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Columnist Says Barack Obama 'Lied To The American People;' Asks Publisher to Withdraw Obama's Book
Yahoo Finance News page ^ | 8/10/04 | Andy Martin

Posted on 08/15/2004 4:21:34 PM PDT by SpinyNorman

NEW YORK, Aug. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Out2.com's independent contrarian columnist, Andy Martin, will publish a column and hold simultaneous news conferences in New York and London on Wednesday, August 11th to disclose he believes Barack Obama is a political fraud who "lied to the American people." Martin has asked Crown Books to stop sales of Obama's book because of its fraudulent content. Martin says Obama may be a threat to the Jewish community.

NEWS CONFERENCE DETAILS:

New York: Time/date: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:00 A.M. Location: Northeast Corner of Fifth Avenue and 65th Street (Temple Emanu-El)

London: Time/date: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:00 P.M. Location: 2 Dryden Mansions, Queens Club Gardens London W14

"I feel sad having to expose Barack Obama," says Martin, "but the man is a complete fraud. The truth is going to surprise, and disappoint, and outrage many people who were drawn to him. He has lied to the American people, and he has sought to misrepresent his own heritage.

"Obama's life story is vastly different from the one he portrays. My point: if he will lie about his mother and father, what else is he lying about? Can we expect 'bimbo eruptions?'

"Fiction: Obama stated in his Convention speech: 'My father ... grew up herding goats.' The 'goat herder' claim has been repeated endlessly. It is a lie. Fact: Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama was a prominent and wealthy farmer. His son, Obama's father, was a child of privilege, not privation. He was an outstanding student, not a herdsman.

"Fiction: Obama was given an 'African' name. Fact: Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion. I am a strong supporter of the Muslim community, and I believe Muslims have been scapegoated. Obama has a great opportunity to be forthright. Instead, he has treated his Muslim heritage as a dark secret. His grandfather was named 'Hussein.' That is an Arabic-Muslim, not African, name. Hussein was a devout Muslim and named his son, Barack Senior, 'Baraka.' Baraka is an Arabic word meaning 'blessed.' Baraka comes out of the Koran and Arabic, not Africa.

"Barack Senior was also a devoted Muslim, and also chose a Muslim name for his son, our own Barack Obama, Junior. Again, his name was an Arabic and Koranic.

Obama has spent a lifetime running from his family heritage and religious heritage. Would his father have given his son a Koranic name if the father was not a devout Muslim? Obama's stepfather was also a Muslim. Obama will be the first Muslim-heritage senator; he should be proud of that fact. There is nothing to be ashamed of in any of the three great Abrahamic religions.

"Fiction: Obama Senior was a harmless student 'immigrant' who came to the United States only to study. Fact: Obama was part of one of the most corrupt and violent organizations in Africa: the Kenyatta regime. Obama's father ran back to Kenya soon after the British left. It is likely Obama's father had Mau Mau sympathies or connections, or he would not have been welcomed into the murderous inner circle of rapists, murderers, and arsonists. I believe Obama's secret shame at his family history of rape, murder and arson is what actualizes him. Our research is not yet complete. We are seeking to examine British colonial records. Our investigation to date has drawn on information on three continents.

"And what about Obama's beloved Kenyan brothers and sisters? None of his family was invited to Boston to share his prominence. Are his relatives being kept in the closet? Where are they? More secrecy, more prevarication.

"It is time for Barack Obama to stop presenting a fantasy to the American people. We are forgiving and many would still support him. It may well be that his concealment is meant to endanger Israel. His Muslim religion would obviously raise serious questions in many Jewish circles where Obama now enjoys support," Martin states.

"Our investigation is continuing. In he meantime, Crown Books should stop selling Obama's novelization of his life. We have asked Crown to do that. Obama is living a lie."

RESOURCES: Martin's columns at Out2.com (Govt & Politics); E-mail: andy@andymartin.com

Source: Andy Martin Worldwide Communications


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: andymartin; lied; muslim; obama; obamaisamuslim
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I didn't find this previously published on FR. My apologies if it was.

I can understand why he might want to hide his Muslim faith, but nowadays, that is more than an embarassment, it is a national security issue. More than Jews will have to worry about this if he is hiding his Muslim background.

Is there a reason why the DNC didn't mention this at the convention as a part of their big diversity tent?

1 posted on 08/15/2004 4:21:35 PM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: SpinyNorman

First I'd heard of it. Thanks.

Geeee, I wonder how they'll spin this?


2 posted on 08/15/2004 4:26:13 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism)
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To: SpinyNorman

Obama bin Laden will fit right in with the other creeps in the Washington DNC freak show.


3 posted on 08/15/2004 4:26:34 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: SpinyNorman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1189687/posts


4 posted on 08/15/2004 4:26:36 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: SpinyNorman

This is amazing. I am willing to bet this story never gets as far as the swift boats story. Big News will crush this one as quickly as possible.


5 posted on 08/15/2004 4:27:03 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (http://chucksutahblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: SpinyNorman

"Is there a reason why the DNC didn't mention this at the convention as a part of their big diversity tent?"

Probably because truth was not on the agenda that night.
;-0)


6 posted on 08/15/2004 4:27:17 PM PDT by LakeLady (Truth is light - Is that why Kerry is so shady?)
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To: SpinyNorman

The fictionalization of qualifications, accomplishments, and life histories is standard behavior for Rat liberals. No surprise here.


7 posted on 08/15/2004 4:28:26 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: SpinyNorman
I didn't find this previously published on FR. My apologies if it was.

Very appropriate. Good find!

8 posted on 08/15/2004 4:28:36 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: elhombrelibre

"I am willing to bet this story never gets as far as the swift boats story. Big News will crush this one as quickly as possible."

I'll take that bet, and raise you..... one Alan Keyes.:-)


9 posted on 08/15/2004 4:28:54 PM PDT by bluecollarman
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To: SpinyNorman

Amazing if true. Once again, we learn of yet another Democrat who should never talk about himself without first uttering the words, "Once upon a time." But what makes me feel so warm and fuzzy is the prospect that the voters of Illinois have such a golden opportunity to send a Muslim to Congress as their SENATOR! And the possibility of past family ties to the Mau Maus is jaw dropping!


10 posted on 08/15/2004 4:32:39 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: SpinyNorman

And here's Mr. Martin's website:

http://www.andymartin.com/why.htm


11 posted on 08/15/2004 4:36:07 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: SpinyNorman

Thanks for posting this.


12 posted on 08/15/2004 4:36:25 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: SpinyNorman
...he believes Barack Obama is a political fraud who "lied to the American people."

So basically what we have here is a barak obama alKerry sama? The continuous lines of bullshit being spewed by demoncraps is getting real hard to follow.

FMCDH(BITS)

13 posted on 08/15/2004 4:38:21 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: bluecollarman
"I'll take that bet, and raise you..... one Alan Keyes.:-)"

You got THAT right....a shrinking violet Mr. Keyes is NOT!!!!!! I am hoping that with Keyes oratory skills, this one WON'T die and the Swift Boat Vets for Truth will be able to ride a fast current right along with it into the mainstream media........geez, think about it, Swift Boat Vets, McGreevey and NOW THIS????????? Whoo-hee, I'm buckling in and enjoying the show this election cycle!!

14 posted on 08/15/2004 4:40:51 PM PDT by soozla (Crime, lies, sex, alcohol, drugs.........boy, do I LOVE DEMOCRAT POLITICS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: SpinyNorman

"I was born a poor black child...."

15 posted on 08/15/2004 4:42:37 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: LakeLady
"Is there a reason why the DNC didn't mention this at the convention as a part of their big diversity tent?" Probably because truth was not on the agenda that night. ;-0) Actually, this was part of their diversity demonstration. It just goes to show that there is a diversity of fantasies in the Democratic Party.
16 posted on 08/15/2004 4:43:57 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: SpinyNorman

Good find. Is this man even black?


17 posted on 08/15/2004 4:50:06 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: coconutt2000

Well, duh me! I completely forgot the fantasy diversity factor. How thilly!


18 posted on 08/15/2004 4:50:49 PM PDT by LakeLady (sKerry's shady lady has soup on her face.)
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To: SpinyNorman


This story won't do anything to the Illinois Senate Race..


BUT.. It will take care of any further ambitions he might have. They were touting this guy as a potential Presidential candidate in the future (2012, 2016, etc..)..


He will never pass muster outside of a liberal rats nest like Chicago.


19 posted on 08/15/2004 4:52:06 PM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: LakeLady

Would never have occurred to me if you didn't link the two stories together in the first place. :-)


20 posted on 08/15/2004 4:52:12 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: SpinyNorman

A Democrat lied?! Couldn't be!


21 posted on 08/15/2004 4:53:34 PM PDT by inkling
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To: inkling
I saw Obama today on tv he said he was Christian.
22 posted on 08/15/2004 4:54:43 PM PDT by since1868
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To: SpinyNorman
Could you imagine the outrage if Republicans in the 40s had tried to send a person concealing his Nazi background to the Senate? Anyone involved would have been lucky to have gotten away with tar and feathers.
23 posted on 08/15/2004 4:56:50 PM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: since1868

Oh God, help us all!!!!!!!!


24 posted on 08/15/2004 4:56:54 PM PDT by LakeLady (I'm scarrrrrrrrrrrred!)
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To: inkling

................................................."He's okay BI me!"
25 posted on 08/15/2004 5:05:22 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Who was Madame Binh's messenger boy?)
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To: since1868
This Obama is a Muslim rumor is nothing but a lie. Obama' said he's Christian because he is Christian. From the Chicago Sun Times:

'I have a deep faith'

April 5, 2004

BY CATHLEEN FALSANI SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Casually straightening his tie with one hand as he holds the door for a stranger with the other, the young politician strides into the cafe, greeting an employee by name and flashing a big grin at the rest of the room.

He grabs a bottled protein shake from the cooler at the back of Cafe Baci on South Michigan Avenue, and settles into a table near the soft-drink dispenser, doffing his suit jacket along the way.

Barack Obama is alone on this Saturday afternoon in the city, his press secretary nowhere in sight. He's not carrying anything with him. Not even notes.

Yet he appears confident as he answers questions about his spiritual life, a subject that would make many politicians -- on or off the campaign trail -- more skittish than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

If an hourlong conversation about his faith unnerves him, Obama's not letting on.

The first question he fields without hesitation: What does he believe?

"I am a Christian," the 42-year-old Illinois state senator and Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate says, as one of the nearby customers interrupts to congratulate him on his recent primary win. Obama shakes the man's hand and says, "Thank you very much. I appreciate that," before turning his attention directly back to the question.

"So, I have a deep faith," Obama continues. "I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.

"That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."

It's perhaps an unlikely theological position for someone who places his faith squarely at the feet of Jesus to take, saying essentially that all people of faith -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone -- know the same God.

That depends, Obama says, on how a particular verse from the Gospel of John, where Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me," is heard.

Obama's theological point of view was shaped by his uniquely multicultural upbringing. He was born in 1961 in Hawaii to a white mother who came from Protestant Midwestern stock and a black African father who hailed from the Luo tribe of Kenya.

Obama describes his father, after whom he is named, as "agnostic." His paternal grandfather was a Muslim. His mother, he says, was a Christian.

"My mother, who I think had as much influence on my values as anybody, was not someone who wore her religion on her sleeve," he says. "We'd go to church for Easter. She wasn't a 'church lady.' "

In his 1993 memoir, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance, Obama describes his mother as "a lonely witness for secular humanism."

"My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess, a faith that she would refuse to describe as religious; that, in fact, her experience told her was sacrilegious: a faith that rational, thoughtful people could shape their own destiny," he says in the book.

When he was 6 years old, after his parents divorced, Obama moved with his mother and her new husband -- a non-practicing Muslim -- to Indonesia, where he lived until he was 10 and attended a Roman Catholic school.

"I went to a Catholic school in a Muslim country, so I was studying the Bible and catechisms by day, and, at night, you'd hear the [Muslim] prayer call," Obama recalls. "My mother was a deeply spiritual person and would spend a lot of time talking about values and give me books about the world's religions and talk to me about them.

"Her view always was that underlying these religions was a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself, but also for the greater good."

Obama earned a degree in political science from New York's Columbia University in 1983 and in 1991 graduated magna cum laude with a law degree from Harvard University. Since 1993, he has been a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School.

Those experiences, as much as his multireligious childhood, affect how he expresses his faith, Obama says.

"Alongside my own deep personal faith, I am a follower, as well, of our civic religion," he says. "I am a big believer in the separation of church and state. I am a big believer in our constitutional structure. I mean, I'm a law professor at the University of Chicago teaching constitutional law.

"I am a great admirer of our founding charter and its resolve to prevent theocracies from forming and its resolve to prevent disruptive strains of fundamentalism from taking root in this country.

"I think there is an enormous danger on the part of public figures to rationalize or justify their actions by claiming God's mandate. I don't think it's healthy for public figures to wear religion on their sleeve as a means to insulate themselves from criticism, or dialogue with people who disagree with them."

Still, Obama is unapologetic in saying he has a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." As a sign of that relationship, he says, he walked down the aisle of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ in response to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's altar call one Sunday morning about 16 years ago.

The politician could have ended his spiritual tale right there, at the point some people might assume his life changed, when he got "saved," transformed, washed in the blood. But Obama wants to clarify what truly happened.

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them.... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.

So how did he become a churchgoer?

It began in 1985, when he came to Chicago as a $13,000-a-year community organizer, working with a number of African-American churches in the Roseland, West Pullman and Altgeld Gardens neighborhoods that were trying to deal with the devastation caused by shuttered steel plants.

"I started working with both the ministers and the lay people in these churches on issues like creating job-training programs, or after-school programs for youth, or making sure that city services were fairly allocated to underserved communities," he says. "And it was in those places where I think what had been more of an intellectual view of religion deepened.

"I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and its importance in the community. And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply."

Obama says he reads the Bible, though not as regularly as he'd like, now that he's on the campaign trail. But he does find time to pray.

"It's not formal, me getting on my knees," he says. "I think I have an ongoing conversation with God.... I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why I am doing it.

"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."

Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.

"I always have felt in him this consciousness that, at the end of the day, with all of us, you've got to face God," Pfleger says of Obama. "Faith is key to his life, no question about it. [It is] central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father.... I don't think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is."

Another person Obama says he seeks out for spiritual counsel is state Sen. James Meeks, who is also the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church. The day after Obama won the primary in March, he stopped by Salem for Wednesday-night Bible study.

"I know that he's a person of prayer," Meeks says. "The night after the election, he was the hottest thing going from Galesburg to Rockford. He did all the TV shows, and all the morning news, but his last stop at night was for church. He came by to say thank you, and he came by for prayer."

Obama admits it's not easy for politicians to talk about faith.

"Part of the reason I think it's always difficult for public figures to talk about this is that the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you," he says. "Oftentimes, that's by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest common denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is.

"The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that [if] people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell."

Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell.

But he's not sure if he'll be going to heaven, either.

"I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die," he says. "When I tuck in my daughters at night, and I feel like I've been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they're kind people and that they're honest people, and they're curious people, that's a little piece of heaven."
26 posted on 08/15/2004 5:13:28 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter; Hillary's Lovely Legs

... and the band plays on ...


27 posted on 08/15/2004 5:14:07 PM PDT by IncPen (Quality, not Quantity.)
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To: SpinyNorman

>>Fact: Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion

Every time I hear Obama's name, I think of how the Capitol Steps used to do a spoonerism bit (part of their Lirty Dies and Scicious Vandals) entitled "Obama Sin Laden"...

---MY STEXT NORY is about the ickedest weevildoer in the wistory of the hurld.
Obama Sin Laden.
Aren't you gonna biss? Aren't you gonna hoo?
What a bastardly dastard.
He's worse than Rack the Jipper.
He's worse than Whidely Sniplash.
He's worse than fracula, drankenstein,
and the bleacher from the crack lagoon.
And he is utt-buggly. On a scale of ton to when.he's a ton.
But he's a gorny hi. With wive fives. That's an iscomic lustom.
It's how they copulate their puntry.
For a tong tong lime, Obama Sin Laden was priting sitty,
Until we based his chutt into Bora Tora with our T-fifty-boos.
It widn't durk. Obama, beek-a-poo, yare are woo?
Did you peak into Snakistan? Did you ooze your way into
Schmoozebekistan?


28 posted on 08/15/2004 5:26:48 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Chi-townChief

We must be VERY careful that we are 110% sure that any info that we have is correct. The media just lives to discredit us, not to do investigations or report ALL the news.


29 posted on 08/15/2004 5:31:58 PM PDT by cfrels
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To: conservative in nyc

Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell.
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REALLY? That's my kind of Christian!


30 posted on 08/15/2004 5:36:27 PM PDT by vanagoner
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To: SpinyNorman

It's a list of charges without any supporting evidence, and the tone is flakey. I suspect Martin is doing this only to get publicity.


31 posted on 08/15/2004 5:37:46 PM PDT by Grut
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To: RandallFlagg

Same way they always do when cornered.

RACIST! HOMOPHOBE! INTOLERANT! BIGOT! HATEMONGER!


32 posted on 08/15/2004 5:48:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Dying babies on a shelf
Obama says they're not fit to live
Even after they've dodged the sharp edge
Of the abortionist's shiv

He says he reads the Bible
He says he always prays
But he'll have to answer to God
One of these days


33 posted on 08/15/2004 5:54:17 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Impossible' is the favorite word of cowards...nothing is impossible with God...)
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To: EternalVigilance

When he's on his death bed, I hope his ears will be filled the wail of unborn babies as they're ground up. And they DO cry and feel pain.


34 posted on 08/15/2004 5:55:37 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Grut
It's a list of charges without any supporting evidence,

I noticed the same thing. If this peice was written about a conservative every Freeper would be quick to point that out.

35 posted on 08/15/2004 6:02:27 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: vanagoner
Well, then I guess Obama isn't a Muslim either, since they believe in hell too. From The Muslim's Belief website:

We believe in paradise and hell. Paradise is the abode of enjoyment which Allah, the Exalted, prepared for the righteous. No eye has ever seen, no ear has ever heard of, and no human being has ever thought of the blessings that they will enjoy there: "No soul knows what comfort is kept hidden for them, as a reward for their deeds" (32:17). Hell is the abode of punishment that Allah has prepared for the unbelievers and the evildoers. The torture and horror in it cannot be imagined: "Surely, We have prepared for the evildoers a fire, whose pavilion encompasses them. If they call for help, they will be helped with water like molten copper which will scald their faces. How dreadful a drink and how evil a resting place!" (18:29).

Both paradise and hell exist now and will never perish: "Whoever believes in Allah and does righteousness, He will admit him to gardens beneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever. Allah had indeed made for him an excellent provision" (65-11); "Certainly, Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared for them a blazing fire to dwell therein forever, they shall find neither protector nor helper. On the day when their faces are turned about in the fire they shall say: 'Would that we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!"' (33: 64-6).

Barack Obama would not be the first Christian not to believe in hell as an actual place, but the absence of God in the afterlife.
36 posted on 08/15/2004 6:14:08 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: JustPiper

Ping away O keeper of the list.

B. O., "You see that flash of light in the corner of your eye? That's your career dissipation light. It just went into high gear." (BackDraft, 1991)


37 posted on 08/15/2004 6:15:20 PM PDT by Right_Handed_Writer (Once you take away what is right...What's LEFT?)
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To: Grut; Hugin
It's a list of charges without any supporting evidence, and the tone is flakey. I suspect Martin is doing this only to get publicity.

I guess you guys didn't figure out yet that this is a story about the news conference citing a few of the things that will be covered then. It's not meant to be in itself an exhaustive piece of investigatory journalism. Either you're being sloppy or you're setting up a straw man. You sound quite a bit like the Kerry campaign talking about the Swift boat ad: it just asserts thing but doesn't offer any evidence!
38 posted on 08/15/2004 6:26:55 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: conservative in nyc
The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that [if] people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell." Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell. But he's not sure if he'll be going to heaven, either.

Well..why don't we just pick out the things we like from the bible and throw the rest away? This is exactly OPPOSITE of what Christ teaches. Obamba may disagree with that, but it is what defines Christians.

Christ himself Commands us to evangelize and proselytize. It is not a choice for Christians. We may be lazy, we may refuse to do it, but... Christians know without a shadow of a doubt they are supposed to do it.

There is but one way to arrive. Through our Lord Jesus Christ. Christ also said "Feed my Sheep", was that just idle chit chat? Where do you stop? Gay Priests? Abortion on demand? Gay Marriage?

God has a message for these Christians that are neither Hot or cold. These Luke-warms are in for a hard time. He may want to think about the hell part a little more the next time he breaks out his bible.

Obamba has no security as a Christian and he does not believe in Hell. Well okay, but Jesus sure did. I think Alan will set him straight.

39 posted on 08/15/2004 6:46:06 PM PDT by bluecollarman
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To: aruanan
You sound quite a bit like the Kerry campaign talking about the Swift boat ad: it just asserts thing but doesn't offer any evidence!

No I don't. The Kerry people were attacking the swifties as frauds despite the fact that they are presenting testimony from hundreds of highly decorated veterans. They were judging them without looking at any evidence. All I am saying is that most people here are accepting the charges as true without seeing if there is evidence to back it up. If anything that is what the Kerry people are doing, choosing to believe or disbelieve charges based on political bias instead of evidence.

40 posted on 08/15/2004 7:05:05 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; goldenstategirl; ...

Ping.


41 posted on 08/15/2004 7:07:53 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: SpinyNorman

Obama and Kerry perfect together. Lies about their heritage and their true intentions.


42 posted on 08/15/2004 7:07:59 PM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: SpinyNorman
The guy who put out this press release, Andy Martin, is a nutjob who is running for senator in Florida as a Republican. If you believe this press release, will also believe his claim when he ran for president (that's right, for president) in 2000 that George W. Bush should not be elected because he had a cocaine problem?

I also find it rather unbelievable that you did not find this previously published on FR, since it has the exact same title as the piece that was posted just a few days ago. It is obvious from reading the replies that there are some Freepers naive enough to fall for this crapola. Thankfully there are others who recognize that this campaign can only be one by pointing out the differences in the policies the two candidates promote and why the policies promoted by Obama are not those that the people of Illinois should approve.
43 posted on 08/15/2004 10:02:30 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: Right_Handed_Writer; unspun; technochick99; EternalVigilance; TheRightGuy; RedWing9; spintreebob; ..
Keyes ping list, courtesy of FRN-IL. Just let me know if you want on/off this list! Also...

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Get up to date with Alan Keyes, his schedule and campaign.

Be an Obama fan! 8-o Encourage our Socialist Rock Star Barack to do those 6 Lincoln/Douglas style debates with that 'right-winger' Alan Keyes!: info@obamaforillinois.com & bobama@aol.com

44 posted on 08/16/2004 12:46:21 AM PDT by JustPiper (~ It can be good news when there is no terror threat to report ~)
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To: aruanan
I guess you guys didn't figure out yet that this is a story about the news conference citing a few of the things that will be covered then.

That's a fair cop if the news conference comes off as you suggest; but the charges, at this time, are unsupported and the story's publicity value is now.

45 posted on 08/16/2004 6:07:34 AM PDT by Grut
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To: freekitty
Only half. His mother is WHITE, was from Kansas and Obama grew up in Hawaii with his mom, ole dad skipped out when he was young, and then Obama went to Harvard for four years. He isn't even really from IL.
46 posted on 08/16/2004 6:15:36 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: conservative in nyc
Uh, this article says he grew up in Indonesia? That's odd, all the other articles say he grew up in Hawaii?!?!

btw, In case you don't know the Chicago Slum-Times, oops, the Sun-Times caters to the 'black community'. All it's editorial columnists are black, including the REV, Jesse Jacka$$.

In short, this rag is the Daily Defender with better equipment and more money. The only saving grace of the Sun-Times is the diagram-less crossword puzzle.

47 posted on 08/16/2004 6:29:32 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: Hugin

Also, he wouldn't be the first Muslim to serve in the Senate. Spence Abraham(R-MI) was.


48 posted on 08/16/2004 6:57:10 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("I'm just a gigolo, and everywhere I go, people know I'm lyin' about 'Nam".....)
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To: drjimmy
The guy who put out this press release, Andy Martin, is a nutjob who is running for senator in Florida as a Republican. If you believe this press release, will also believe his claim when he ran for president (that's right, for president) in 2000 that George W. Bush should not be elected because he had a cocaine problem?

I also find it rather unbelievable that you did not find this previously published on FR, since it has the exact same title as the piece that was posted just a few days ago. It is obvious from reading the replies that there are some Freepers naive enough to fall for this crapola. Thankfully there are others who recognize that this campaign can only be one by pointing out the differences in the policies the two candidates promote and why the policies promoted by Obama are not those that the people of Illinois should approve.

Penny for your thoughts. This popped up when I checked my Yahoo mail and I didn't recall seeing it on FR. I *did* do a search, but it did not come up. Perhaps I misspelled a word? At any rate, it is a valid questions, as I had not heard about his Muslim background before. If the DNC is trying to keep it quiet, then it should be open for discussion. I am quite confident that Keyes will handle himself and the issues with or without this. As for Martin, I don't know a thing about him. Why not post some stories about him so we can make our own judgement on his sanity?

49 posted on 08/16/2004 8:16:16 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (With Kerry, "nuance" and "unprincipled" are one and the same. NOW with added "compromised!!")
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To: SpinyNorman

I wonder if any sharp FR researcher (and there are MANY, MANY of them here) could check up on any link between Louis Farrakhan and Obama???? Not that it would be easy to find, but it WOULD be an interesting find!!!!.................


50 posted on 08/16/2004 8:19:08 AM PDT by soozla (Definition of "Gun Control": USE BOTH HANDS!!)
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