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Hurricane aftermath big test for president
AP ^ | August 13, 2003

Posted on 08/13/2004 6:58:03 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns

WASHINGTON (AP) - Once Hurricane Charley is gone from Florida, it's a safe bet President Bush will sweep in. Natural calamities present political opportunity, and many crucial electoral votes are in the path of Charley's howling winds.

President Bush declared a major disaster in Florida on Friday, ordering federal aid for the recovery effort just two hours after Charley hit the mainland.

Officials are loath to ascribe campaign motives to emergency response, but politics infuses everything this close to an election. No more so than in the state that handed Bush the presidency.

"This provides both opportunities and real dangers for the president," said Dario Moreno, a Florida International University political scientist.

Presidents are measured by the aid and sympathy that follow a big hit from nature, and Moreno said Bush stands to gain as long as he treats the emergency as more than a chance to roll up his sleeves and clear a bit of rubble for the cameras.

"If he looks like he's doing this for a photo opportunity, it's going to backfire on him," he said. "He has to make sure FEMA and the emergency aid responders are working around the clock and without a hitch."

With 145-mph winds, the hurricane bore down not only on the scene-stealing state of the last election, but one of the most politically dynamic parts of it - the western and central counties where both parties are in heated competition for the tens of thousands of non-Cuban Hispanics who have moved there since 2000. Florida offers 27 electoral votes, the fourth-biggest prize.

For Bush, lessons of disaster politics are close to home.

His father's political advisers were caught flat-footed at a similar point of the campaign cycle - August 1992 - when Hurricane Andrew wreaked havoc in Florida. Thousands went without shelter and other necessities for days while the magnitude of the storm slowly sank in for the federal government.

The first President Bush was roundly criticized for overseeing a by-the-formula response to extraordinary needs. He visited the area, but his administration declined an initial appeal to send a military engineering brigade and other troops for the relief effort and stumbled over disaster aid.

Barring an obviously inept performance from the White House, natural disasters inoculate presidents from campaign criticism for a time because opponents are wary of second-guessing the nation's leader in a crisis and can't be seen as trying to capitalize on people's misfortune.

Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, for example, won't let himself be seen as begrudging Floridians federal relief dollars no matter how generous, analysts say.

"He can't accuse the president of politicizing a tragedy," said Kathryn Dunn Tenpas, a University of Pennsylvania presidential campaign scholar. "Kerry is best to be silent on the issue."

In 1992, Democratic candidate Bill Clinton toured Andrew's aftermath but carefully avoided jabbing at his opponent over the halting response. And when Washington rebounded with promises of massive aid, his campaign was mum.

Clinton's on-the-scene empathy after the Oklahoma City bombing moved people during a low point in his presidency.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bush43; hurricaneandrew; hurricanecharley

1 posted on 08/13/2004 6:58:03 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: Roscoe Karns

The timing of this storm is rather suspicious.


2 posted on 08/13/2004 6:58:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Here, bite down on this.)
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To: cripplecreek

Do you think Al Quaeda was behind it? :-)


3 posted on 08/13/2004 7:01:30 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA

Speaking of terrorists, I kinda wish Gitmo would catch a category 5. Our soldiers would be just fine, but it would scare the hell out of the islamderthals.


4 posted on 08/13/2004 7:03:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Here, bite down on this.)
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To: cripplecreek

Chrissie Matthews wants to ask the storm who it plans to vote for.


5 posted on 08/13/2004 7:09:17 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (I'll put George W. Bush's four years in office over Kerry's four months in Vietnam any time!)
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To: cripplecreek

Of course the Dims are behind it ... we had to cancel our FReep in Wilmington, NC, this weekend. It was going to be BIG!

But on the subject, I'm just disgusted that anyone could write this. Our Founders are rolling over in their graves at the idea that the President of the United States is somehow responsible for "taking care" of people after a hurricane! (!!!!)

How about eliminating Federal disaster aid and flood insurance? Then people would move inland, unless they wanted to personally carry the insurance costs or rebuilding costs of living on the coast.


6 posted on 08/13/2004 7:12:30 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't underestimate the power of a muffin and a prayer card.)
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To: cripplecreek
I'd rather settle for a surprise category-5 super-typhoon slowly moving with its strong-side eyewall over downtown Pyongyang while Kim Jong-il is there. It then slams the nuclear-reactor region.

But then again, that would be mean. And considering that we want to protect the lives of even our enemies, I suppose I should perish the thought.
7 posted on 08/13/2004 7:13:40 PM PDT by dufekin (Genocidal terrorists and tyrants hail John F. Kerry, traitor against these United States of America!)
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To: Roscoe Karns

H W Bush really screwed it up when he visited Miami post Andrew.

He tied up an already screwed up major road(US 1/South Dixie Highway), and about pissed everyone off in South Dade.

It did not win him any votes.


8 posted on 08/13/2004 7:15:25 PM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: cripplecreek
I have to agree with you. I wonder if Karl Rove is somehow involved in this?

</sarcasm>

You know, I turned off the sarcasm, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised when the dems actually say that the President is using the losses suffered in the storm for political gain. Now that I am thinking about it, I am certain that we will hear the criticism the moment AF1 touches down anywhere in Florida.

Funny, I haven't heard it (yet), but Bush was in Panama City a day before Bonnie passed through. I still won't be surprised to hear that "connection" somehow mentioned on DU or mouthed by a Kerry sycophant. It is really just a matter of time.

FULL DISCLOSURE: I was in Panama City Beach at the time the President visited. There was a 3 day build-up in the local media (all pretty favorable) and the town was piped up for the visit. We even cruised by the area where the President was speaking that day (just off of the bay).

Here's some interesting facts that you only seem to get when you are "on the ground":
1. The original attendance expected: 3,500
2. The revised attendace expected: 5,000
3. The re-revised attendance expected: 8,500
4. The re-re-revised attendance expected: 10,000
5. Last estimate I heard of actual attendance: about 15,000.

Each day the expected attendance grew, and grew, and grew. I'm telling you the crowds that the President is drawing is indicative of the ground swell of support for the President, despite what the polls are saying.

Just today, I was reading about the massive crowds that (S)Kerry was drawing in Oregon (a lock for Kerry). I saw the pics and there were about 200 people gathered around what looked to be a cul-de-sac, none of whom looked very excited to be there. Then, I read the story that a legit 1,500 showed up at the President's event in Oregon (same day).

Something just doesn't square about the so-called "momentum" that the media (FOX News included) is talking about at these Kerry rallies. P.S. Marine One flew right by our 7th floor condo we were staying in. Don't know if the Prez was in or not, but threw up the salute anyway!

9 posted on 08/13/2004 7:19:36 PM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: Roscoe Karns
Officials are loath to ascribe campaign motives to emergency response, but politics infuses everything this close to an election. No more so than in the state that handed Bush the presidency.

Who says politics infuses a natural disaster? Oh, right, the AP.

You people are truly sick.

And what is this about Florida handing Bush the election? I thought the Supreme Court did that. :-D

10 posted on 08/13/2004 7:21:26 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Roscoe Karns
I remember Andrew well. We stood amongst utter devastation; patrolling out neighborhoods with shotguns for 2 days before we heard a peep out of the state or the Feds. Trees blocked all access to our area. It was at least a week before we saw military choppers in the sky.

African nations get faster aid that that in an extreme emergency.

Bush Sr. was rightly criticized.

11 posted on 08/13/2004 7:27:16 PM PDT by zarf
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To: Roscoe Karns
Echo syndrome. Go to:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1191074/posts
12 posted on 08/13/2004 7:33:26 PM PDT by COURAGE (A charter member of the Grim FReeper Club)
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To: mattdono
I'm telling you the crowds that the President is drawing is indicative of the ground swell of support for the President, despite what the polls are saying.

Over 15,000 people waited in line for hours in 115 degree weather in Phoenix to see W.

13 posted on 08/13/2004 7:39:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Commander McBrag and the Cambodian Caper)
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To: Roscoe Karns

I bet that Kerry has plans to beat Bush to Florida to show that he cares more.


14 posted on 08/13/2004 7:40:03 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (It's all good.)
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To: cripplecreek
"The timing of this storm is rather suspicious."

Yes, why does AP bring it up now? Can't they wait to see what damage it does? What other story are they trying to overshadow? Did AP know Charley before he showed up in Florida? If not, why are they on a first name basis?

15 posted on 08/13/2004 7:43:41 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Jeff Chandler
Wow! I didn't know about that (as you might gather, I was on vacation for the last week or so...of course, you can see that my antenna are always up).

That's very impressive. Dry heat or not... 8^). Seriously though, it is not uncommon for the Florida events to be equally (more?) miserable (depending on where you fall on the humid heat vs. dry heat debate) and still draw incredible crowds.

Meanwhile...lil' Johnny Edward's draw in Orlando a week (or so) ago: 12! (or something like that, it was pathetic)

Just looking at today's Gallup poll that shows Bush 50 - Kerry 47. I''m really starting to believe the theory that Gallup and all the Kerry media allies at really playing with the margin of error (MOE) to make it look better. The old "+/- 3 on either side to keep it close" trick. If you believe that theory, then the race is more like Bush 53 - Kerry 44; or Bush 52 - Kerry 45. That seems to be more reasonable given the crowd assessment. But, if the partisan media didn't mess with the MOE, then Kerry would have no mo' (as in Uncle Mo', as in momentum).

We'll see how it shapes up, but I'm getting more and more positive about how the campaign is shaping up, especially going into the GOP convention.

And, I have good reason why to suspect that: just today Terry McAwful is out there, toting the old "convention is going to be a shame/convention is a circus" line...that must mean we are in good shape to do serious damage to the McAwful and crew.

16 posted on 08/13/2004 7:58:33 PM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: Bonaparte; cripplecreek

Rove leaked news of the hurricane to Robert Novak.


17 posted on 08/13/2004 8:01:04 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: Roscoe Karns
"Kerry is best to be silent on the issue."

What do you want to be he won't be?

18 posted on 08/13/2004 8:02:37 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle
"be he" = "bet he"

Fingers moving too fast...

19 posted on 08/13/2004 8:03:01 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: ARCADIA

Wasn't it benevolent of God to provide this hurricane for Bush! And He even steered it so it hit the state where Bush needed electoral votes and his brother was Governor so he could ask for help early. Now we know why Bush prays, it's so God will send circumstances that cause billions in destruction but benefit him politically. (end/sarcasm)

The Dems are downright paranoid and delusional these days.


20 posted on 08/13/2004 8:22:51 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: mattdono

Mondale drew huge crowds in October in 1984.

Kerry's crowds are big because 35% of the country hates Bush; but that won't get them the election.


21 posted on 08/13/2004 8:35:38 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ( Election day: FOUR Supreme Court Justices! Enough said.)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Interesting about Mondale, but I don't even think that Kerry is even drawing those that big of crowds, even given the visceral hatred that the left spews everyday.


22 posted on 08/13/2004 8:41:23 PM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: Roscoe Karns
"If he looks like he's doing this for a photo opportunity, it's going to backfire on him,"

Warning: this article is rated DP (Democrat Projection).

23 posted on 08/13/2004 8:50:21 PM PDT by auboy (At an early age, I began to understand that I was an American.)
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To: Roscoe Karns
"Rove leaked news of the hurricane to Robert Novak."

And Richard Mellon Scaife financed that hurricane. It sure didn't get here by hitch hiking.

24 posted on 08/13/2004 9:06:40 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: SandyInSeattle
"What do you want to be he won't be?"

Kerry should tap hurricane TerAYzah as the issue spokeswoman here. She's got a way with words, dontcha think?

25 posted on 08/13/2004 9:09:45 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: cripplecreek

Well .. not just the timing .. but I mean this has to be a right-wing conspiracy with some big wig Texan .. doncha think ..??


26 posted on 08/13/2004 9:11:48 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: The only way to Peace is through Victory!)
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To: Bonaparte

TerAYzah could make that hurricane stop dead and go back to where it came from!


27 posted on 08/13/2004 9:15:26 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Roscoe Karns
"If he looks like he's doing this for a photo opportunity, it's going to backfire on him,"

Warning: This article is rated DP (Democrat Projection).

28 posted on 08/13/2004 9:16:30 PM PDT by auboy (At an early age, I began to understand that I was an American.)
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To: zarf
I remember Andrew well. We stood amongst utter devastation; patrolling out neighborhoods with shotguns for 2 days before we heard a peep out of the state or the Feds. Trees blocked all access to our area. It was at least a week before we saw military choppers in the sky.

Where were you at? I was in the Tamiami Airport/Country Walk area.

I also remember the incredible number of people who would have rather died than lift a finger to help themselves. If it wasn't for the military coming in, these people would have died out of sheer stupidity.

29 posted on 08/13/2004 9:16:47 PM PDT by killjoy (Democracy spawns bad taste)
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To: auboy

BTTT


30 posted on 08/13/2004 9:20:09 PM PDT by auboy (At an early age, I began to understand that I was an American.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
LOL, with it's tail between its legs, whimpering all the way.

Problem is Floridians would rather deal with Charley than with her.

31 posted on 08/13/2004 9:26:52 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: auboy

Sorry - thought I was bumping another thread.


32 posted on 08/13/2004 9:30:52 PM PDT by auboy (At an early age, I began to understand that I was an American.)
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To: Roscoe Karns
Let's see
Fly over in helicopter
Return to White House
Declare FL. disaster area.
That's about it.
33 posted on 08/13/2004 9:32:13 PM PDT by dadburn (Isn't it time to say "Bless God ... America")
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To: cripplecreek

It's only a matter of time before someone suggests that and is serious about it.


34 posted on 08/13/2004 9:33:32 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Bill Schneider gave it the "Political Play of the Week."


35 posted on 08/13/2004 9:34:14 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Roscoe Karns

It is a test, in a way. I believe the Lord sent this hurricane in order to allow the President to remind swing-state voters of his crisis-management and leadership abilities under pressure. While my heart breaks for those who suffer losses in the storm, it will ultimately be for the greater good.


36 posted on 08/13/2004 9:41:57 PM PDT by jojodamofo
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To: killjoy
I remember Andrew well. We stood amongst utter devastation; patrolling out neighborhoods with shotguns for 2 days before we heard a peep out of the state or the Feds. Trees blocked all access to our area. It was at least a week before we saw military choppers in the sky.

Where were you at? I was in the Tamiami Airport/Country Walk area.

I was there the day after Andrew hit and I remember helicopters refueling over the Tamiami airport. They were probably National Guard. When the feds were brought in I saw C5's flying into Opa Locka every five minutes. Incredible!

37 posted on 08/13/2004 9:50:53 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
I was there the day after Andrew hit and I remember helicopters refueling over the Tamiami airport. They were probably National Guard. When the feds were brought in I saw C5's flying into Opa Locka every five minutes. Incredible!

I took about 10 rolls of film that week. Have some cool pictures somewhere around here of them refueling over my house. There were at least 20 helicopters stationed at Tamiami Airport. Everything from Kiowas to Pavehawks. MDCC was turned into a command post for the National Guard. I made a number of trips over there to drop off goodies for them.

38 posted on 08/13/2004 9:56:35 PM PDT by killjoy (Democracy spawns bad taste)
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To: Roscoe Karns

I found it rather interesting, early this afternnon, that gov. jeb bush was making damage estimates before the storm came ashore.


39 posted on 08/13/2004 9:59:55 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: Roscoe Karns
I actually heard Keith Oberman on MSNBC talking to a reporter suggesting that the forecasters were at fault for not accurately predicting the path of the hurricane since it went "Off Course" and hit someplace else it wasn't supposed to.
Here we are now blaming the forecasters and I guess the lawyers can sue for non-accuracy.
We can't even predict tomorrows weather but are supposed to be able to track a hurricane. What next?????????
40 posted on 08/13/2004 10:04:39 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Roscoe Karns

Everything is political with AP. I am sure Kerry will show up(when it is safe) and tell everyone how he would have stopped it. The media will report how he was there first.


41 posted on 08/13/2004 10:11:20 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Bonaparte

Whenever it's apparent by a headline that a cheap shot is about to be taken at the president, it's a good bet the Washington Post's little shop of horrors called "The Associated Press" is gonna be behind the commie tripe. You can almost call it as ya click on the story.


42 posted on 08/13/2004 10:17:28 PM PDT by Luke21 (Christ is wonderful.)
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To: Luke21
If he goes to Florida, he's a selfish opportunist.

If he doesn't go to Florida, he's an unfeeling brute.

In the liberal media, a Republican like Bush cannot win no matter what he does.

43 posted on 08/13/2004 11:31:52 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: killjoy
Where were you at?

Ugh...Homestead...

44 posted on 08/14/2004 3:48:57 AM PDT by zarf
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