import 2,000 AK-47s into the United States."
Poly Technologies was run by international arms dealer Wang Jun and his "princeling" friend, the powerful He Ping, son-in-law of long-time Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping. The Rand Corporation noted that "Wang Jun is both director of CITIC and Chairman of Poly Group, the arms-trading company of the General Staff Department."
In 1996, Poly Chairman Wang Jun met with President Bill Clinton inside the White House with convicted Chinagate figure Charlie Trie, who donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the 1996 Clinton/Gore campaign from Red Chinese sources. The Democratic Party later returned much of this donated money.
Satellites for China: While CITIC is reported by U.S. military authorities to be involved in the international sale of illegal arms it also is interested in obtaining advanced U.S. technology. The Boston Capital Website notes that the firm has been involved with the transfer of advanced U.S. space technology to China. Such references are viewed in the arms trade to have missile applications.
According to the Boston Capital Website, the company acted as a China adviser for a "U.S. High Technology Corporation's technology-transfer efforts in the People's Republic of China. They were responsible for technology transfer for full-scale manufacturing in China of technologies in telecommunications and satellites. ... Each production package sells for $15 [million] to $20 million. The Corporation has successfully transferred these [satellite] technologies to several Chinese manufacturers now in production."
It should come as no surprise that Marcus' partner in Beijing, CITIC, also owns a controlling interest in the Hong Kong-based Asia Satellite Telecom Co. Ltd. (AsiaSat). Founded in 1988, AsiaSat operates several communications satellites in the Far East bought from U.S. manufacturers including Hughes. According to Aviation Week and Space Technology, in addition to direct TV broadcasts, AsiaSat satellites regularly carry communications traffic for Chinese military units and Chinese military-owned companies.
Sweet Deal Turns Sour: Not all of the Marcus projects in Communist China have turned out so sweet. In 1998 the U.S. Department of Agriculture gave Marcus a $77,000 contract to produce a report on the cranberry market in China. By 2001, Marcus had spun the contract and report into a deal to put Massachusetts-based Ocean Spray in business with China's largest juice company, perhaps looking to find markets and perhaps outsourcing a traditional American industry.
According to an article published in March 2001 by the Beijing Business Wire, "Under an agreement with the Beijing Huiyuan Beverage Group, Ocean Spray, the number-one brand of canned and bottled juice drinks in the U.S., will grant a 10-year license to Huiyuan for the Ocean Spray brand and technology." The official Beijing business report stated that Ocean Spray "made its initial contact with Huiyuan through the consulting firm Boston Capital & Technology, which had a personal working relationship with its chairman, Zhu. Their rapport with Huiyuan management helped secure the agreement."
Critics of the Ocean Spray deal quickly warned that Huiyuan Beverage readily could become a global competitor. According to the Huiyuan Website, the Chinese beverage company imported more than 40 advanced sterile filling lines, and set up two juice-extracting plants and six filling factories. The cranberry deal with China turned sour. Today, Ocean Spray officials refuse to comment on the 2001 China deal with Huiyuan. Ocean Spray no longer lists Huiyuan as a partner or as an official outlet of its products. In fact, Ocean Spray does not list any outlet for its products in China, and China is a major producer of cranberries and a major juice competitor.
Many Faces, No Answers: Who Marcus was working for in the juice case is not entirely clear, but he has completed several other sweet deals. Marcus is the founder of a number of firms that do business with Beijing, including not only Boston Capital & Technology but Boston Business Consulting, Massachusetts-Guangdong Committee Inc. and China Development Holdings Ltd.
The Marcus business savvy also extends far beyond China. He once sold the Webpage name bbc.com to the British Broadcasting Corp. for about $350,000. The Boston-based consultant also has time for the arts. He and his wife are listed as founders of the nonprofit American Friends of the National Gallery of the Cayman Islands, a lovely place notorious for hiding and laundering money.
John Kerry frequently has stated that he has had contacts with high-ranking officials of foreign governments. Yet, the Kerry campaign is refusing to answer any questions about the candidate's privately sponsored trade trip to China or his relationship with Marcus. But it would appear that the presidential candidate has many friends at high levels in Beijing. The Chinese official Internet news outlet of the People's Daily, official newspaper of the Communist Party of China, recently endorsed the senator from Massachusetts for president of the United States.
Charles R. Smith is an investigative reporter specializing in military and information technology.
Kerry has done so many bad anti America/American things in the past 4 decades, he needs to remove all data from the past and put a gag rule on the witnesses or buy them out.
Also, add this story to your links
John Kerry, who has made opposition to corporate outsourcing of U.S. jobs to places like China a major part of his presidential campaign, appears to have had major involvement with a Boston, Massachusetts company specializing in outsourcing of U.S. manufacturing and jobs.
During the late 1990's, Kerry led at least one of the company's outsourcing trade missions to China, appearing for photos at a banquet in Beijing with representatives of Boston Capital & Technology and unidentified Chinese trade representatives.
Some of the projects undertaken by Boston Capital & Technology include setting up tool & die manufacturing in China, high technology transfers for China telecommunication companies, highly specialized commercial software utilized in computer aided manufacturing, set up in China of manufacturing for an infants gifts company with 12,000 U.S. retail outlets and manufacturer in China of products for the US home healthcare market.
Update from http://gogov.com/kerryoutsourcing1.htm
Lest this bit about sKerry's outsourcing flip-flopping get lost in the shuffle...
Kerry criticizes job outsourcing
Kansas City Star (subscription), MO - 18 hours ago
... to ship jobs overseas — jobs that have good wages and benefits,” Kerry said in ... Most experts say that outsourcing isn't to blame for many of the 1.1 million ...
Google news search under "Kerry Outsourcing"
Not only is it lost in the shuffle, his is all over the news as being opposed to the very thing he went on a trade mission to set up.
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