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Another Passenger from Flight 327 Steps Forward With Disturbing New Details(Part V)
Womens Wall Street ^ | 8/12/04 | Annie Jacobsen

Posted on 08/11/2004 10:32:23 PM PDT by sockmonkey

This is Part V of the ongoing series entitled “Terror in the Skies, Again?”

A few days ago, WomensWallStreet.com received an important email. It was from Billie Jo Rodriguez, another passenger who was on Northwest Airlines flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on June 29. Billie Jo is a Certified Public Accountant living in Oxnard, California. She had some additional, disturbing information about flight 327 that she felt someone needed to know. She had been so terrified by what happened on the flight that she sent two emails to the Department of Homeland Security telling them about the experience, but she hadn't heard back from them. Then, through a series of events, she heard about my article, "Terror in the Skies, Again?" She and I have had numerous conversations and she is willing to share her story on the record. The following interview is based on conversations Billie Jo and I have had, as well as a discussion she had with my editor.

ANNIE: Where were you sitting on flight 327?
BILLIE JO: I was in seat 21-C. Three of the Middle Eastern men were sitting right near me --- the man in the jogging suit [with Arabic writing] was in the aisle seat right behind me (22C), another man from the group sat right next to me (21-B) and another man from the group sat one row in front of me (20-E).

ANNIE: Tell me what the men were doing that was out of the ordinary?
BILLIE JO: It was when we were up in the air and they started walking up and down the aisles. And the eye contact. The thing that really got me was the eye contact. It was so subtle. If you know somebody, you look at them. You nod your head.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesafety; airplanes; anniejacobsen; det; dhs; dryrun; fam; fbi; flight327; homelandsecurity; ice; jacobsen; jihadinamerica; koranimals; lax; northwest327; nw327; nwa327; probe; terrorintheskies; terrorists; waronterror
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This passenger reported that the Syrian who spent 10 minutes in the first class lav returned to his seat smelling of chemicals.
1 posted on 08/11/2004 10:32:25 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey

Oh, but these are innocent musicians, people who follow the Religion of Peace! They are artists! Surely they could have no evil designs on Americans, despite the fact that their leader writes songs about how great it is to be a suicide bomber. Nothing to worry about here; I believe the air marshals. You bet. Sure.


2 posted on 08/11/2004 10:39:19 PM PDT by Capriole (DO NOT WRITE IN THIS SPACE. FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)
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To: sockmonkey
"This passenger reported that the Syrian who spent 10 minutes in the first class lav returned to his seat smelling of chemicals."

Toilet chemicals. She said he reeked of the toilet bowl cleanser.

Pretty odd, all told.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

3 posted on 08/11/2004 10:40:38 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Capriole; sockmonkey

bump and thanks. Interesting, indeed!


4 posted on 08/11/2004 10:41:40 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: sockmonkey

He probably washed his hair in the chemical toilet. They are a perverse lot.


5 posted on 08/11/2004 10:46:00 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sockmonkey

Let's keep digging BUMP . . .


6 posted on 08/11/2004 10:56:12 PM PDT by LikeLight (__________________________)
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To: sockmonkey

BTTT


7 posted on 08/11/2004 10:57:01 PM PDT by Brad's Gramma (If only hamsters could vote.......)
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To: sheik yerbouty
...Or was sticking his arm down the toilet drain attempting to find something...

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

8 posted on 08/11/2004 11:00:55 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: sockmonkey

My considered opinion based on the evidence is that this incident was deliberate, with the intent -- at least -- to probe and determine when air marshalls will respond. These musicians are pro-jihadist scum, without one reasonable doubt. Someone has to stand up and start the ball rolling in this kind of case; tell the foreign travellers to knock it off. Risk a fight, confront them.


9 posted on 08/11/2004 11:07:03 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: potlatch

PING


10 posted on 08/11/2004 11:08:42 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: sockmonkey

Okay heres the question.... Has ANYONE checked the septic tank on this plane for a Bomb that could have been placed with a long timer waterproofed and stuck into the toilet ( either by removing and replacing the toilet) or flushed?


11 posted on 08/11/2004 11:09:04 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Southack

Well! I feel safer!


12 posted on 08/11/2004 11:09:58 PM PDT by null and void (Want to live in a socialist state now? Vote (D). Want to live in a socialist state soon? Vote (R)...)
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To: Unknowing
The worst case scenario is that these guys were terrorists on a test-run (or aborted mission). The best case scenario is that they were a bunch of musicians that deliberately behaved suspiciously to frighten the passengers. Remember shortly after 9/11 when that woman in Florida called the authorities because she'd overheard some muslim men in a restaurant talking cryptically about some terrorist plot? The men had seen a white woman looking at them suspiciously, got ticked off and then intentionally started acting like they were up to something so as to scare her further. I would wager that there are a lot of jackasses like that.

What does not seem even remotely plausible to me is that these guys are just the victims of a huge misunderstanding.

13 posted on 08/11/2004 11:13:44 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: sockmonkey; StillProud2BeFree

My computer was down at the time....so I missed it myself; but I believe we have a freeper here who interviewed the woman from the Story.

Ping, StillProud2beFree. Do you have this on tape? Did the interview happen? I will host it on my server for other freepers to listen if we can get it.


Thanks!


14 posted on 08/11/2004 11:20:34 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Junior_G

This needs investigation.


15 posted on 08/11/2004 11:21:43 PM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Junior_G

This needs investigation.


16 posted on 08/11/2004 11:21:43 PM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Junior_G

This needs investigation.


17 posted on 08/11/2004 11:21:48 PM PDT by Poundstone
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To: sockmonkey
This passenger reported that the Syrian who spent 10 minutes in the first class lav returned to his seat smelling of chemicals.

Maybe it was just cheap cologne:


18 posted on 08/11/2004 11:24:35 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: diotima
Ping.

19 posted on 08/11/2004 11:29:06 PM PDT by AnnaZ (No </ > to the sarcasm in sight.)
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To: Unknowing
My considered opinion based on the evidence is that this incident was deliberate, with the intent -- at least -- to probe and determine when air marshalls will respond.

The crew, with or without marshals, should have tied those "pranksters?" hand and foot, stowed them in the overhead bins, and delivered them to police when they arrived. If you can get busted in an airport for packing a more decorative than dangerous cake knife in your carry on luggage, there should be absolutely no humor bestowed upon shenanigans like this WHILE ON THE PLANE.

20 posted on 08/11/2004 11:41:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Junior_G
The best case scenario is that they were a bunch of musicians that deliberately behaved suspiciously to frighten the passengers.

Yes, it looks like a prank. A prank which should have been viewed with the same sense of humor that jokes in airports about bombs are.

21 posted on 08/11/2004 11:43:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Unknowing
I agree. This was a "probe."
22 posted on 08/11/2004 11:46:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: sockmonkey; Domestic Church; Askel5; Romulus; american colleen; sandyeggo; saradippity; NYer

BIG PING


23 posted on 08/11/2004 11:50:25 PM PDT by Maeve ('Allah Akbar' means "God has no son" - It is an anti-Christian hate slogan.)
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To: sockmonkey

Bump to read.


24 posted on 08/11/2004 11:52:48 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (Hey, RNC! Get Bob Dylan to sing "Saving Grace" at the Convention!)
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To: sockmonkey
Boy- doesn't this sound like the investigation into JFK's assassination??

"no mama, you just think you saw gun smoke from the ridge"
25 posted on 08/12/2004 12:01:28 AM PDT by RepublicanHostageinCalif (Want to know what Dems can do? Just look what they did to Calif)
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To: sockmonkey

Thanks for posting this. Had I been on the plane I know nature would have been taking its course in my pants. I hope Annie keeps the pressure on. The passengers on the plane weren't hallucinating. Something was up. Just one or two questions for anyone that knows. What kind of weapons do the air marshalls carry? Had these guys attempted something, would the air marshalls been able to take on 14 of them? The part about them being in such is a big group like that is worrying.


26 posted on 08/12/2004 12:23:37 AM PDT by beaversmom (Michael Medved has the Greatest radio show on GOD's Green Earth)
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To: sockmonkey
This article has been posted to DoctorZin’s New News Blog!


27 posted on 08/12/2004 12:45:25 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: sheik yerbouty

Self inflicted swirly?


28 posted on 08/12/2004 12:47:27 AM PDT by jaykay (diagonally parked in a parallel universe)
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To: sockmonkey

While not discounting a "Clark Griswald airplane toilet" episode:

The people who run Women's Wall Street are friggin' maroons of the first order. They know it, they are afraid of burnrate at the moment, and will do anything, I mean anything to stir up (cheap) publicity and more webpage hits to try to at least maintain their advertising and co-branding accounts. Which puts them on the order fo many other less reputable websites posted here. None the less, these people are attempting "Oprah" like mass hysteria, with really lousy ability to do so. This could single handedly be the stupidest thing I've ever read, and I read fark.com daily.


29 posted on 08/12/2004 1:04:31 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

I think it is more likely that they are reponding to attmepts to discredit them.

For example, that reporter who supposedly found the "Syrian Wayne Newton" playing a casino in California. OK, so we have SOME idea who SOME of the musicians are. Now how plausible is it that a third tier casino in Nowhere, CA will pay enough to fund 12 musicians flying cross country to play a 2-day gig? Musicians on that level ride the hound.

The sheeple are being told to go back to sleep. I welcome this continued effort to wake them up.


30 posted on 08/12/2004 2:48:13 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: sockmonkey
Is it just me or what?

If I had been on that plane and saw stuff like is being stated, I would exit my seat and go back to the galley and talk to the flight attendants about my suspicions.

And I would not have returned to my seat. I think it would be time to gather up a few big boys on the plane and confront those guys telling them to sit down and not get out of their seats again until it's time to exit the plane.

Piss your pants if you have to, basically.

Don't know about you all, but I ain't going down in a plane without having the pleasure of hurting someone that is causing it to happen. Where's the cowboy spirit these days. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Sit down or I'll kick yer butt!

Sue me, but I'll still be alive.

31 posted on 08/12/2004 3:09:59 AM PDT by Tactical
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Travis McGee

Prank or probe or whatever, this was not funny. PC must end and these people should not feel free to do such things.


32 posted on 08/12/2004 3:22:05 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: sockmonkey

bttt


33 posted on 08/12/2004 3:23:04 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Calpernia

Yes, I do have the interview on tape. I will post it later today if anyone would like to have access to it.


34 posted on 08/12/2004 3:34:13 AM PDT by StillProud2BeFree
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To: Junior_G

Your best case scenario sounds the most plausible. Wearing openly, clothing with "Arabic-style" writing on it screams "Look at me! I'm not from around these parts! I may be up to no good, as if you couldn't already tell by my 'furtive glances!'" Same type of behavior you see in punk kids at the mall wearing some outlandishly vulgar t-shirt.

They were wanting attention and they got it.


35 posted on 08/12/2004 3:39:42 AM PDT by Per-Ling
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To: eno_
I'm not trying to ridicule their immediate reaction, as Tactical stated, my reaction also might be very confrontational, to the point of arrest. BUT, they printed this without verification, or any journalistic legwork after the event. And, now that the story has washed out, ala the "Syrian Wayne Newton" articles, it's really sad to be continuing this any further, this posted article above is some sad defensive response from a person in way over their head. Someone personally, should have told them to let it go by now. Now they are flailing about like fish out of water.
36 posted on 08/12/2004 4:01:40 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: StillProud2BeFree

Please ping me on that tape!


37 posted on 08/12/2004 4:07:00 AM PDT by RaceBannon (God Bless Ronald Reagan, and may America Bless God!)
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To: beaversmom
"Had these guys attempted something, would the air marshalls been able to take on 14 of them? The part about them being in such is a big group like that is worrying."

I Know several air marshalls and they are well trained. There may have been more than one air marshall on the plane at the time. People need to be prepared and know that if something like this happens and someone attempts to take over an airplane, it is going to be very ugly. The plane can not be allowed to be turned into a missile like on 9/11.

My Wife and I flew to Florida last month out of Dallas, TX and I told her that I was not going to be a sheep if the crap hit the fan. Be prepared and have an emergency plan.
These are the times we live in. God Bless America....
38 posted on 08/12/2004 4:34:43 AM PDT by Dave278 ("Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ")
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To: sockmonkey

What's to stop a terrorist from becoming a human incendiary device - i.e. setting himself/herself on fire in the cabin? What if five or six terrorists did this at the same time?

I don't put ANYTHING past these guys.


39 posted on 08/12/2004 4:54:23 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Coop; Shermy; Grampa Dave; Miss Marple; Cap Huff; Boot Hill; jeffers; nuconvert; AdmSmith

Fyi...


40 posted on 08/12/2004 4:59:50 AM PDT by Dog (Edwards threatening Al Qaeda is like Pee Wee Herman threatening Lucca Brazzi.)
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To: sockmonkey
Why am I taking my shoes off if they're not checking visas?

Until that question is adequately answered, I will continue to drive instead of fly.

41 posted on 08/12/2004 5:02:58 AM PDT by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Yeah, that's my take on it. The claim that a flight attendant told her that there were "several air marshals on board" is either complete b*llsh*t or an indication that the flight attendant thought she was a moonbat who needed to be calmed down before she created an incident -- I just can't see even a rookie flight attendant committing such an obvious no-no.


42 posted on 08/12/2004 5:08:00 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: StillProud2BeFree

I would appreciate a ping to your post as well. Thank you.


43 posted on 08/12/2004 5:21:05 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: sockmonkey

Regardless of how anyone wants to spin this particular story, the fact that these men can get on a plane anywhere in America without exensive security checks is just plain stupid. The Israelis are the only ones who get it.


44 posted on 08/12/2004 5:23:41 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: sockmonkey

Something WAS happening on that plane. One of my Conservative shooting buddies is a pilot for XXXXXXXX Airlines (regional carrier), told me that he's seen and heard about hundreds of these incidents on his airline and several others.

Something's afoot, Watson!


45 posted on 08/12/2004 5:26:21 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: JerseyHighlander

I went to the site (womenswallstreet) just now and was overwhelmed with multiple popup windows. This does not help their credibility.


46 posted on 08/12/2004 5:38:08 AM PDT by Drawsing (It is not honorable to seek one's own honor.....Proverbs.)
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To: Tactical

"And I would not have returned to my seat. I think it would be time to gather up a few big boys on the plane and confront those guys telling them to sit down and not get out of their seats again until it's time to exit the plane"

Exactly!!!


47 posted on 08/12/2004 5:40:00 AM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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bump for later


48 posted on 08/12/2004 5:50:36 AM PDT by Museum Twenty (.)
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To: StillProud2BeFree

Cool! Thank you!


49 posted on 08/12/2004 5:57:12 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: sockmonkey

Whatever happened then, we need to know where these guys are NOW and what their plans are for the future...


50 posted on 08/12/2004 6:24:16 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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