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Mikey Moore for Supper, or, Some Cannibals Ainít All That Bad...
Me | 15 AUG 04 | Long Cut

Posted on 08/15/2004 7:36:23 PM PDT by Long Cut

Because of the recent popularity and notoriety of Michael Moore’s latest flight into propaganda, Fahrenheit 911, a movie I watched this weekend packed an extra punch, on top of its many other visceral attacks on the senses. It’s not often that a European makes a movie which destroys (both literally AND figuratively) liberal documentarians, but that is exactly what the 1979 Italian movie Cannibal Holocaust does, in spades.

Made for $100,000.00 in the late ‘70s by director Ruggero Deodato, CH is certainly not for everyone. Most FReepers should, in fact, take a pass. The film is reputed to be the most violent ever made, featuring graphic gore, nudity (full frontal, male and female), sexual situations (although no hardcore as such, and NEVER in a pleasant manner), and some scenes which are frankly indefensible. It begins with the search for four young documentary filmmakers who have vanished into the Amazon Jungles where they went to find and film tribes of possible stone-age cannibals. An anthropology professor, Dr. Monroe, is dispatched to find out what happened to them. After a harrowing trek through dangerous jungles, and a terrifying encounter with a native tribe, he finds the remains of the young filmmakers...and their film canisters. (The similarity at this point to the much later, and more famous copycat Blair Witch Project is apparent).

Professor Monroe brings the films back to New York, where a TV station is considering making them into a sensationalistic broadcast to be hosted by himself. The studio heads, particularly a Katie-Couric style woman, strongly push him to make the show. However, he refuses until he can view the footage himself. It is here that we find out what happened to the three young men and one woman who vanished. It seems that, to make a more “sensationalistic” movie, the filmmakers “set up” sequences to get better scenes of carnage, even to the point of shooting food animals of the natives and burning their village, killing some in the process. They also rape and murder a native girl, impaling her on a pole in the movie’s most searing image. Their behavior so evil and immoral, the natives attack, and the last twenty minutes of the film footage shows their grisly fates at the hands of their victims.

The movie is relentless in its portrayal of violence...nothing is hidden or suggested; all, including the cannibals having “lunch” are shown fully. In its most offensive parts, however, the film shows animals being killed...for real. The filmmakers are shown not only killing the natives’ food animals, but a giant turtle, a snake, and a spider...all for real. Note, this is indefensible on any level, and thus, once again, I caution FReepers about viewing it. I myself had to use the “skip” button on the DVD player for these parts. The film also pulls NO punches in its depiction of the rape of the native girl by the filmmakers, or other violent sexual acts. It pummels the viewer with these images, constantly driving home its central question of just whom the real savages are. The movie ends with Professor Monroe convincing studio executives not to show the film, over the objections of the Katie. He walks from the building a troubled man. At the end, the viewer is compelled to let out a huge sigh of relief and exhaustion. Those with weaker stomachs will let out much more.

Such was the reality of many films made back then. Those claiming that “it’s never been worse” in regards to modern movie sex and violence have no idea how much better it is now.

So, how does all this carnage relate to Mr. Moore’s current notoriety? Well, the filmmakers in the film could be his clones. They stage sequences and abuse subjects with NO regard for truth or human dignity, seeking only fame and fortune. At one point, when one of their number is killed and eaten by natives, the director, Allan, is heard to say, “We’ll get an Oscar for sure!”, as he films his comrade’s torturous demise, little realizing that his own is close at hand. One recalls, at this point, Moore‘s use in F911 of a young Marine to embarrass Congressmen. The young man is now facing charges and a court-martial, with Moore nowhere to be found.

The filmmakers, Allan, Jack, Mark, and Faye, are all darlings of the Liberal media in New York, who love their “daring” and “edgy” documentaries of war zones and the like, even though the big shots know that the films aren’t entirely real or truthful...just like someone else we know.

The filmmakers’ relatives and friends seem to distrust and even dislike them intensely. Moore has some former colleagues out there that similarly distrust him.

The filmmakers destroy the lives of hundreds of innocent natives in their quest for fame and money, abusing them brutally for nothing more on some occasions than fun. Despite their outwardly liberal pronouncements, they regard and treat their subjects as nothing more than animals. How is this different from Moore’s attacks on his own country’s Soldiers and war effort?

It goes on and on. If it were made today, Cannibal Holocaust would be seen as a direct attack upon Moore, as sure as I write this. It would be, as it was when released, pilloried by liberal critics. Not that it wasn’t, anyway, and for some legitimate reasons, but the criticism would be howlingly loud now, as opposed to the quiet disgust the left showed then. In point of fact, the film was never released to American theaters when it was made, as its subject matter was so controversial, it was banned in many countries. It received no US rating, but was given a self-imposed “X” by its director, who also faced criminal charges in Italy for murder (he was acquitted by bringing the actors he supposedly “killed” to court) and animal cruelty. He was unable to work for three years after CH was released. One wonders why he did it in the first place.

Conveniently, on the DVD I saw, an interview is provided with Mr. Deodato, now in his 70’s but still healthy and sharp. At the time, he explains, Italian television was filled with graphic and violent images of terrorist attacks by the Italian Red Brigades and other terrorist groups. Aldo Moro had just been assassinated, his bullet-ridden corpse shown in full color on the news. Deodato, appalled by not only the violence, but by the media’s seeming addiction to showing it real-time for nothing more than ratings and money, was also distressed to explain it to his then-young son as it appeared onscreen in their home. He was also aware of the tactics used by documentary filmmakers of the time who earned gobs of money exploiting the suffering of people around the world in war zones. Since his next directorial project was a “jungle cannibal” thriller of the kind so popular in Italy at the time, he decided to use this one to actually SAY something. He succeeded, if the subsequent controversy and results are any guide. He remains proud of his film, which, he claims, has made $200,000,000.00 worldwide, and is the second highest grossing movie in Japan, after E.T.

The remastered film was released to selected theaters in the US for the first time last year, by Grindhouse Releasing. It played to sold-out crowds, and a new, better, DVD release is in the works. One hopes that those who viewed it in those venues thought of it when (if) they saw Michael Moore’s propaganda. Some things, it seems, do not change. Deodato is rumored to be working on a sequel; one hopes he has seen Moore in action. The cannibals deserve a good, fat meal like that, methinks.


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Seeing this film was an experience in endurance. However, in the current climate, I was struck by the parallels to Michael Moore.

The movie Cannibal Holocaust's website may be acessed by clicking here. Reviews are widely available online, both pro and con. I only ask that NO images be posted here from it.

Discussion?

1 posted on 08/15/2004 7:36:24 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: TheBigB; RandallFlagg; rdb3; Jet Jaguar; JusticeTalion; Fedora; mewzilla; Godzilla; ...

A ping to the STOMP list! This film wasn't so fun, however. it wasn't meant to be.


2 posted on 08/15/2004 7:37:52 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: thumperusn; cjk; Poohbah; hchutch; Travis McGee; Pukin Dog; Jet Jaguar; Old Sarge; GATOR NAVY; ...
PING!!!

My own little attack on Moore. Break out the ketchup and send him to the Amazon!!!

3 posted on 08/15/2004 7:40:40 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut
My own little attack on Moore. Break out the ketchup and send him to the Amazon!!!

What did the cannibals ever do to you to wish them an early death from clogged arteries? If you're going to send Moore over there, at least send them some Lipitor to wash him down with.

4 posted on 08/15/2004 7:43:50 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: Long Cut

Ummm...I think I'll stick with my DVD of THE PRINCESS DIARIES. Thanks anyhoo. :)


5 posted on 08/15/2004 7:45:23 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: TheBigB

Whatever works! I was in a particularly mad mood this weekend. Got chewed out by the Chief last week. I figured I needed a catharsis. It helped to unleash it on Moore, since the film placed him square in the crosshairs.


6 posted on 08/15/2004 7:49:10 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: asgardshill

It's a risk I'm willing to take. They looked pretty healthy in the movie. I'd guess they can handle a Mooreburger or two.


7 posted on 08/15/2004 7:50:37 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut

As you say, whatever works. I am not a big fan of excessive bloodletting, which is why I avoid things such as LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT, CH, I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE, and any Red Sox games. ;)


8 posted on 08/15/2004 7:51:32 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: TheBigB; All

If you haven't guessed, I see some WEIRD movies. I never claimed to be normal...


9 posted on 08/15/2004 7:51:55 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut

I never would have guessed. ;) Altho', your 'Zilla fandom gives you a pass on that, in my book.


10 posted on 08/15/2004 7:52:57 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: Long Cut

Indeed, the storyline is very close to the gestalt of every MM film mide since Roger and Me to F/911. Gross distortions committed for personal gain and aggrandisement. More is a feckless crapweasel as well as the slime that feeds on the fungus that putrifies at the bottom of a sludgeheap.


11 posted on 08/15/2004 7:54:50 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: TheBigB
What's interesting is, I can watch the standard horror movies no sweat...the bloodletting is all part of what you KNOW is a tongue-in-cheek WORK, which everyone's in on.

CH was different, as it wasn't some slasher or zombie flick. The "villains" were presented as people you'd see anywhere, young people in their early 20's, and the situations were all played straight. No humor, no comic relief at all. The "found footage" segments were even jerky and scratched, as if filmed with a 16mm hand-held camera. It added to the realism.

The makeup guy was a genius, too.

12 posted on 08/15/2004 7:56:36 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Army Air Corps

If Moore knows about CH, he sure doesn't want people to see it now. You can't help but think of him if you view it.


13 posted on 08/15/2004 7:58:15 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut

In that case you need to see Pink Flamingos

Probably tame compared to CH though


14 posted on 08/15/2004 7:58:40 PM PDT by blarneystone
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To: Long Cut
The "villains" were presented as people you'd see anywhere, young people in their early 20's, and the situations were all played straight.

One of the most insightful comments about horror in films was made by...well, I can't recall who. But he said that to truly horrify, there must be an element of the familiar (I supose to make the viewer more able to see himself/herself in the same position).

As an example, he said to imagine coming face to face with a bearded, red-eyed, fanged monster in your kitchen eating your dog alive.

Now imagine putting your Mom in place of the monster, doing the same thing.

Eeyuck.

15 posted on 08/15/2004 7:59:50 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: TheBigB
Hey, I like most obscure, B-grade movies. I first heard about CH and like pictures online, and it was spoken of so strongly by all who reviewed it that I HAD to take a look. Unfortunately, there was NO way Blockbuster or Movie Gallery was going to have a copy.

So, just recently here in Brunswick, a little privately-run DVD only rental place opens up...Bart & Greg's DVD Explosion. They stock everything you won't find at BB, plus everything you will. Foreign, US, it doesn't matter. They had CH (which they warned me about before renting), as well as lots of other interesting movies, not so strong. I'll be spending a dollar or two there.

16 posted on 08/15/2004 8:02:41 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: blarneystone

Saw it. Disgusting as hell, but not even in the same league. I'm serious, CH is in a class by itself.


17 posted on 08/15/2004 8:04:06 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: TheBigB
" Now imagine putting your Mom in place of the monster, doing the same thing..."

That IS a great description! Peter Jackson, of LOTR fame, thought so too. He had an almost identical scene in his early zombie movie, Dead Alive.

18 posted on 08/15/2004 8:06:03 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut
Well...maybe a new Faces of Death will be made starring our favorite liberals.....
19 posted on 08/15/2004 8:08:29 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: Army Air Corps
" Moore is a feckless crapweasel as well as the slime that feeds on the fungus that putrifies at the bottom of a sludgeheap..."

Aw, c'mon...tell us how you REALLY feel!

I'm sure the cannibals could plate him up, with some A-1 and some Emeril's Essence.

20 posted on 08/15/2004 8:08:32 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: ExSoldier
"Well...maybe a new Faces of Death will be made starring our favorite liberals....."

They were all faked. Pity.

21 posted on 08/15/2004 8:09:50 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut
You'll enjoy these sites...

http://www.shock-o-rama.com

http://www.revengeismydestiny.com

http://www.somethingweird.com

http://www.synapse-films.com

22 posted on 08/15/2004 8:10:44 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: Long Cut

Well I am at the age where I'me given up seeing the really whack movies. I have a much better time taking my kids to see Spiderman.

and sleep easier too;)


23 posted on 08/15/2004 8:12:08 PM PDT by blarneystone
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To: TheBigB
Thanks! I know three of them already. I'll check out the last one.

One of my favorites is MONDO DIGITAL. It has thousands of reviews, and hundreds of links to other sites. It's updated weekly.

24 posted on 08/15/2004 8:17:45 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: TheBigB

Try Renting ASWANG at Blockbuster. Very horrible and gave me chills for weeks... I ended up buying the DVD uncut on ebay which was well worth it. Now I'm checking CH out thanks.....


25 posted on 08/15/2004 8:19:53 PM PDT by FreeManWhoCan
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To: Long Cut
www.mistymundae.com

Home of MY favorite b-movie vixen, Misty Mundae!

26 posted on 08/15/2004 8:20:00 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: blarneystone
Good on ya.

My wife won't allow me to watch any of "my" movies in the house anymore. She's moving up to join me here in Maine soon, so my forays into this particular jungle are over.

I usually get to watch this stuff when I go on deployment. You can get ANYTHING overseas.

27 posted on 08/15/2004 8:20:05 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: FreeManWhoCan

What's "ASWANG"?


28 posted on 08/15/2004 8:20:51 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: Long Cut

The first 5 minutes of the commercial dud "Ghost Ship" were pretty good. While the rest of the movie was complete crap, the way they managed to kill off the passengers and crew at the dance was unique and entertaining.


29 posted on 08/15/2004 8:21:29 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: asgardshill

Oh jeeze, I saw that one on my first date with this girl. That scene from the dance floor haunted me for weeks.


30 posted on 08/15/2004 8:23:40 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: TheBigB

She's a hottie, no doubt. The female lead in CH, Francesca Ciardi, is a good-looking woman herself (and pre-silicone as well), but even though she's seen naked a bunch of times, the situations prevent you from enjoying it, as does her character.


31 posted on 08/15/2004 8:24:14 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: TheBigB
You took a first date to a horror flick? Nooooooo! You always take them to a chick flick or something Disney on the first date. Then, when you've gained their confidence, you can reap the "benefits" of scaring the crap out of them :)
32 posted on 08/15/2004 8:26:34 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: FreeManWhoCan

Okay, I looked it up. Noooo thanks. :)


33 posted on 08/15/2004 8:26:55 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: TheBigB
"What's ASWANG?"

Click here. Be forewarned, though.

34 posted on 08/15/2004 8:27:09 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: asgardshill

Hey, -she- picked it out! :^)


35 posted on 08/15/2004 8:27:38 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: TheBigB
That scene from the dance floor haunted me for weeks.

I couldn't decide whether I was scared or disgusted. Let's just say the decision went down to the wire.

36 posted on 08/15/2004 8:28:07 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: TheBigB
OK then. If that's the case, she deserved what she got ;)

(I really did enjoy that movie, and I'm not a big horror fan except for the old 60s-era Hammer films).

37 posted on 08/15/2004 8:29:43 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: asgardshill
Let's just say the decision went down to the wire.

*slapslapslapslap*

Don't you ever...make...another...joke...that...bad...ever. Ever. Now go to bed without supper.

38 posted on 08/15/2004 8:30:33 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: asgardshill

It depends on the chick. If she's a nice, corn-fed young lass from the heartland, you take her to a chick flick. If she's got white skin, a pierced nose, black hair, and is dressed in leather and spikes, a horror movie is perfect.


39 posted on 08/15/2004 8:31:17 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: TheBigB

I am properly chastized. That WAS pretty vile.


40 posted on 08/15/2004 8:31:40 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: Long Cut; Bella_Bru
If she's got white skin, a pierced nose, black hair, and is dressed in leather and spikes, a horror movie is perfect.

Izzat true, Bella? :^)

41 posted on 08/15/2004 8:32:02 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: Long Cut
she's got white skin, a pierced nose, black hair, and is dressed in leather and spikes

Yeah, but would you want YOUR sister to marry one?

42 posted on 08/15/2004 8:32:32 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: asgardshill
Nah. I didn't.

It was a pretty wild couple of dates, though!

43 posted on 08/15/2004 8:36:16 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut
Be forewarned, though.

Eeysh. I'm gonna have to go throw in a Disney flick to get those images out of my head.

What was the "twist ending", though?

44 posted on 08/15/2004 8:36:27 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: asgardshill

I'll tell ya, the thing about CH that was frightening was the jungle itself. It's actually almost a character in the film, closing in around the filmmakers towards the end, and around the professor in the beginning. It's depicted as as dangerous and unfriendly as you can imagine, with the characters appearing very much as you'd expect a person to look after a few days' deep in what the film calls "the green inferno". Filthy, muddy, with slithering reptiles and insects all over the place, and little suggestions that they are always being watched by someone. No well-coiffed and buffed-out actors and actresses here, in fine LL Bean gear, they are presented as tired, dirty, and becoming consumed slowly by it. We know, but they apparently due to their ignorant arrogance do not, that they are surrounded by forces which want them dead.


45 posted on 08/15/2004 8:43:36 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut

Substitute "woods" for "jungle" and you've got Blair Witch.


46 posted on 08/15/2004 8:45:27 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: Long Cut

I will get a copy of CH as soon as I can arrange it. Commercial movies that have shown the scenario you describe invariably do not come off as believable - the actor's makeup isn't even smeared in most cases, and they "act" scared but you never really believe they ARE scared.


47 posted on 08/15/2004 8:49:06 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: TheBigB

Blair Witch blew me away when I first saw it. No legs though, and they should have saved their money on the sequel and just thrown it down a rathole to start with.


48 posted on 08/15/2004 8:50:37 PM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: TheBigB
"Witch" was heavily influenced by CH. The whole "found footage" bit, the jerky, shaky camera work...it was all straight out of CH.

I'll tell you what though...I've flown over those same jungles in SA as in the movie. They are forbidding even from 10,000 feet. Green, split by muddy rivers for as far as you can see, with NO signs of human life whatsoever. You just KNOW that if the plane goes down in that stuff, you're not walking out even if you survive the crash.

In "Blair Witch", c'mon...it was a forest in Maryland. You walk to a stream and follow it. You can't be more than a few hours from a field, road, telephone line, etc...That jungle is way worse looking, with far meaner critters in it.

49 posted on 08/15/2004 8:53:43 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: asgardshill
As I understand it from the interview with the director, they filmed the movie up the Orinoco River about a day's canoe ride from any civilization. Due to the low budget, they camped there on-site, with no hotels, or hair stylists, or showers. The natives in the movie were local tribesmen in their normal clothing.

Needless to say, after a few days, the cast looked the part well. Watching it, you could almost smell them.

50 posted on 08/15/2004 8:57:32 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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