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Kerry and the Three Purple Hearts
self | August 14, 2004 | DiamondDon

Posted on 08/14/2004 12:48:15 PM PDT by DiamondDon1

Kerry received three purple hearts and therefore, upon his request, was allowed to leave the combat area of Vietnam. I understand that the Navy's policy of letting those leave the combat area after getting three purple hearts was rarely used. Does anyone in this vast knowledge of military history and facts know how many others (besides Kerry):

1. Left the combat zone after receiving three purple hearts?

2. Got three purple hearts in the Navy during Vietnam?

I think this could be a most excellent point of discussion...


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To: RipSawyer

Also, there is a ship named the John Elliot Williams, top that Kerry.


21 posted on 08/14/2004 2:13:51 PM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: RipSawyer

I am not doubting the fact that there are true American heroes that received 3 purple hearts, but what I am trying to find out is how many got 3 purple hearts and got their ticket out of country.

So far, sadly no info...

DD


22 posted on 08/14/2004 2:23:30 PM PDT by DiamondDon1 (Card carrying Member VRWC)
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To: DiamondDon1
Where do we find out information about the others that received purple hearts?

Diamond Don, I don't quite understand your question. Do you want to know the total number of PH recipients because as you know a person's personal military service record is private unless that person releases it. The website you went to, that info is submitted by those who received a PH or is submitted by someone in their family for instance if the PH recipient was KIA.
23 posted on 08/14/2004 3:04:29 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: DiamondDon1

"I am not doubting the fact that there are true American heroes that received 3 purple hearts, but what I am trying to find out is how many got 3 purple hearts and got their ticket out of country"

This organization may be able to help you.


http://www.purpleheart.org
The Military Order of the Purple Heart
5413-B Backlick Road
Springfield, Virginia 22151
(703) 642-5360
(703) 642-2054 (fax)
Email: info@purpleheart.org


24 posted on 08/14/2004 3:20:36 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla

Unless something has changed, military records (not military medical records) are available to the public under an FOIA request. I got one on someone about 10 yrs ago and the only thing blacked out was his social security no.


25 posted on 08/14/2004 3:20:42 PM PDT by SheRebel
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To: SheRebel
Unless something has changed, military records (not military medical records) are available to the public under an FOIA request. I got one on someone about 10 yrs ago and the only thing blacked out was his social security no.
Well I may be wrong, I just don't know...
I thought our records were private. I never requested someone's records not even my own. LOL
26 posted on 08/14/2004 3:45:33 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: DiamondDon1
I just came across this which looks awfully suspicious:

Sailors stand together in An Thoi, Vietnam, on February 28, 1969, after a medal presentation for Silver Star action. From left: Del Sandusky, John Kerry, Gene Thorson, Thomas Belodeau. Kneeling from left, Mike Medeiros, Fred Short.

"In addition to Kerry's Silver Star PCF-94's performance on February 28 also earned Bronze Stars for Tommy Belodeau and Mike Medeiros and Navy Commendation Medals with Combat V Devices for Del Sandusky, Fred Short, and Gene Thorson." - Douglas Brinkley

27 posted on 08/14/2004 4:06:32 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

I forgot to add ... that was apparently a very, very busy day! what with getting medals in the morning and medals in the afternoon (the Rassman episode)


28 posted on 08/14/2004 4:07:37 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

I'm convinced that Kerry bought loyalty by giving out medals like they were hotcakes.
The reason Kerry is not in the purpleheart registry is that it requires a copy of your DD-214, and Kerry does not seem to want to release his records.
One last thing, upon returning from VN I served on DE-1038, the USS McCloy, named after John McCloy who earned 2 CMHs and 1 Navy Cross.


29 posted on 08/14/2004 4:24:24 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (So many questions for Kerry - so few answers from Kerry)
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To: stockpirate

I've read a lot about this, and I believe there is some TRUTH in the fact that he may have been too reckless, and a danger to his crew.


30 posted on 08/14/2004 4:49:19 PM PDT by meema
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To: DiamondDon1
Note that the procedure used as a basis for Kerry exiting Vietnam does not mention "Purple Hearts". It only says "wounded three times." The Wounds, not the Purple Hearts were the operative item in invoking the language of the procedure.

From the Reassignment Request:

www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Thrice_Wounded_Reassignment.pdf

R 170730Z Mar 69
FM COMCOSRON ONE

A. BUPERSINST 1300.39

1. LTJG John Forbes Kerry USNR has been thrice wounded in action while on duty incountry Vietnam. Reassignment is requested IAW Ref A.

2. LTJG Kerry req duty as personal aide in Boston, New Yor or Wash, D.C. area. If aide, assignment not avail then any assignment considered qualified for.

3. LTJG Kerry presently on full duty status and available for reassignment.

Clarification on procedure:
www.campaigndesk.org/archives/000451.asp

The Campaign Desk
Critique and analysis of 2004 campaign coverage from Columbia Journalism Review

(snip)

The policy in question, the impenetrably-named BUPERS Instruction 1300.39, is no longer in place. During Vietnam, it mandated that any soldier "wounded three times, regardless of the nature of the wound or treatment required" should be "reassigned as having completed a full Vietnam tour with the hospital release date considered the tour completion date. They will not be ordered to Vietnam ..."

Furthermore, the official U.S. Navy document states that, "The commanding officer of an officer who is hospitalized and/or wounded under the above criteria will advise the Chief of Naval Personnel (Pers-B1) of the officer's location, duty status, and expected duration of hospitalization. Reassignment of the officer will be determined after consideration of his physical classification and on an individual basis."

An additional, virtually unreported section of the Navy code, notes that any soldier wishing to "waive reassignment under the purview of this Instruction must forward a written request to that effect to the Chief of Naval personnel (Pers-B) for final determination."

Kerry, of course, chose not to waive this order, and his commanding officers request for re-assignment can be viewed (PDF file) on the candidate's Web site.


31 posted on 08/14/2004 5:51:24 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: conservative in nyc; kellynla; kabar

Ping - FYI


32 posted on 08/14/2004 5:53:32 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: DiamondDon1
This Command History Summary of Coastal Division 11, recently added to Kerry's website, notes two other sailors who received 3 purple hearts in 1969:

BM3 Stevens
LTJG Galvin

But the Kerry folks did a crappy job scanning the document, and the bottom got cut off. So we don't know if there were more.

One other interesting thing:

Kerry's listed as having received a Silver Star, but not a Bronze Star in 1969, according to this document. And Kerry's the only one listed as receiving a Silver Star.
33 posted on 08/14/2004 6:34:46 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: DiamondDon1
As a military widow and mother, I can't do more than sit in the peanut gallery and urge you on, but my prayers are always with the men and women who serve our country, no what their station.

I think sKerry is a disgrace to everything America stands for, and I think he should co-habit with Hanoi Jane in whatever country she is loving now. (Hopefully, NVN) Neither of them deserve the freedoms they enjoy as US citizens. (The Bestids.)

34 posted on 08/16/2004 7:41:38 PM PDT by Monkey Face (The obvious is always new to somebody.)
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To: DiamondDon1

I had the exact same question and did a search to find this thread. Wish somebody knew the answer.

Two questions:

1. How many other vets were released from combat for receiving three purple hearts, or three wounds?

2. How many of those happened in a three month period?


35 posted on 08/19/2004 8:48:34 PM PDT by stevestras
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To: DiamondDon1
"Kerry and the Three Purple Hearts."

Sounds like a hip-hop boy band.

36 posted on 08/19/2004 8:49:45 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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