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Homosexuals are Excluding Themselves from Marriage, Family
CNSNews ^ | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 08/15/2004 10:57:24 PM PDT by scripter

Homosexuals and lesbians charge that laws seeking to ban same-sex "marriage" and adoption are discriminatory, but they are themselves responsible for their exclusion from marriage and family, according to an Australian medical ethics campaigner.

"By its very nature, homosexuality has excluded itself," Dr. David van Gend told a national marriage forum in Canberra this week. "It has stepped outside the circle of life -- the timeless, endless natural circle of male and female, parent and offspring."

Lesbians and homosexuals could, however, "rejoin the circle of life," he said, pointing to "the growing number of ex-gays."

Van Gend, a physician in eastern Australia who also campaigns against euthanasia and embryonic stem cell research, was addressing a forum at the federal parliament complex, organized by pro-family groups.

At the same event, Prime Minister John Howard challenged his political opponents to support swift passage of a bill banning same-sex marriage, to prevent it from getting bogged down in a forthcoming election campaign. The main opposition party has agreed, strengthening the chances of a ban being passed within the next fortnight.

Howard, who described marriage as "a fundamental, bedrock institution of our society which has contributed massively to our stability," received standing ovations.

He denied that the ban was discriminatory, arguing that there was a difference between tolerance and endorsement.

Campaigners for same-sex marriage rights in Australia have sought to characterize their community as a persecuted minority, using expressions like "apartheid" and recalling discrimination against the indigenous Aborigines.

At a rally in Sydney last week, leading homosexual activist Rodney Croome tried to draw a parallel between government policies relating to Aborigines, and later to illegal refugees, to homosexuals today.

"Pink is the new black," he declared.

Croome has also described organizations like the Australian Family Association, which organized the marriage forum, as "hate groups."

In his presentation to the gathering, van Gend tackled the "discrimination" claim.

"The political success of gay activism has been due to portraying gays as a persecuted quasi-racial minority group -- like blacks or Jews -- and thereby touching a sensitive spot in a guilty Western conscience," he said.

"Yet the racial analogy is false, since blacks cannot stop being black, but gays can stop being gay."

Challenging the view that "gays are born that way," van Gend cited the American Psychiatric Association's assessment that "there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."

"The origins of homosexuality are likely to be a very complex interaction of nature and nurture, genetic vulnerabilities and cultural influences," he argued. "But whatever its origins, the outcome of homosexuality is best understood as a very complex state of confusion over sexual identity."

Van Gend pointed to studies indicating that while this confusion was experienced by a proportion of teenagers, that proportion diminished as years passed.

"he National Health and Social Life survey across the USA in 1994, the biggest and best study available, found that eight percent of 16-year-olds thought they were gay - but, significantly, that by age 18 only four percent still thought they were gay, and by age 25, only two percent still thought they were gay.

"What that means is that most sexual confusion in school children clears away if left to itself. It doesn't need therapy or counseling. It is a passing phase ..."

Because of this, he said, it was important that students' sexual confusion was not entrenched by "gay-affirming curricula" or "gay pride" clubs at schools.

Van Gend said that for the sake of homosexuals wanting to change, "the clinical truth must be made known - that it is possible, given determination, patience, and skilled help, for them to leave behind their unwanted same-sex attraction."

Then they, too, would be able to "become biologically marriageable, and reclaim their rightful place in the great circle of life as male and female -- married, with children of their own."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: exgay; formergay; formerhomosexual; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; lesbian; samesexmarriage
Key points:
"By its very nature, homosexuality has excluded itself," Dr. David van Gend

Lesbians and homosexuals could, however, "rejoin the circle of life," he said, pointing to "the growing number of ex-gays."

"Yet the racial analogy is false, since blacks cannot stop being black, but gays can stop being gay."

"there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."

"But whatever its origins, the outcome of homosexuality is best understood as a very complex state of confusion over sexual identity."

"What that means is that most sexual confusion in school children clears away if left to itself. It doesn't need therapy or counseling. It is a passing phase ..."

Because of this, he said, it was important that students' sexual confusion was not entrenched by "gay-affirming curricula" or "gay pride" clubs at schools.

Van Gend said that for the sake of homosexuals wanting to change, "the clinical truth must be made known - that it is possible, given determination, patience, and skilled help, for them to leave behind their unwanted same-sex attraction."


1 posted on 08/15/2004 10:57:24 PM PDT by scripter
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; little jeremiah; EdReform

Ping


2 posted on 08/15/2004 10:57:47 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Lesbians are homosexuals - next Teresa will be an African lesbian homosexual American.
DKK


3 posted on 08/15/2004 11:01:08 PM PDT by LifeTrek
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To: LifeTrek

And then like thousands of others have, Teresa can leave the homosexual lifestyle!


4 posted on 08/15/2004 11:04:57 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Welcome to the Brave, New, Homo World...all gay all the time.


5 posted on 08/15/2004 11:06:27 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: ApesForEvolution

It sure seems that way! I can't help but point out the growing number of ex-homosexuals - I believe that is key to changing the minds of the fence sitters.


6 posted on 08/15/2004 11:09:39 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Patrick Goodenough?? Is that a real name? Or is it a faux name poking fun at Al Franken. "Darn it, I'm good enough"


7 posted on 08/15/2004 11:10:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Viking Kitties have won the GOLD MEDAL in the 2,000 meter ZOTTING)
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To: scripter

It's not about orientation, it's about perversion. So let'em do whatever animal acts they want, but in their home. There's a reason a majority of Americans prefer homos to not defile marriage (and stay in the closet).


8 posted on 08/15/2004 11:12:54 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: GeronL

I had the same thought - yet there are quite a few folks with that name...


9 posted on 08/15/2004 11:17:14 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
"Yet the racial analogy is false, since blacks cannot stop being black, but gays can stop being gay."

But...but... the homosexual sodomites say blacks are just like them. They're the same thing.
That means the homosexuals are using the plight of the blacks for their own selfish gains, correct?
Oh well. They both vote democrat, so I guess it's ok. Blacks don't seem to mind being considered homosexual - types, otherwise, they'd say so.

10 posted on 08/15/2004 11:17:37 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: ApesForEvolution

In their home, away from kids, away from kid shows, away from schools, etc.


11 posted on 08/15/2004 11:17:55 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Finally my good friend, Common Sense, has join the homosexual debate.


12 posted on 08/15/2004 11:21:03 PM PDT by Mike1973
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To: scripter
I, for one, am in favor of letting and child produced by a homosexual relationship remain with the homosexual parents...
13 posted on 08/15/2004 11:22:36 PM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: scripter
"the growing number of ex-gays."

And after all that work they've put in to indoctrinating other peoples children to increase their numbers , too.
Homosexuality is soooo '90's. The homosexual fad is soooo yesterday.

14 posted on 08/15/2004 11:28:33 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: concerned about politics
The subject of McGreevy came up on another message board I frequent, and the discussion eventually turned to the gay marriage debate. Someone else on the board talked about how the word "gay" has been ruined, and now the word "marriage" is in danger of becoming ruined. This person was almost immediately called a racist and a homophobe.

A racist? HUH?

Another example of the intolerance of the left.

15 posted on 08/15/2004 11:37:37 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: Mike1973

He does hit the key point well. That is, homosexuals can leave the lifestyle and we don't need homosexuality (behaviour) encouraged in our children.


16 posted on 08/15/2004 11:37:58 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Well actually, I was pointing out that there is nothing stopping homosexuals from getting married. They simply have to marry someone of the opposite sex. I just hate that they whine and complain about not being able to get married and it is a non-issue.


17 posted on 08/15/2004 11:40:14 PM PDT by Mike1973
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To: babygene

But, but, but homosexuals can't reproduce in homosexual relationships...


18 posted on 08/15/2004 11:42:19 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: concerned about politics; mhking
Blacks don't seem to mind being considered homosexual - types, otherwise, they'd say so.

They do -- we've got some very conservative blacks here on this forum -- like Mh King and we've got them in the administration -- like Dr. Rice or General Powell
19 posted on 08/15/2004 11:43:21 PM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Mike1973

Indeed there is nothing stopping homosexuals from marrying... somebody from the opposite sex. And as I keep pointing out what the author drove home quite well, homosexuals can leave the lifestyle. Stressing this fact is one of the key reasons why I've been involved with this topic for years.


20 posted on 08/15/2004 11:46:05 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Cronos
They do -- we've got some very conservative blacks here on this forum -- like Mh King and we've got them in the administration -- like Dr. Rice or General Powell

I was playing the devils advocate. I was inciting democrat dissent. Play along, will you?

Like I said. Homosexual sodomites say Blacks are just like them (repeat after me).

21 posted on 08/15/2004 11:50:55 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Cronos; concerned about politics
There are indeed blacks saying otherwise: otherwise

Black & right: Black Americans almost uniformly opposed to homosexual marriage

Blacks deny link in gay, civil rights

22 posted on 08/15/2004 11:51:42 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: concerned about politics
I was playing the devils advocate.

Now you tell us. :-)

23 posted on 08/15/2004 11:52:26 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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24 posted on 08/16/2004 5:24:01 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (God doesn't call the qualified - He qualifies the called.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
Another example of the intolerance of the left.

It's a standard rule that the moment we're called a "nazi", "homophobe", "hater", or "racist", the argument is automatically given to us in victory.

Simply put, our opposition has NO LOGICAL ARGUMENT for supporting sodomite marriage or unions, so they resort to hit n' run name-calling.

In truth, those who enable homosexuals by supporting and encouraging their behavior are the ones doing more damage to their cause than anyone else. The enablers are the true "haters".

25 posted on 08/16/2004 5:28:57 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (God doesn't call the qualified - He qualifies the called.)
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To: scripter

"But, but, but homosexuals can't reproduce in homosexual relationships..."

Bingo


26 posted on 08/16/2004 5:39:33 AM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: concerned about politics

Actually there have been quite a few articles on FR lately about black support of real marriage, especially in the Christian community. The "sodomy=being born black" is not going over that well with a number of black people.

I would be grossly insulted if my race - which is neutral, benign, and unchangeable, and has NOTHING to do with behavior, were compared as equal to voluntarily engaged in perverted sex acts.


27 posted on 08/16/2004 6:47:20 AM PDT by little jeremiah (I am a proud pervertophile-phobe.)
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To: scripter

Good to "see" you - got everything saved on the old computer, now I just have to get it fixed/replaced, the next hurdle...

Funny how FR gets along just fine without me.
;-)


28 posted on 08/16/2004 7:02:40 AM PDT by little jeremiah (I am a proud pervertophile-phobe.)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

"By its very nature, homosexuality has excluded itself," Dr. David van Gend told a national marriage forum in Canberra this week. "It has stepped outside the circle of life -- the timeless, endless natural circle of male and female, parent and offspring."

The homosexual agenda wants us to be blind to how they behave in society as they work 24/7 to tear down our society. Those days are over.

I just hope the radical ones go totally insane before the election is over and make the front pages weekly if not daily with their whining and moaning about marriage. That could turn a lot of moderate voters away from the rat cause.


29 posted on 08/16/2004 7:45:08 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I'm a donor to the Swift Boat Vets fund. Have you donated? If not please do it now!)
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To: scripter

Bump.


30 posted on 08/17/2004 6:04:42 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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