Skip to comments.INSTAPUNDIT HAS PICTURE OF EXACT PAGE, CITATION AND CONTEXT OF KERRY'S SPEECH ABOUT CAMBODIA
Posted on 08/11/2004 12:16:52 PM PDT by areafiftyone
TOM MAGUIRE has already posted John Kerry's speech claiming to have been in Cambodia on Christmas day, 1968. But because this is a question of importance, and because some people might doubt the veracity of quotations pasted in from NEXIS, I thought I'd go to the law library and check it myself in hardcopy. (The law library was closed and the copiers were off, but I have a key, and -- let this be another lesson to bloggers everywhere -- a digital camera).
Here's a link to a larger version showing the exact page citation and context.
The evidence that Kerry wasn't in Cambodia seems pretty strong (see Tom Maguire's post, along with this letter) which makes Kerry's claim all the more difficult to understand.
It's possible, of course, that there's an innocent explanation for this, even if I can't quite think of one. Maybe Kerry was on a double-secret mission to Cambodia, such that everyone involved continues to deny it today. Except, inexplicably, for Kerry. . . . Or maybe his memory failed him -- though there's that "seared--seared--in" language to contend with when considering that hypothesis. Or he could just have been bragging. Your call. Personally, I remain more interested in what Kerry would do regarding the current war, but since he invites us to judge him on his Vietnam record, evidence that he might not be telling the truth about that record is obviously relevant.
At any rate, posting this should remove any doubt about what Kerry said, if not about what he did.
UPDATE: More here, including another Kerry quote on the same subject.
ANOTHER UPDATE: Reader Wayne Seibert emails: "You forgot about Kerry's mission to kill Col. Kurtz."
YET ANOTHER UPDATE: Several readers wonder why, if Kerry is really lying about having been in Cambodia on Christmas Day, 1968, somebody hasn't made something of it before? Beats me.
On the other hand, if it were false, you'd expect somebody from the Democratic spin machine to be coming forth with evidence that Kerry was in Cambodia then. But what did I get in the daily "Media Matters" email? A complaint that Bill O'Reilly compared Media Matters to the Klan.
MORE: Brian Rogge emails: "A blogger with a key and a digital camera? There's a novel there somewhere. Someone tell Roger Simon!"
Yes, as I photographed the pages with my little camera in the darkened library, it did make me think of old spy thrillers. Though only a particularly masochistic spy would copy the Congressional Record.
STILL MORE: More reports of Kerry's absence from Cambodia.
I don't think he can double talk that one!
Is another flip-flop in the making?
Didn't Kerry also say it was President Nixon who sent him to Cambodia? Never mind that Nixon wasn't President yet!
Following the link the article states that hanoi john wouldn't have been able to tell the khmer rouge from the NVC especially in the DARK. That the early khmer rouge wore NVC clothing.
The SOCIALIST Workers party of America, with their comrads, the Communist Party of America and the Democrat Party are ALL THE SAME.
The Kerry-enablers and the shills in Big Media can spin and smear all they want- this subject is not going the way of Kathleen Wiley's cat- it has nine lives.
Everyone who gives a rip about honesty, and truth, and free speech, should give the SBV's a few dollars- it probably better spent and leveraged than money to politicians.
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Thanks for the crosslink. I was hoping someone would save this for future reference.
[ ...and the more I see of this nonsense, the more accurate I believe my tagline to be... ]
LOL - I think that line says it all.
Well obviouly somthing was "seared, seared" into John Kerry but it was not first-hand recollections of Cambodia. wow what a bunch of ....
This guy used a pack of lies to attach the US and its brave servicemen and women on returning and he finally got caught. He would say anything to play the role of Hanoi Jane- the rerun and did. (Of course if he didn't lie, then he really should be tried as a war criminal for the atrocities he claims to have committed).
And the left embraces this??!!!
You are too generous. Neurons? Plural? *snicker*
Yeah--Nixon took office mid-January 1969. So who supposidly sent Kerry into Cambodia "illegally"???
Yep a Rat.
Obviously Conclusion even for a liberal--just can't trust those RATS with the presidency. Not then--not now.
Read the clause preceeding Kerry's quotes in the smaller picture - it's clear his quoted statement was in the context of the preceeding clause in which he was referring exclusively to Nixon by name (instapundit screwed up on that one by only focusing on the exact language from SwiftVet book)
I'm wondering if the memory that was seared into Kerry's mind wasn't a hallucination from seeing Apocalypse Now 5000 times.
Apparently Kerry has mistaken himself for the character in the movie. That's pretty S'kerry.
Thanks for this thread.
Kerry is a damned liar.
Kerry remembers the following things:
Okay? Now you silly people think that all of these recollections all the same and that the phrase "seared in me" refers to all of the recollections; but it only (would parse Kerry) refers to that last memory. But let's go beyond that, which statement is a lie?
#1? Well, he could say that he was mistaken and thought he was in Cambodia, but gee-whiz I guess he was wrong. No lie, just a mistake.
#2? Nope he was certainly shot at by the Vietnames.
#3? Nope - he THOUGHT they were Cambodians, but he was wrong - see #1.
#4? Nope - once again he thought they were Khmer Rouge, but, well, fog of war and all that.
#5? Nope - He certainly remembers the President saying that there were no troops in Cambodia - oh and don't confuse the issue by stating that Nixon wasn't president in December of 1968. The date 1968 only refers to Kerry sitting in the boat, not the date at which Nixon talked about Cambodia.
#6? Nope, see the refutation for #5.
#7? Nope, his seared-in memory only refers to the memory that we should not have another Vietnam - not the memories outlined in #1 through #6.
See how it easy it is? You don't really believe there is such a thing as truth do you?
His statement implies it was Nixon, who in 1970 denied an incursion into Cambodia to get at the enemies' safe bases.
Love the context. Arguing against aid to the Contra's because it would lead to a deeper American involvement ( against his friends the Sandanista's). Of course the first chance the people of Nicaraugua got to vote on the issue ( forced by the Contra rebellion ) they tossed the Sandi's out on their ear. This guy Is ALWAYS on the wrong side of the issues.
Maybe the moderator could change the title on this thread to something like: Comprehensive Thread for Various Versions of Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia Stories.
We need one good comprehensive thread [this thread?] that has all the 'Christmas in Cambodia' links and Kerry's various versions and statements about it.
We can add this thread to these other compilations:
John Kerry's Flip Flops (extensive documentation)
John Kerry's leadership - FOUR bills passed in 19 years. (4 resolutions as well)
What Kerry Said and What You Need to Know ("MUST READ")
Policy Memo: Progress on Homeland Security (Most of Kerry's proposals already done...)
Instapundit Has Pictures of Exact Page, Citation and Context of Kerry's Speech about Cambodia
[Comprehensive Thread for Various Versions of Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia Stories.]
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they're doing great work over there too!
It certainly looks as though Kerry never was in Cambodia; even his camp now seems to be saying that he was only "near" the country. So, would it not be considered perjury to go on to the floor of the Senate and enter into the records statements which you knew were false, just as it would if you made those statements under oath in court? On the other hand, if he really didn't know that he wasn't in Cambodia (yeah, right), does he have any regrets, shame even, and maybe even some feelings of embarrassment, about creating such a tempest in a teacup, maligning a US president, discrediting our war efforts, and giving encouragement to those who were always ready to believe the worst about our eforts in southeast asia?.......
Actually, if you think about the film "The Manchurian Candidate" the brainwashed implanted "memories" are quite vivid. In fact, they are "seared" into their memories.
Has anyone flashed a Queen of Hearts card at John Kerry?
Extract from synopsis of original film:
It begins with an astonishing, nightmarish gut-punch of a scene, with Captain Marco (Sinatra) and his unit sitting around a hotel lobby listening to a bunch of old ladies talking about flowers. The camera circles around 360 degrees; when we reach the starting point again, the old ladies have changed into a band of sinister-looking enemy soldiers and we learn of a terrible brain-washing plot. We even learn that dedicated American soldiers can be coaxed to kill one of their own with little or no trouble.
The unit comes home with the story imbedded in their heads that Raymond Shaw (Laurence Harvey) saved their lives. Shaw wins the Congressional Medal of Honor, which his mother (Angela Lansbury) and stepfather, Senator John Iselin (James Gregory), begin to use to their advantage in the upcoming campaign.
Shaw has been hypnotized into a fearless, remorseless assassin; his trigger is the red queen in a deck of cards. His brainwashing is so effective that he kills his one true love, Jocelyn (Leslie Parrish) and her gentle father Senator Jordan (John McGiver) -- Raymond's mother's sworn enemy.
Meanwhile, Marco has been plagued with terrible nightmares and suspects that everything may not be peachy-keen.
Sound familiar? So, why is it only members of his crew support him? Could it be that they were captured, programmed and then returned? Enquiring minds want to know.
Seriously, there are some times when movies unintentionally provide a perfect mirror of real life right at the time they are released. The China Syndrome is one. Wag the Dog is another. Is the newly released remake of The Manchurian Candidate, are we seeing another unintended synchronicity?
ALWAYS... and if Kerry ever told me the sun was shining,I'd run and get an umbrella!
The MSM will ignored it.
Thank you for reading my mind. Now tell me what am I thinking...NOW!
"Kerry is a damned liar."
What is that quote? Lies, damned liars and statistics. ??
Something like that. Following the progression in the quote, Kerry is on his way to becoming a statistic.
BUMP and Forward Later.
Kerry Update: "I have that memory which is seared - seared - in me of being with Marlon Brando and Martin Sheen in Cambodia. I remember Martin Sheen very clearly killing Marlon Brando with a machete and the smell of napalm in the morning...However, I am unable to remember when that was exactly or any other details unless someone shows me the Queen of Diamonds... I also have memories of secret missions into North Korea, Manchuria, and China
with Frank Sinatra and Denzel Washington...where I saved every man in my unit from hostile helicopter fire."
Senators and Members of Congress are not under oath when they speak on the floor. If you testify before them, you are under oath, but they can lie all they want. They can preface their questions to you with lies that make you look bad, but if you make the slightest misstatement, you can be held accountable. They can demand that you answer, under oath, a question that bears directly on pending litigation (e.g. is tobacco addictive?), and you must answer truthfully.
Kerry is very cavalier about his truthfulness while testifying. He did say to Tim Russert that he was young and some of the comments were cover the top (admitting to lying as far as I am concerned). He did admit some turned out not to be true ... and others did turn out to be true.
What an odd approach to the truth!
I recall that, as the boat was going up river into Cambodia, there were lights strung across one of the bridges, fireworks going off, and drunk or drugged-up soldiers firing wildly. It could have been Christmas. However, I haven't seen Apocalypse Now for many years.
thought it was queen of diamonds in Manchurian Candidate
Thanks - I was dumb to have thought the government would have acted in any other way......
O'Neill has been on Fox News a lot and he is very credible!
Thanks SmartA, I read about that yesterday. With all the dorky pictures Kerry has been posing for, and the Swift Vets, I imagine his 'handlers' are having fits!!
The searing was "vivid" and "painful" b/c the K-flopper, being a leftist, cares and feels. Not in a primitive troglodytic way like some people are limited to. Hey, X42i could have been traumatized by church burnings if there had been any! He would have seen the nuances! It's much more about their wonderfulness than some technical thing like facts and whether it really happened.
John Kerry wrote his Review for "Apocalypse Now" on Oct 14, 1979 in the Boston Herald.
Here is the article in JPG format.
Except if they can accuse the president of being a liar. They make me ashamed to share my country with them. They are like a bad relative who keeps showing up at your door step and expecting you to stop everything and give heed to their cause. They are like goats in a field all eaten up and then turn on their care takers. I am sick and tired of the entire lot.