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To: ArrogantBustard; TC Rider
None of which can be "engaged" or "disengaged" in any manner meaningful to clearing the weapon. Point of order sustained. If you want to get technical, the M1911 and Hi-Power have several "safeties". Most, however, like the Glock's "safeties", are irrelevant to clearing the weapon. (Hi-Power has a magazine disconnect.)

TCR has already delivered the appropriate response. The question was whether "anyone could identify [for you] any semiautomatic pistol that could be cleared without disengaging the safety."

Personally, my "safeties" begin with the brain, run through the muscles of my shoulder, arm & fingers, and end at the gun. If the responses you received regarding a wide variety of semiauto pistols that (1) have mechanical safeties; and (2) can be cleared without disengaging those mechanical safeties weren't satisfactory, it was because you asked a stupid - or at least an imprecise - question. Then you exacerbated the error by responding that the safeties on the pistols listed in response weren't real "safeties" (at least that's what I'm assuming from your ambiguous use of quotation marks) or that they weren't relevant to clearing the weapon. Based upon your responses, what you apparently intended to ask was: "Gosh, are there any guns out there that don't have a thumb safety [or possibly even a mag safety] that must be manually disengaged in order to rack the slide for the purpose of clearing the weapon?" Unfortunately for the rest of us, we couldn't read your secret question and only answered the one you posted.

Frankly, the only purpose of any safety is to assist mechanically in preventing the gun from going bang when some moron is negligent in the handling of that firearm and violates the rules of safe gun handling. I've never heard anyone argue that a safety isn't really a safety if it has to be manually engaged or disengaged in clearing a firearm - except you and apparently the jury in the stupid babysitter case. Your purported distinction is nonsensical and your responses to good faith replies to what other posters apparently believed was a good faith question - especially your ridiculous "point of order" - are just rude.

50 posted on 08/12/2004 11:57:04 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: FateAmenableToChange
TCR got snotty with me. I should have known from my time on rec.guns that Glockaphiles have no sense of humour that they're aware of, and will rant endlessly at any perceived slight to the object of their affections. I shouldn't have responded at all.

The points remain.

1) You can't disengage the safety on a Glock. Nor can you engage it. It simply is. I don't consider the trigger thingy a safety.

2) You can engage or disengage the safety on a Beretta, and apparently you can clear the weapon with the safety engaged. That, and not the pointless nattering about Glocks, answered my question.

3) Spare me the "safety is between your ears" lecture ... I do a better job of giving it.

51 posted on 08/12/2004 12:14:15 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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