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TWO MILLION WARNED OFF WEST FLORIDA COAST AS "SCARY" CHARLEY GROWS
Miami Herald ^ | 08/13/2004 | Brendan Farrington

Posted on 08/13/2004 6:56:12 AM PDT by JesseHousman

TAMPA, Fla. - With a "scary, scary" Hurricane Charley zeroing in on Florida's west coast Friday, state officials urged almost 2 million tourists and residents to evacuate and avoid the path of a storm that could submerge parts of this city's downtown and other neighboring areas.

Charley's expected 120 mph top sustained winds and massive storm surge could devastate coastal and low-lying areas in Tampa and St. Petersburg. Everything from waterfront condominium towers to vulnerable mobile homes were in danger on the Gulf Coast.

Charley's center was expected to pass west of the Florida Keys early Friday before hitting the Tampa Bay area later in the day, dumping heavy rain and possibly spawning sporadic tornadoes, Hugh Cobb, a meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami, said Thursday. About 6.5 million of Florida's 17 million residents were in Charley's projected path, the U.S. Census Bureau reported.

"It does have the potential of devastating impact. ... This is a scary, scary thing," said Gov. Jeb Bush, who had declared a state of emergency.

State meteorologist Ben Nelson said the surge could reach up to 16 feet in the Tampa area if Charley hits at 120 mph, making it a major hurricane at Category 3 strength.

About 1.9 million people from the Florida Keys north through the west coast have been advised to evacuate, although many will stay in their homes, said Kristy Campbell, spokeswoman at the state emergency management center. It was estimated that 1.1 to 1.5 million will be leaving their homes ahead of the storm, she said.

"In many areas, people are still leaving," Campbell said Friday.

Friday morning, the weather at the St. Petersburg/Clearwater International Airport was calm, said Jeff Clauss, an airport spokesman.

At 8 a.m., the hurricane was in the Florida Straits, 75 miles west of Key West.

Forecasters said Charley had top sustained winds of about 110 mph. It was moving north-northwest near 18 mph and was expected to strengthen, meteorologists said. Hurricane force winds extended outward 30 miles from the eye; tropical storm force winds went out 125 miles.

All the west coast of Florida's peninsula was under a hurricane warning, as was the lower Florida Keys. Tropical storm watches and warnings extended from the middle Keys to Cape Fear, N.C.

Most of the evacuations were in the counties of Hillsborough, which contains Tampa, and Pinellas, a peninsula that contains St. Petersburg. All residents of MacDill Air Force Base, on another peninsula in Tampa Bay, were ordered out with only essential personnel remaining. MacDill is home to U.S. Central Command, the nerve center of the war in Iraq.

"MacDill Air Force Base will probably be mostly underwater and parts of downtown Tampa could be underwater if we have a Category 3," Nelson said. "In a Category 3, you can almost get to the point where Pinellas County becomes an island."

Gary Vickers, Pinellas' emergency management chief, told people in evacuation zones there would be "a period of time where if you stay behind and you change your mind and you want to be rescued, no one can help you.

"We aren't going to go out on a suicide mission," he said.

Heavy traffic flowed Thursday afternoon away from the coast near Tampa in Florida's biggest evacuation request since 1999, when Hurricane Floyd prompted an order for a record 1.3 million people to evacuate the state's east coast.

Many residents on Florida's southwest coast tried to prepare for the worst, buying plywood to board up homes and stocking up on water, canned food and batteries to ride out Charley.

Beth Ciombor of Sarasota was at a Home Depot Thursday loading two sheets of plywood onto the top of her minivan while her 2-year-old son watched.

"It's very threatening," Ciombor said. "I'm on the verge of tears. It's so frightening."

In the Florida Keys, visitors and mobile home residents followed orders to leave the entire 100-mile-long island chain or report to shelters.

About 60 people slept at one Key West elementary school overnight, stretched out on blankets and mattresses in a hallway as a circular fan buzzed. Peter Berg, 45, from Vancouver, British Columbia, had been vacationing in Key West for a week when he and his wife were forced to leave their hostel.

"I keep telling myself it could be worse," he said.

Next to him, Audrey and Gregory Pace sat on the floor on blankets as their 4-year-old son, Stephen, watched the cartoon "Land Before Time IX" on a portable DVD player while sitting on a "Blue's Clues" sleeping bag. Gregory Pace said the family came to the shelter Thursday night because they had to leave their mobile home on nearby Stock Island.

He said their home sits beneath coconut trees, a dangerous situation with Charley approaching.

The coconuts "turn into bombs in storms," he said.

At dawn Friday, fisherman Manuel Garcia was trying to secure his boss's fishing boat, the Cowboy III, in the Stock Island marina, where heavy surf was pushing the vessel against a cement barrier.

"If the water comes up, I can do nothing," he said, smoking a thick cigar.

Power companies said they were mobilizing thousands of workers to prepare for widespread electricity outages, and out-of-state crews were being readied to rush to Florida.

On Thursday, Tropical Storm Bonnie came ashore in the Florida Panhandle, but its top sustained winds of 50 mph caused little damage. It weakened into a depression late Thursday and was no longer a threat, Cobb said.

(Associated Press writers Mitch Stacy in Tampa, David Royse in Apalachicola, Ken Thomas in Key West, Vickie Chachere in Sarasota and Rachel La Corte, Adrian Sainz and John Pain in Miami contributed to this report.)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bush43; charley; charlie; elections; fl; florida; hurricane; hurricanecharley; hurricanecharlie; jeb; jebbush; politics; weather; westflorida
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As residents of SW Florida, we've decided to ride it out and not join the highways clogged with evacuees.
1 posted on 08/13/2004 6:56:12 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman

Hurricane Charlie should have been called "Clyde".


2 posted on 08/13/2004 6:58:27 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: JesseHousman

I'm in Tampa, about 2 miles north of downtown and 1 block from the river. I'm staying put. Wish me luck!


3 posted on 08/13/2004 6:59:00 AM PDT by small_l_libertarian
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To: JesseHousman

Stay safe. We'll be praying for all of you down there.

Isabel came thru my back yard last year.


4 posted on 08/13/2004 6:59:58 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (www.wardsmythe.com)
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To: JesseHousman
Here it is from Key West:

5 posted on 08/13/2004 7:00:25 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: small_l_libertarian; JesseHousman

Prayers for you and all in Charley's path. Stay safe.


6 posted on 08/13/2004 7:01:24 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: small_l_libertarian

We're in Naples, 1 1/2 miles from the gulf. We'll be thinking of you today!


7 posted on 08/13/2004 7:04:57 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: JesseHousman

http://web.naplesnews.com/sections/webcams/front.html


8 posted on 08/13/2004 7:07:51 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...

http://web.naplesnews.com/sections/webcams/front.html

WOW! These are some good live feeds on beaches.


9 posted on 08/13/2004 7:10:44 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: small_l_libertarian
Bump.

Good Luck.

10 posted on 08/13/2004 7:11:33 AM PDT by Deguello
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To: JesseHousman; small_l_libertarian

I will be praying all day for everyone,stay safe,fatima


11 posted on 08/13/2004 7:12:29 AM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: small_l_libertarian

Aren't they predicting sixteen foot water surges there?


12 posted on 08/13/2004 7:12:33 AM PDT by Conservababe (Kerry, you said to "bring it on". The vets did. And now you threaten to sue them. Wimp!)
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To: JesseHousman
As of the 8 AM advisory, the direction was NNW; but latest radar appears to indicate that it's moving a touch east of due north. Could be just a wobble, of course, but it looks to me as if the eye is likely to go inland south of Tampa, maybe between Sanibel and Sarasota.
13 posted on 08/13/2004 7:13:24 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (I used to be schizophrenic, but we're fine now.)
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To: small_l_libertarian

SE St. Petersburg. I'm staying...


14 posted on 08/13/2004 7:13:33 AM PDT by G-dzilla
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To: JesseHousman
Cuban President Fidel Castro listens to Jose Rubiera (L), Cuba's chief weather forecaster, as he explains how Hurricane Charley is heading toward the Havana area, as television journalist Maribel Puerto looks on in Havana, August 13, 2004. Authorities evacuated 149,000 people from flood-prone areas of western Cuba and precarious colonial-era buildings in danger of collapse in downtown Havana
15 posted on 08/13/2004 7:14:19 AM PDT by traumer
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To: TruthWillWin

Hurricane Charlie should have been called "JOHN".


16 posted on 08/13/2004 7:15:25 AM PDT by traumer
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To: G-dzilla; small_l_libertarian

Stay safe fellow Freepers.


17 posted on 08/13/2004 7:17:19 AM PDT by PogySailor (Proud member of the RAM)
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To: traumer
Hurricane Charlie should have been called "JOHN".

Huh???

18 posted on 08/13/2004 7:18:04 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: TruthWillWin

That's the same thing I said on another thread. It's coming so close behind Bonnie that it would have been cute to have done that.


19 posted on 08/13/2004 7:18:56 AM PDT by dstarr (Proud widow of a Vietnam War and Korean War veteran)
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To: JesseHousman
If you have access to ABC News Now via digital television, digital cable, on online (pay service via RealPlayer Gold Pass, or free if you have broadband service from AOL, SBC/Yahoo, Comcast, or BellSouth), they are streaming live video coverage from ABC's Tampa affiliate, WFTS-TV.
20 posted on 08/13/2004 7:20:42 AM PDT by mhking
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To: OXENinFLA
Thanks for the ping
stay safe everybody
21 posted on 08/13/2004 7:20:43 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: TruthWillWin

I said the same thing yesterday. Somebody was asleep at the wheel on that one!


22 posted on 08/13/2004 7:21:31 AM PDT by Sunshine55 (http://stores.ebay.com/RIGHT-WING-GEAR_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm)
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To: G-dzilla
SE St. Petersburg. I'm staying...

Prayers are with you -- Godspeed...

23 posted on 08/13/2004 7:21:33 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking

bttt


25 posted on 08/13/2004 7:30:39 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: BeforeISleep; StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...

Bonnie-Spawned Tornado Rips Through Northwest Jacksonville

http://www.news4jax.com/weather/3648478/detail.html

(With Video)


26 posted on 08/13/2004 7:43:42 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

I can't believe what I'm seeing... people taking a stroll on the beach while a hurricane is knocking at the front door...


27 posted on 08/13/2004 7:47:08 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog
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To: Elisha_Ben_Abuya
Hurricanes like this are not once-in-a-century events. I'd think long & hard before choosing to make my home in such a region.

Every place has it's risks, some places are more prone to earthquakes, others tornados, or floods. At least with hurricanes you get advance warning, you don't get those with earthquakes.

28 posted on 08/13/2004 7:49:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: JesseHousman

My brother and his wife were evacuated from St. Pete. 8 foot surge expected to hit his house (he spent close to 24 hours sandbagging and putting up plywood). They're sheltering with my parents in Sarasota (8 miles inland and about thirty feet up).

I'm sure everyone will be fine but I'm guled to the weather channel.


29 posted on 08/13/2004 7:50:48 AM PDT by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Looks like it's moving almost due north now.


30 posted on 08/13/2004 7:50:54 AM PDT by dirtboy (Forget Berger's socks - has ANYONE searched his skin folds for classified documents?)
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To: Elisha_Ben_Abuya

Actually, I HAVE family that have lived right in the heart of hurricane country most of their lives (the Keys) and they'd never live anyplace else.


31 posted on 08/13/2004 7:52:47 AM PDT by Sunshine55 (http://stores.ebay.com/RIGHT-WING-GEAR_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm)
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To: JesseHousman

Bush's fault.


32 posted on 08/13/2004 7:55:56 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: JesseHousman

Der Spiegel (the "serious" and "respected" German magazine) pretends that this tornado is Charlie ...


33 posted on 08/13/2004 7:57:21 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

Link :
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,grossbild-379534-313039,00.html


34 posted on 08/13/2004 7:57:48 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: mhking

Mike, do you have a link for that? My (addicted to weather) sister just got high speed so I'm trying to put together some good links for her.


35 posted on 08/13/2004 8:06:22 AM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: Truth666
Seeing the "allied" foreign press reporting about events in your country is a quick way to understand how media works today ...

36 posted on 08/13/2004 8:07:14 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: mhking

How do you access it for free? I have Comcast broadband (and digital cable).


37 posted on 08/13/2004 8:12:55 AM PDT by Nexus
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To: G-dzilla

Hi neighbor! We're on 21st Ave N near St. Pauls Catholic School. I'm freeping until the power goes out!!


38 posted on 08/13/2004 8:14:23 AM PDT by LubyGee (Insert something witty)
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To: Nexus

Go to Comcast's portal page (I think it's at http://home.comcast.net but don't quote me), and check either the news or the video page.


39 posted on 08/13/2004 8:14:42 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Elisha_Ben_Abuya

There are worse natural disaster than hurricanes. Tornadoes & forest fires scare me more.


40 posted on 08/13/2004 8:14:47 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Unknown Freeper

If you're on Bellsouth.net (which is where I am), go to http://home.bellsouth.net/news then look on the right side of the page.

Each of the other services has a similar portal page. Check on the "News" link from that page to get access. The feed is in RealPlayer.


41 posted on 08/13/2004 8:16:26 AM PDT by mhking
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To: traumer

LOL. Methinks this is what NOAA would look like if after all the class-action lawyers sue for losing their homes on the Gold Coast.

Communism is so useful--look at all those high tech computers and maps!


42 posted on 08/13/2004 8:18:12 AM PDT by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: JesseHousman
I have a serious question for those in SW Florida:

Is your part of the Gulf Coast *really* that incapable of absorbing the impact of a Category 2/3 hurricane, and one that has a pretty fast forward speed (up to 20 mph at landfall) at that.

Two million called to evacuate? Flooding in downtown Tampa?

The only thing I can think of that can pose a serious problem is the storm surge, since the landfall point will likely be on the eastern side of the storm and the high forward speed adds a bit, too, but a 110-plus MPH storm that is racing through the landfall area (and will clear out just as quickly) isn't exactly extreme, wind-wise or rain-wise.

A Cat 2/3 (out of 5) storm should cause panic, say, in Maine (where hurricane preparedness is not even an issue) not along the Gulf coast (where it should be a way of life).

I daresay those in SE Louisiana, where I'm originally from, or Houston, where I now live, would be concerned but not "panicked" by this "scary, scary" storm.

What would they do if something like Camille plowed into SW Florida? There would be nothing left of the place!

43 posted on 08/13/2004 8:23:59 AM PDT by LincolnLover (LSU Tigers: GEAUXING for Another National Title in 2004!)
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To: small_l_libertarian
I'm also in Tampa, but up in Carrollwood Village. If I were one block from the river, I wouldn't be there. Good luck.

When I first moved to Tampa, I met an elderly gentlement who had been in Tampa during the 1921 hurricane. He said that everything downtown was under water to the second floor. He seemed to have been quite affected by it. This isn't going to be pretty.

I hope my home can withstand 120 mile per hour gusts cause they're comin'.

44 posted on 08/13/2004 8:29:22 AM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: LincolnLover
Storm surge is the real risk - alot of housing is less than 10' above sea-level. However, everyone seems to have very short-term memory on how fast these things can go from cat 2 to cat 4. Remember Opal and Andrew.
45 posted on 08/13/2004 8:30:44 AM PDT by al_again
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To: dirtboy
Looks like it's moving almost due north now. Per 11 AM advisory - Due North at 18 MPH. Winds still 110 but Central Pressure has dropped from 970 to 965 MB.

LOoks like Tampa is in line for a direct hit if this thing doesn't move.

46 posted on 08/13/2004 8:31:46 AM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Izzy Dunne

It looks like it's turning a little to the east. Then again, I'm probably not very good at reading these things.


47 posted on 08/13/2004 8:31:58 AM PDT by Snowy (Heaven is Reagan country now)
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To: All

http://www.970wfla.com/jacor-common/streaming_disclaimer.html
(Currently: Live Audio News in Regards to Evacs/Etc.)

More streaming weather-related info:

http://www.irlp.net/
http://www.voipwx.net/ - Skywarn / Hurricane Spotter Network

Tampa Area News Stations:
http://www.wtsp.com - Live stream local news
http://www.wfts.com
ttp://www.wftx.com
http://www.baynews9.com - Live streaming radar
http://www.sptimes.com
http://www.naplesnews.com
http://www.news-press.com
http://www.herald-tribune.com

Webcams:
http://www.naplesnet.com/webcam/webcam_index.htm

Other:
http://hurricanecity.com/ - thanks mhking


48 posted on 08/13/2004 8:32:54 AM PDT by nwctwx
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To: LincolnLover
The Problem is that the Barrier Islands are over-loaded with houses and Condominiums at a Maximum of 3-4 ft above sea level. Even the mainland is only 5-10 ft above sea-level.

Especially in Tampa - St. Pete area you now have a cat2-3 storm moving a 10-16FT Storm Surge into a Bay that Opens to the South--- The Water will come in and pile up. Almost all the newer housing and all Condo's are built to withstand the winds, but wind doesn;t matter if the whole thing is under water.

49 posted on 08/13/2004 8:36:22 AM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Snowy
commish: LOoks like Tampa is in line for a direct hit if this thing doesn't move.

Snowy: It looks like it's turning a little to the east. Then again, I'm probably not very good at reading these things.

Geometry is EVERYTHING now. Unlike a hurricane approaching the Atlantic coast from the east, the "dirty" side of the storm will be to the south of landfall instead of to the north. If Charley goes inland south of Tampa Bay, the worst winds will be out of the west and that area will be spared the worst of the storm surge (but someone else further to the south will get drilled).

Worst case - Charley glances off St. Pete and then runs right up the coast - then a large stretch of NW Florida will get bad storm surge, and the worst will get pushed up into Tampa Bay. And that's only a tracking difference of about 20-30 miles.

50 posted on 08/13/2004 8:37:35 AM PDT by dirtboy (Forget Berger's socks - has ANYONE searched his skin folds for classified documents?)
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