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Posted on 08/12/2004 12:05:29 AM PDT by Lepidopteran

I am a swing voter, neither Republican nor Democrat. I supported President Bush in his response to September 11 and I supported the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. But I like John Kerry's message about the need to do something about the people in this country who have no health insurance. It's a hard choice.


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1 posted on 08/12/2004 12:05:29 AM PDT by Lepidopteran
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To: Lepidopteran

Whats a hard choice? John Fraud Kerry is going to tax the hell out of small businesses so those people you are talking about WONT be able to find a jOB!


2 posted on 08/12/2004 12:07:00 AM PDT by Remington Rebel
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To: Lepidopteran

If were dead, Healthcare isnt exactly going to do anyone any good is it. Kerry cannot protect us. He does not know how. He is incapable of making the tough decisions necessary to stop terrorism. Any healthcare plan Kerry comes up with will be nothing but Hillarycare. Socialized Medicine. NO THANKS.


3 posted on 08/12/2004 12:07:28 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Lepidopteran

If Kerry were elected and gave us his version of Canada care, where would all the people fleeing the failed system to the North go?


4 posted on 08/12/2004 12:07:32 AM PDT by swilhelm73 (When Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq, his son murdered 2,000 people in the Abu Gharib prison in *one* day.)
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To: Lepidopteran

If Kerry were elected and gave us his version of Canada care, where would all the people fleeing the failed system to the North go?


5 posted on 08/12/2004 12:07:33 AM PDT by swilhelm73 (When Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq, his son murdered 2,000 people in the Abu Gharib prison in *one* day.)
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To: All
Ho-hum.

Any of VIKING KITTIES pulling the balls-to-four watch? We've got us a live one.
6 posted on 08/12/2004 12:07:44 AM PDT by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: Lepidopteran
No, it's not that hard of a choice.

If Kerry gets elected, there's a much better chance a terrorist will kill you - then, health insurance won't be worth squat because you're dead.
7 posted on 08/12/2004 12:08:23 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Michael Moore has made "documentary" a 1-word oxymoron.)
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To: Lepidopteran

It shouldn't be difficult if you just keep priorities straight. Without national security healthcare is moot.


8 posted on 08/12/2004 12:08:38 AM PDT by tertiary01 (Kerry won't resign from the Senate because he KNOWS he will need SOME job in November!)
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To: Lepidopteran; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; KangarooJacqui; The Scourge of Yazid; ...

Sniff. Sniff.

Check it out!


9 posted on 08/12/2004 12:08:49 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: Lepidopteran
Freedom and hope for tens millions of people in a troubled region that will change the world OR a socialist health system?

Tough call if you have no vision.

10 posted on 08/12/2004 12:09:02 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Lepidopteran
Lurch's "message" on health care is the same as any member of the Parasite Party: "Let's get Big Stupid Government to force my neighbor, at gunpoint if necessary, to pay for my health care. After all, I should not be the one to pay for my health care! Gimmee!"

That message, right?

Sniff, sniff. Do I smell ozone?

11 posted on 08/12/2004 12:09:02 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Lepidopteran

Go to Iraq and you can make up your mind there.


12 posted on 08/12/2004 12:09:31 AM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: MeekOneGOP; Old Sarge; nonno54re; 4mycountry; TheBigB; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer

Lock and Load.


13 posted on 08/12/2004 12:09:40 AM PDT by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: Lepidopteran

You join within the last month and the best you can come up with is that you like Kerry's health care??? Oh come on where is the ZOT???...If you are a serious poster then think twice...If you are dead it doesn't matter whether you have health insurance...DOn't you get it? WE ARE AT WAR!!!! It is the only time in my voting life that I am a single issue voter but it is the ONLY issue that counts...all else is dross


14 posted on 08/12/2004 12:09:51 AM PDT by jnarcus
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To: Lepidopteran; Belisaurius; Admin Moderator
Ask and you shall receive .... :)


SILLY, Viking Kitty! As you can see from the pics she is a well qualified Viking Kitty. She eats jerky and "tries" to drink my beer, she's ornery, headstrong, and generally a pain in the butt!!! (Particularly when she's in heat and I won't let her outside!!!!) LOL

Silly - The Viking Kitty

In this photo we see Silly at the door when I say "Disruptor"
Silly immediately takes up her position on the desk and contemplates the "ZOT" button
Here, Silly decides that the "ZOT" is in order, and she reaches for the "ZOT" button
Here, Silly advises me of a successful "ZOT" operation.
(click on each image to view a larger pic)

15 posted on 08/12/2004 12:10:01 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: Lepidopteran

I'm a swing voter too, and I was uninsured for four years. Let me tell you why I'm voting for Bush -

During two of those four years I was uninsured, the Democrats were in control of the White House. They are the reason I had no insurance for the other two years, because Bill Clinton coddled Al-Qaeda, and when they attacked us my husband's business went straight down the tubes for 18 months.

Then the Bush economy improved, and I finally got enough money to get insurance again. I had my first doctor visit in four years yesterday.

The Democrats did nothing for us from 1992 to 2000. They promised us affordable health care during that time, and we got NOTHING. I'd rather have Bush and no health care, and a chance to beat Al-Qaeda, than Kerry, health care, and death from Al-Qaeda.


16 posted on 08/12/2004 12:11:23 AM PDT by dandelion (AKA "The Kerry Fairy" - http://johnkerryquestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lepidopteran

No, it's an easy choice. Listen to what KERRY has said just over the past 12 months. He will say anything to get a vote, anything. The guy is full of bologna. He spends more money in a week on his hair and manicure than I spend in a month at the base commissary to feed my family. All I hear from him is I got a plan, I got a plan....what plan?? If you add up everything that he's promised, it would be impossible to pay for, impossible. Talk is cheap, don't fall for the cute slogans. Semper Fidelis!


17 posted on 08/12/2004 12:12:12 AM PDT by MCFujiTanker
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To: Lepidopteran

You....I mean...democrats had eight years of Clinton to fix these alleged social ills. What happened?


18 posted on 08/12/2004 12:12:29 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: Lepidopteran

Have you seriously considered Ralph Nader? Kerry is just a little bit on the conservative side for my tastes - I even heard he was in Vietnam. No, Nader's my guy - the guy with the vision, the guy with the programs, with the plan for the future. Yessirree, I'm voting for Nader, you betcha.


19 posted on 08/12/2004 12:12:55 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Lepidopteran

HEY, HEY
HO, HO
KERRY
SIGN
THE
1-8-0 !


20 posted on 08/12/2004 12:13:02 AM PDT by Remington Rebel
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To: Lepidopteran
It isn't a hard choice at all. What Kerry proposes (socialized medicine) cannot work. Profit is what motivates the medical system; not feel-good altruism. Remove or curtail profit, as Kerry proposes, and you wipe out innovation in medical research. The US leads the world in medical research and new drugs because people expect to make money doing the work. Places like Canada or The UK stifle that profit motive. Not only do they not come up with cutting edge medications, they fail to provide their people with adequate care. Equality in medical service sounds good at first glance, but not when that means equally bad.
21 posted on 08/12/2004 12:15:40 AM PDT by Redcloak (This is my most clever tag line ever!)
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To: Lepidopteran

another point, Kerry flip flops so much. Nothing he says means anything, he will say whatever he thinks will help him to win. At a minimum with Bush you know what your getting. He follows through.


22 posted on 08/12/2004 12:16:11 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Lepidopteran

Its not a hard choice... life comes before liberty...


23 posted on 08/12/2004 12:16:54 AM PDT by Remington Rebel
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To: Lepidopteran

This country is NO where close to having national health insurance. Won't happened irregardless WHO is president. Millions of amricans are taking advantage of Medicade/Medicare....you need to find a better more important issue to focus on than something that isn't going to happen...like national health care...


24 posted on 08/12/2004 12:17:15 AM PDT by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: Lepidopteran

I so, like, totally support Bush, but, like, I am so, like, concerned about, like (insert yer fav socialist program here) like, totally?...so, like, I'm just, like, so asking, like, totally, likje, like, like...what can Bush do for me? like, totally, like, so?


25 posted on 08/12/2004 12:17:17 AM PDT by Bobber58 (whatever it takes, for as long as it takes)
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To: Lepidopteran
But I like John Kerry's message about the need to do something about the people in this country who have no health insurance.

Where in the Constitution does it say the government should provide health insurance or health coverage? I pay for my own family's health insurance. Do you think I should be paying for other people's too? Do you think I should buy them a car, a house, a trip to the Bahamas too?

If I cannot afford something, I go without that particular thing, or sacrifice something else to pay for what I deem necessary. What about people who do not want health insurance. Most healthy young people who are at entry-level positions forgo health insurance since they deem it unnecessary. Should my taxes go for their health?

The Dems want to redistribute wealth. If you are feeling guilty about someone who does not have health insurance, why don't you voluntarily pay their premiums? Don't increase my taxes and redistribute my wealth to pay for something government has no business being involved in.

26 posted on 08/12/2004 12:17:35 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Lepidopteran

Mayor Koch, a Democrat, states that he does not side with President Bush on a single domestic issue. However, Koch says he will vote for Bush because the Democrats don't have the guts to prosecute this war that we are in! It's about 9/11! We are at war, NOT spending out time worrying about how soon the troops can come home.

Thousands of Americans died in New York. Thousands more citizens are likely to die within our borders before this thing is resolved.

Bush is going toe to toe with the radical Islamic terrorists IN THE MIDDLE EAST. This is where it should be fought.

Did anyone hear Kerry during his acceptance speech: "If anyone strikes America, I will respond!" He STILL doesn't get it! They did strike America. Russian intelligence told Bush, as admitted by Putin last month, that Hussein had imminent plans to strike America (This is probably one of the reasons that Kerry has finally admitted that going into Iraq was the correct decision.)

However, Kerry wants to wait for the next attack before he does something. He wants to "respond".

Why wait. George is already responding! GO GEORGE BUSH!

[I'm in cheerleading mode tonight because my wife and I heard Bush in Phoenix a few hours ago. :]


27 posted on 08/12/2004 12:18:51 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Lepidopteran
"But I like John Kerry's message about the need to do something about the people in this country who have no health insurance"

Everyone has coverage.

Get sick and go to any emergency room and you will get treated. Get in to an accident and you will get treated.

I have a friend that's 40 and has had 3 near death accidents and has always been treated at the hospital (Once for 3 weeks) and didn't pay for the care.

He's not a free loader and pays taxes as a self employed roofer but doesn't have insurance and gets treated at the emergency room.

If you show up and tell them you don't have insurance they will treat you and give you a short supply of drugs then you have to buy your own but they will treat you.

How do you think 10 million illegals get treatment each year in the US?

We all pay more for our insurance because some get treatment without paying but they get the treatment !

The solution to 100% coverage would be a 100% country wide HMO system that's run by private business. It could be done very easily but the lobbyists may prevent it !

28 posted on 08/12/2004 12:18:52 AM PDT by america-rules (It's US or THEM so what part don't you understand ?)
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To: Lepidopteran; MeekOneGOP; King Prout; Conspiracy Guy
A troll that calls itself a butterfly. How quaint.


29 posted on 08/12/2004 12:19:24 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Lepidopteran
But I like John Kerry's message about the need to do something about the people in this country who have no health insurance.

I don't have health insurance. Do you think that someone should provide it for me? Should the government? Why?

I don't think everyone else should pay more in taxes to fund healthcare for me.

30 posted on 08/12/2004 12:20:04 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Lepidopteran

ah yes,the 'I supported bush but kerry is looking good" variety of troll.

If you want a peak of the great health care your pal kerry will bring, go up to canada and get really sick. Then wait 6-10 months for tests to determine the next course of treatment. Then wait another 6-10 months for the actual treatment.

If you're still alive by the time you get around to using your free health care, congratulations! You just won the socialized medicine lottery!


31 posted on 08/12/2004 12:20:13 AM PDT by flashbunny (Click on my name!!! I dare you!!!)
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To: Lepidopteran
It's a hard choice.

No. It is really not.

33 posted on 08/12/2004 12:20:41 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: Lepidopteran
This is one interesting wrinkle in the battle for votes. My family of three has gone without health insurance for some time with no worries. We're relatively young and healthy. But older people, or those not blessed with good health have more cause to concern themselves with this matter.

It's like auto insurance I guess. Personally I would avoid auto insurance if the law permitted, and set aside a slush fund for this and other disasters (no this is not a pitch for "medical savings accounts", I've thought of this long before that entered the public discourse). It's an incentive to avoid a wreck - drive carefully! If I did happen into a wreck, it wouldn't be the end of the world... On the other hand, I'm paying $100/mo for two vehicles, and have not been in a wreck for which I was at fault for 7 years (and that was a one-car ordeal and my own fault!). Over 7 years, that's $8,400! It's an odds game. I figure the chances of causing tens of thousands of dollars of damage in a wreck are miniscual for a careful driver.

That said, medical costs can soar into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. People are justified to be concerned about this. Causes include the free-market - doctors study for seven+ years for a reason - and lawsuit abuse - losers are greedy and want to blame others without regard to impact on their fellow man. What would happen if we nationalized healthcare ala Hillary Clinton's '93 plan?

Costs to the consumer would go down due to government regulation. Doctors would leave the field if not the country (Acapulco, anyone?) Quality of care would likely decrease as the medical talent attrition took its toll. So everyone would have relatively low-quality health care. Taxes would have to be raised to pay for this, so we would have less money to save.

So it's a balancing game between freedom and security. For me, I'll take financial freedom any day. Just my thoughts...

34 posted on 08/12/2004 12:21:29 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Remington Rebel

Get a life...buterflies and moths do not require health insurance.


35 posted on 08/12/2004 12:22:23 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Lepidopteran
John Kerry has no plan to give people health insurance, he has an empty promise. The reason people cannot afford health insurance are mandates and government interference.

John Kerry wants more of both.

36 posted on 08/12/2004 12:23:44 AM PDT by GeronL (KERRY: "I went to Cambodia with the CIA and all I got was a hat")
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To: Lepidopteran

If it's socialized medicine you want, you should talk to the people that have to live with it. I have many relatives in Canada and if they get sick, well too bad. They get on a list and wait 2 years for the operation. I had an uncle who died in his way. The greedy lawyers have ruined our health system and put it out of reach for the many... unless you are illegal. That is what the democratic party espouses. But the most important reason to vote for Bush is that he is strong on the WOT. Healthcare won't matter much if we are dead from some kind of terror attack.


37 posted on 08/12/2004 12:23:45 AM PDT by KingsKindred
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To: Lepidopteran
But I like John Kerry's message about the need to do something about the people in this country who have no health insurance

I'd say you have a much bigger issue than health insurance. That is, you seem unable to spot political phoneys, which isn't all that hard. They have the following traits:
38 posted on 08/12/2004 12:24:31 AM PDT by pt17
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To: Lepidopteran
Seriously now, think about this..

Social Security

Medicare

Medicaid

When has GOVERNMENT managed to get any thing right?

Now you wish to have the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT stick their nose into the Nation's Healthcare?
( not that they haven't already, but actually take it over and start a federal program? )

You are talking about a major increase in lobbying...
You are talking about a major increase in "campaign donations" to congress from Health Organizations..
You're talking about DOUBLING the COST of individual's Health Care expenses...
( Can you say PAYROLL TAX INCREASE? )

You are talking about congress making "concessions", and "exemptions" for Health Care Industry Fat Cats..
( concessions they "paid for" of course, but concessions that will guarantee high costs for medicine, hospital stays, surgery, "special" procedures and diagnostics, etc.. )

How do you think the latest health care "improvements" managed to ban Canadian medication imports?
Why do you think it is that Medicaid / Medicare can't negotiate with pharmacuetical companies for lower prices on medications like other health care groups can?
( Can you say "Guaranteed High Profit Margins" ??? )

National Healthcare will basically "screw" all americans, and probably half the Health Care Industry..

39 posted on 08/12/2004 12:25:08 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Lepidopteran

Kerry lies about health care too.

http://www.donaldsensing.com/2004/08/remember-poor-mary-ann-knowles.html


If health care is the problem he claims it is, why would he have -any- trouble finding a legitimate story to gripe about?

Qwinn


40 posted on 08/12/2004 12:25:09 AM PDT by Qwinn2
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To: Slings and Arrows; The Scourge of Yazid

As long as you're awake, help us ZOT this troll.


41 posted on 08/12/2004 12:25:35 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Lepidopteran

This election won't be fought on social issues. The main plank of this years election is the war on terror. Democrats have promised alot of things for 40 years, and have yet to deliver on that promise. The Democrats are the party of victims and empty promises. It's not a hard choice when you think about it. Bush wants voters to become independent through personal ownership and personal responsibility. John Kerry wants voters to pay their higher share of taxes to fund Liberal social engineering fiascos, while again voters will end up getting their hopes shattered through empty promises.


42 posted on 08/12/2004 12:26:19 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Nobody But Bush | Kerry/Edwards: Re-inventing the we'll)
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To: Lepidopteran

Actually, never mind that last link, this link's better.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=42011


Qwinn


43 posted on 08/12/2004 12:26:32 AM PDT by Qwinn2
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To: flashbunny

We have a friend who was in a severe automobile accident. He was treated in the U.K. It was all free! Goody!

He had bits of glass embedded in his joints which caused severe pain EVERY time he moved. He waited 5 months for the free surgery and it was postponed twice. What a deal!

Oh, did I forget to say it was free?


44 posted on 08/12/2004 12:27:11 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Slings and Arrows


I'm not a troll, honest! I have read all of the replies and I agree with most of them in one way or another. But you all can't ignore the fact that the swing voters will decide this election. So why crucify me for stating the obvious?


45 posted on 08/12/2004 12:27:14 AM PDT by Lepidopteran
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To: Lepidopteran

Social Security
Socialized Health Care

Why stop there?

Socialized Homeowners Insurance
Socialized Auto Insurance

You're not a troll - you're just a Socialist!


46 posted on 08/12/2004 12:28:22 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: All
Butterfly?

Is that a mutation of Trollus Zottus?
47 posted on 08/12/2004 12:28:37 AM PDT by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: Keith in Iowa; tiamat; Lepidopteran; NYC GOP Chick; SandyInSeattle; nuconvert; KangarooJacqui; ...
Uday Hussein:

I HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE! WHERE THE HELL WILL I GET MY FRIGGIN' VIAGRA SCRIPS FROM NOW? HUH?!

(Lucifer pokes Uday in the ass with pitchfork. Tells him to get back to work shoveling feces into his younger brother Qusay's mouth.)

WHY AREN'T THERE ANY BUTTERFLYS ON THIS THREAD?!

-good times, G.J.P. (Jr.)

48 posted on 08/12/2004 12:28:41 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("Sit Ubu. Sit. "(Woof!) "Good dog. ")
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To: Lepidopteran; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; KangarooJacqui; The Scourge of Yazid; ...

Welcome to FR!


49 posted on 08/12/2004 12:28:42 AM PDT by Watery Tart ("I don't need Michael Moore to tell me about 9/11." –Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Lepidopteran

If you're not a troll I'd start responding. Fast.


50 posted on 08/12/2004 12:29:07 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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