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Unfit for Office
Wall Street Journal Editorial Page ^ | May 4, 2004 | John O'Neill

Posted on 08/15/2004 6:56:49 PM PDT by nicmarlo

I was on Mr. Kerry's boat in Vietnam. He doesn't deserve to be commander in chief.

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HOUSTON--In 1971, I debated John Kerry, then a national spokesman for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, for 90 minutes on "The Dick Cavett Show." The key issue in that debate was Mr. Kerry's claim that American troops were committing war crimes in Vietnam "on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Now, as Sen. Kerry emerges as the presumptive Democratic nominee for the presidency, I've chosen to re-enter the fray.

Like John Kerry, I served in Vietnam as a Swift Boat commander. Ironically, John Kerry and I served much of our time, a full 12 months in my case and a controversial four months in his, commanding the exact same six-man boat, PCF-94, which I took over after he requested early departure. Despite our shared experience, I still believe what I believed 33 years ago--that John Kerry slandered America's military by inventing or repeating grossly exaggerated claims of atrocities and war crimes in order to advance his own political career as an antiwar activist. His misrepresentations played a significant role in creating the negative and false image of Vietnam vets that has persisted for over three decades.

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1 posted on 08/15/2004 6:56:49 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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2 posted on 08/15/2004 6:58:15 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: nicmarlo

Given recent events, it would be nice to see the WSJ republish this, or allow O'Neill to 'revise and extend.'


3 posted on 08/15/2004 6:58:35 PM PDT by Petronski (I am become death, destroyer of worlds.)
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To: bitt; sweetliberty; MeekOneGOP; BunnySlippers; The Wizard; Soul Seeker; BlueOx; ALOHA RONNIE; ...

FYI ping....checked to see if this article has previously been posted, but doesn't appear to have been.


4 posted on 08/15/2004 6:59:08 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Kerry, by his own account, violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer, and he further stands in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution.

Upon entering the Navy in 1966, John Kerry signed a six-year contract (plus a six-month extension during wartime) and an Officer Candidate contract for five years of active duty and active Naval Reserve. This indicates that Kerry was clearly a commissioned officer at the time of his 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris -- in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent coddling of Communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article three, Section three, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare. (As General Vo Nguyen Giap is his witness....)

Thus, we refer our readers to the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

It is for this reason -- for his record of giving aid and comfort to the enemy while a member of the U.S. Armed Forces in violation of his oath -- that we insist John Kerry resign his seat in the U.S. Senate. He has dishonored his family, dishonored his state and dishonored our nation. He is not fit for public office at any level of government, much less, the highest office in the land. John Kerry should resign




5 posted on 08/15/2004 6:59:44 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: counterpunch

great pic!


6 posted on 08/15/2004 7:00:07 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

replay of J kerry and J. O'NEILL now on c span.
just going off damm.


7 posted on 08/15/2004 7:01:49 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Liberals are like catfish ( all mouth and no brains )(bottom feeders))
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To: Petronski

Three months old isn't so bad...and I expect we'll probably be hearing more from him.


8 posted on 08/15/2004 7:01:49 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Petronski

I'd also like to see Kerry's Senate speech scolding then presidential candidate Bob Kerry for bringing up the Vietnam war when Bob Kerry was questioning Clinton's draft dodging. It's a classic Kerry flip flop - 180 degrees from his politicize of the war today.


9 posted on 08/15/2004 7:02:49 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (http://chucksutahblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: Squantos
He is not fit for public office at any level of government, much less, the highest office in the land. John Kerry should resign.

He's nothing but a cad and a lying traitor.

10 posted on 08/15/2004 7:03:15 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I was just watching it; it will be replayed again, in a few hours I believe.


11 posted on 08/15/2004 7:03:50 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Buy the book, and send money to these guys: www.swiftvets.com


12 posted on 08/15/2004 7:04:15 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: conshack

ping


13 posted on 08/15/2004 7:05:19 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

That's what scares most people about John Kerry. His lack of loyalty to his fellows, his willingness to lie to advance himself, and his utter disregard for the truth.


14 posted on 08/15/2004 7:05:44 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: OKSooner

I plan to buy the book, as well as donating to their cause....pretty soon here.


15 posted on 08/15/2004 7:05:58 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
The article should have started with, "Unlike David Alston, I was on Mr. Kerry's boat in Vietnam.
16 posted on 08/15/2004 7:06:15 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: McGavin999

The good part: he's being outted for what he is.


17 posted on 08/15/2004 7:06:26 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: spycatcher

good point.


18 posted on 08/15/2004 7:08:50 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: All

Here's some pertinent kerry history!!!!

Below is excerpted statements to Congress, 22 April, 1971 by Lt. John F. Kerry USNR(Inactive Reserve Status).



"Mr. KERRY. My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

Furhter paired down to:

"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points..."(kerry and his VVAW negotiated in Paris with the then enemy.)

Stated by kerry to Our U.S. Congress which is in the Official Congressional Record, 22 April, 1971.

I'll let ALL of you think your own thoughts about this, however, I cannot for the life of me, picture kerry in any elected office, never mind being Commander in Chief!!!!

Why kerry was not indicted, tried and convicted for Treason and Sedition under the appropriate Articles, We will never know.

The Media SHAMELESSLY hides this TRUTH(In the Congressional Record, dated 22 April, 1971) from the Public!!!! They are equally Treasonous and Seditionous as kerry is!!!!This Blatant Example of the media shows that we no longer have a FREE and TRUTHFUL Press(Straight ALL the Way LEFT of Center)!!!!

kerry had his VVAW which led to the deaths of thousands or hundreds of thousands of deaths in Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia after he and his VVAW accomplished their mission in getting U.S. withdrawal in South Viet Nam. kerry and his VVAW forever tarnished the image of U.S. Viet Nam Vets!!!!

The Democratic Party is no longer the Democratic Party!!!! For them to select kerry and his two forunners Clinton and Gore show they have become the party of our enemies!!!!

We cannot ALLOW this to STAND!!!!

Defender2

Some More Interesting historical news about kerry:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091943/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1160580/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165078/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1181426/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1181954/posts

Some of kerry's friends listed below:

http://www.cpusa.org/

http://www.dsausa.org/

DSA's "Progressive Caucus" Links below:

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp

They are the Enemy Within!!!!

I have at least one or two interesting posts about said such subject matter, below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1165983/posts

And see:

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

More: Communist Party Backs the RATS!!!! below:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1171176/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1172055/posts


More!!!! Socialists(DSA) backs kerry!!!! Below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1179854/posts

More of the Enemy within!!!!

Even More!!!! Red China Backs kerry!!!! See Below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1180437/posts


Avoid the Socialists/Communists backed johns(not capitolised on purpose) like the Plague!!!!

Flush the Socialists/Communists/Enemies Loving Johns down the john!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh!!!! And one more:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1191742/posts

D2


19 posted on 08/15/2004 7:13:44 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Defender2; backhoe

Backhoe, you may be interested in Defender2's post....


20 posted on 08/15/2004 7:15:45 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: OKSooner

I got the book from Hastings locally.
It was 16.77 tax 1.38 total 18.15
They have several copies and have ordered more.
They even had it in the correct area (new arrivals NON FICTION).


21 posted on 08/15/2004 7:16:51 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Liberals are like catfish ( all mouth and no brains )(bottom feeders))
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To: Squantos
Squantos, I agree with you 110% but in these 'trial lawyer' days where the personal motto is, "If it feels good, do it" and where the political message is "Vote for John Edwards, he's a sexy SOB" or "Vote for John Kerry, he was a war hero, before he was a war protestor, before he again was a war hero", I don't think that Kerry will be removed from his current office by legal means. Think about it! The justice department is too afraid of indicting a crook who stuffed classified documents in his socks. Why would we expect the same DOJ to follow the law in John Kerry's case?

Again, I agree with you strongly but as the dude from the south would have said, "There's a whole lot of politics goin on out dere"....................................

22 posted on 08/15/2004 7:18:51 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: counterpunch

"Vietnam was a long time ago. Why does it matter today? Since the days of the Roman Empire, the concept of military loyalty up and down the chain of command has been indispensable. The commander's loyalty to the troops is the price a commander pays for the loyalty of the troops in return. How can a man be commander in chief who for over 30 years has accused his "Band of Brothers," as well as himself, of being war criminals? On a practical basis, John Kerry's breach of loyalty is a prescription of disaster for our armed forces. "

No matter how you look at it, Kerry is UNFIT to be Commander in Chief, and President.,


23 posted on 08/15/2004 7:20:16 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: nicmarlo
It took awhile, but thanks to people like John O'Neill, the Universal Truth Police have taken the lying rat into custody.


24 posted on 08/15/2004 7:22:07 PM PDT by red flanker
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To: nicmarlo

Thanks for giving Backhoe and I a ping, nicmarlo!!!!:-)

Thanks for posting your Article!!!!:-)

Best FReegards,

D2

P.S. Nicmarlo, here's some links you might want:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1191742/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182225/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1188887/posts

Best FReegards, nicmarlo,

Defender2


25 posted on 08/15/2004 7:24:24 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: red flanker

Kerry went overboard tooting his own horn about his war record....his hubris has caused his own undoing: his excessive toots, which have been found out as mere FABRICATIONS, are going to sink him.


26 posted on 08/15/2004 7:25:13 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

One more link you might want to keep:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1187018/posts

Best FReegards,

D2


27 posted on 08/15/2004 7:27:10 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Defender2

yw, and thanks for your posts.


28 posted on 08/15/2004 7:27:13 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Four previous threads: unfit office
29 posted on 08/15/2004 7:28:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: nicmarlo

Your Always More Than Welcome, nicmarlo!!!!:-)

Very Best FReegards, Always,

D2


30 posted on 08/15/2004 7:29:12 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

now, why when I did a search (twice), did none of those come up?


31 posted on 08/15/2004 7:30:09 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Thanks for the ping!


32 posted on 08/15/2004 7:32:41 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Petronski
From the article:Neither I, nor any man I served with, ever committed any atrocity or war crime in Vietnam.

Same here (see tag line).

33 posted on 08/15/2004 7:36:37 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, XO USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: Petronski
Given recent events, it would be nice to see the WSJ republish this, or allow O'Neill to 'revise and extend.'

Agree. These remarks bear reprinting.

34 posted on 08/15/2004 7:38:12 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, XO USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: OKSooner
Buy the book, and send money to these guys: www.swiftvets.com

Done, two times over.

35 posted on 08/15/2004 7:39:10 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, XO USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: nicmarlo
Kerry slandered America's military by inventing or repeating grossly exaggerated claims of atrocities and war crimes in order to advance his own political career as an antiwar activist.

It's funny when Kerry is confronted with accounts like these -- which are a direct consequence of his constant touting of his military heroism -- HE'S THE ONE who acts as if he's being slandered.

One must truly be capable of Orwellian double-think in order to be a Leftist.
36 posted on 08/15/2004 7:40:20 PM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: CedarDave

Thank you for your service.


37 posted on 08/15/2004 7:40:48 PM PDT by Petronski (I am become death, destroyer of worlds.)
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To: nicmarlo
Support the Swifties!

Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

38 posted on 08/15/2004 7:41:29 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: tame

yw


39 posted on 08/15/2004 7:41:57 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: walford
One must truly be capable of Orwellian double-think in order to be a Leftist.

And absolutely devoid of ethics, morals, and ability to tell the truth.

40 posted on 08/15/2004 7:42:43 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
I got the book from Hastings locally.

Thanks for the heads up. That's cheaper than Amazon, and there's a Hastings just five minutes from my house. I'm off to Hastings right now.

41 posted on 08/15/2004 7:42:48 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: elhombrelibre
Bob Kerrey
42 posted on 08/15/2004 7:47:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Petronski
Thank you. I appreciate that. I know that the Swift Boat vets would have let Kerry's actions pass given the number of years that have gone by. However, when Kerry made those four months the centerpiece of his campaign, they could not ignore and had to respond to his mis-characterizations and outright fabrications, and his actions when he returned. These aren't vindictive people, but with his own actions falsly recreating that time 35 years ago, Kerry has brought the grief he is receiving on himself and he has only himself to blame.
43 posted on 08/15/2004 7:48:08 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, XO USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: Chieftain
Besides being a lying POS.........

I double despise Kerry for reopening decades old wounds of so many of us.

The polls that only show 50-some percent of Vietnam Vets against him I KNOW ARE LIES! I don't know even one real VN Vet who supports him.

Nam Vet

44 posted on 08/15/2004 7:48:43 PM PDT by Nam Vet (Arab nutball bumper sticker ..... "My other wife is a goat")
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To: nicmarlo
How to Search
45 posted on 08/15/2004 7:49:25 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: counterpunch

Unfit for office... There are so many of democrat candidates who are unfit for office that I'm not certain which one you mean ...


46 posted on 08/15/2004 7:50:34 PM PDT by Libertina (Kerry: Unreliable in Vietnam, unfit for the White House.)
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To: CedarDave
Hey Dave! Cat Lo/Vung Tau and An Thoi Oct '67- Oct 68. Swift Boat and USCG support/repair and back-up boat engineer Coastal Division 11. How are ya Bro? Good to see ya!

Nam Vet

47 posted on 08/15/2004 7:53:02 PM PDT by Nam Vet (Arab nutball bumper sticker ..... "My other wife is a goat")
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To: nicmarlo; All

http://www.nationalreview.com/rose/rose200404211228.asp

April 21, 2004, 12:28 p.m.
The Un-Kerry
Meet John O’Neill, the Vietnam vet who once debated John Kerry on The Dick Cavett Show.
By Alexander Rose
EDITOR'S NOTE: This article appears in the May 3, 2004, issue of National Review.


This is an EXCELLENT write-up on John O'Neill.


48 posted on 08/15/2004 7:54:45 PM PDT by bitt (Release all the records; sign the 180, john kerry.)
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To: Nam Vet
Hey Nam Vet, welcome home! Thank you for your HONORABLE service to our nation.

Some on this forum and most in todays society do not understand how personal this is with vets of my generation. Republican, democrat or independent, we all share a loathing for John Kerry. We will continue to do so, even after he is long gone, and we will carry this to our graves.

You hit the nail on the head. I was at a FReep of John Edwards arrival in Jacksonville, Fl, this past Monday and I was holding my anti-Kerry Vietnam signs and wearing my "Stop Hanoi John Kerry 2004" . One of the Bush supporters (there were about 65 of us), a lady in her 30's, stated "I don't have a problem with what Kerry did to protest the war. This is America and it's free speech. I don't want him raising my insurance costs and making my business go bankrupt because of trial lawyers and regulation." I about lost it! I emotionally explained to her what Kerry's words and actions did to a whole generation of GI's. About how many lived in shame for many years and some are still living that way. I explained to her how Kerry's using Vietnam as his main qualification is like re-opening those wounds and pouring salt right in there. She could see the look in my eyes. Although she didn't say much after that, I am quite sure she got it.

There was also an young (late 20's) active duty sailor there at the FReep. He said he knows all about Kerry and his betrayal of Vietnam Veterans. He learned it from his dad, whom he said hates Kerry with a passion. I suspect his dad is a lot like me, and I am glad to know that he has taught his children about him. I think Kerry did us all a favor by portraying himself a war hero. It is motivating our whole generation to make our voices heard, when it really counts!

I was on Bill Bennett's radio show, "Morning in America" about a week ago. I called when they were talking about the Swift boat Veterans for Truth as I was listening while driving to work. I told Bennett in no uncertain terms that our fight with Kerry is NOT a political issue as much as it is a disrespect of all Vietnam and Vietnam era veterans, and that if they think the media and lawyers and talking heads think they are gonna muzzle us, they got another thing comin'! I told him that there is an entire generation of American veterans, that have had this wound festering in us for the past 33 years, and sKerry had the audacity to re-open those wounds and pour poison in them with his attempt to portray himself as a genuine war hero after he dishonored all of us with his treasonous lies 33 years ago! I told him we would NOT be muzzled and we will use this forum of Kerry's campaign to repudiate this traitor and expunge the Hanoi Kerry poison from our lives once and for all! I said when Kerry did that to us we were kids then and didn't have a forum and had to live under the curse of his words,
BUT WE AIN'T KIDS NO MORE, AND WE AIN'T GONNA BE MUZZLED!

I was white hot and Bill Bennett knew it!

Bennett did say that it was a political issue because John Kerry chose to make it one, by making it the center piece of his presidential campaign. I told him that we aren't gonna back off regardless of what the Bush campaign, or anyone else may say.

I had a couple guys call me right after and they were ALL SMILES! They said 'Hey man, you lit the radio on FIRE! Any vet who heard that is ready to go stomp a hole in Kerry right now!

49 posted on 08/15/2004 7:55:12 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: nicmarlo; Ragtime Cowgirl; Radix; HiJinx; Spiff; JackelopeBreeder; Da Jerdge; MJY1288; xzins; ...

A swift boat ping - Kerry not fit to carry the mantle of leadership!


50 posted on 08/15/2004 7:55:12 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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