Posted on 08/16/2004 8:59:50 AM PDT by bray
The Swifties have earned the right to be heard. Any columnist who complains that this is a smear campaign or denies the Vets, their First Amendment Right should be called on it. How ironic that the Press tries to say who has the Constitutional Right to speak?? That is the beauty of this country, everybody has the right to be heard and let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunately the First Amendment has been undermined by the now crumbling Mainstream Monopoly.
Anyone who has fought and bled for Americas Freedom has a special right to speak and be heard. I did not serve, so I am grateful for each and every man who gave me the right to speak. If everyone is able to express his own Truth, than the actual Truth will find a way to seek its light. Do I know if the Swifties are telling the Truth or Yaaawn is telling it in country? No, but they know which ones are lying. Let them actually debate it because it is critical that this truth comes out.
Yaaaaawn Tax & Kerry came back as an eye witness to atrocities committed by American Troops in Viet Nam. Many of us at that age believed him and believed that our Government was fighting an unjust war while torturing the innocents of Viet Nam. When Kerry spoke in front of the Congress and said he saw people dismembered, we assumed he was not lying. When he said and wrote he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, we knew that had to be true, but was it??
He has admitted that the Cambodia story was a lie. How in the world can you be 15,000 miles away from home on Christmas Eve and not know exactly where you were?? He was on the river a total of 4 months and one of those 120 days was Christmas Eve. In 1968 was there a bigger day of the year than Christmas Eve and you were a scared and lonely boy in a war and now you say your seared memory of was not sure where you were?? The breadth of this lie cannot be measured!!!
The bigger fraud the Swifties have exposed once again, is that we have lost an objective press that is searching for the Truth. In actuality polls have shown that 95% of the press is going to vote/campaign for Kerry. These are very active participants in the electoral process and are working to get their nominee elected. The Swifties have shown that they will censor anything critical of Kerry no matter how well researched or numbers of eyewitnesses to these charges.
Compare this group to the ridiculous charges made by Wilson, Moore or the AWOL & Abu Grab fabrications. Every one of these unfounded attacks were given unlimited air and print in hopes of helping Kerry. Every one of these charges of the Presidents lies have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be lies. None of these liars have subsequently been called out as liars themselves. Why, because the Stone-age Press has a dog in this hunt and need to get their power back. The complete irony is that when they show their obvious hand, like with the Swifties it just reaffirms their complete lack of credibility, which is in the end is their reason for existing.
The crumbling of the Mainstream Monopoly continues and after this election Humpty Dumbie will never be put together again, thankfully. The new press is getting the message out and is exactly where the Swifties are motoring. Their story is cruising down the Mekong Delta of ideas and truth and past the razor wire of PravdABDNC. They are being examined for their trustworthiness and so far they are untouched. They have proved that Kerry is capable of lying about entering Cambodia in the most egregious way. In a time of War, then and now; speaking the Truth is all that matters. This little Navy has torpedoed not only the Kerrys Lies, but a sinking Corrupted Monopoly to boot.
Pray for W and Our Troops
AMEN!
Thanks.
It's only 1st amendment rights for rats, otherwise they call it hate speech.
Their books are sold out. I believe they're on their 4th printing?
The book will become a collectors item. Who'd have thought a small group of honorable American citizens could have brought down an entire Roman type empire.
Here's some pertinent kerry history!!!!
Below is excerpted statements to Congress, 22 April, 1971 by Lt. John F. Kerry USNR(Inactive Reserve Status).
"Mr. KERRY. My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."
Furhter paired down to:
"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points..."(kerry and his VVAW negotiated in Paris with the then enemy.)
Stated by kerry to Our U.S. Congress which is in the Official Congressional Record, 22 April, 1971.
I'll let ALL of you think your own thoughts about this, however, I cannot for the life of me, picture kerry in any elected office, never mind being Commander in Chief!!!!
Why kerry was not indicted, tried and convicted for Treason and Sedition under the appropriate Articles, We will never know.
The Media SHAMELESSLY hides this TRUTH(In the Congressional Record, dated 22 April, 1971) from the Public!!!! They are equally Treasonous and Seditionous as kerry is!!!!This Blatant Example of the media shows that we no longer have a FREE and TRUTHFUL Press(Straight ALL the Way LEFT of Center)!!!!
kerry had his VVAW which led to the deaths of thousands or hundreds of thousands of deaths in Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia after he and his VVAW accomplished their mission in getting U.S. withdrawal in South Viet Nam. kerry and his VVAW forever tarnished the image of U.S. Viet Nam Vets!!!!
The Democratic Party is no longer the Democratic Party!!!! For them to select kerry and his two forunners Clinton and Gore show they have become the party of our enemies!!!!
We cannot ALLOW this to STAND!!!!
Defender2
Some More Interesting historical news about kerry:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091943/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1160580/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165078/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1181426/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1181954/posts
Some of kerry's friends listed below:
http://www.cpusa.org/
http://www.dsausa.org/
DSA's "Progressive Caucus" Links below:
http://bernie.house.gov/pc/
http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp
They are the Enemy Within!!!!
I have at least one or two interesting posts about said such subject matter, below:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1165983/posts
And see:
http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html
More: Communist Party Backs the RATS!!!! below:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1171176/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1172055/posts
More!!!! Socialists(DSA) backs kerry!!!! Below:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1179854/posts
More of the Enemy within!!!!
Even More!!!! Red China Backs kerry!!!! See Below:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1180437/posts
Avoid the Socialists/Communists backed johns(not capitolised on purpose) like the Plague!!!!
Flush the Socialists/Communists/Enemies Loving johns(Prince johns wanting to be King johns) down the john!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh!!!! And Two More:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1192105/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1191742/posts
D2
His family was close to the Kennedy's.
Keep putting pressure on your local papers....write every editor....we must keep them keen to the idea that many of us see right through them....
Oh, please.
The right to free speech DOES NOT INCLUDE the right to be published in a newspaper of your choice.
Since no newspaper threatens to jail the vets, there is no "rights" issue.
Is it bias? Sure. Is it against the interests of the populace? You betcha.
But it's not a violation of the vets' free speech rights.
John Kerry has done more to hurt the lives of Veterans than any other Senator in History. A Veteran Vote for Kerry is a Vet that has forgotten where he came from and what he fought for and what many of his brothers in arms have died for and are and will die for in Americas future wars. President Bush is the defender of Freedom.
Uh...the press had that objectivity when...?
Nicely stated, but as you have pointed out, the story doesn't really have much in the way of legs, I'm sorry to say. I would like the focus to be more on Kerry's activities after his return as well as his 20 years in Congress. The Bush ad this weekend showing Kerry missing most of the intelligence committee meetings was a home run.
Agree.
Our paper used to be an award winning local paper.
Then Gannet bought it out.
Sigh.
Make sure you order duplicate copies: One for the local library or to share with friends and families and one to keep for yourself! (Still have my grandmother's copy of "Uncle Tom's Cabin" signed in the front with her maiden name. She died in 1950 at the age of 80)....Know any other Literature that "Rocked the World")
Was thinking what is really remarkable is that there has been no "60 minute" type of promo, before it hit the top of the Amazon charts....Most of the TV appearances have been after....which says something for the (internet)"grassroots" that are spreading it's message.
Our job is to keep the Kerry military records front and center.
The Bush administration can handle the Senate history. That way, Kerry gets it from all directions. Why waste a good thing? Use them both.
Again, AMEN
BTTT
True. It's more like "squelching" of the Vets' stories.
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True. It may be wrong, but it's not illegal.
Well said, Izzy Dunne.
The 1st amendment states, "Congress shall make no law..."
A private property owner has the right to publish or not publish any story they see fit.
Freeper's worry me when they sound like Democrats invoking the right of free speech over a private property owner.
And that's fine, but don't expect a lot of media support, except on the talk show circuit and Fox. I believe that the areas I mentioned earlier will resonate with the undecideds rather than arguing about the validity of Kerry's medals, etc. Other than a possible backlash, though, you may be right.
My 'to do' list for today:
1. Buy 'Unfit for Command'
2. Send another check to the Swifties, along with a thank you note.
THX
BTTT
"The right to free speech DOES NOT INCLUDE the right to be published in a newspaper of your choice. Since no newspaper threatens to jail the vets, there is no "rights" issue."
I agree to a point, but there is an expectation of equal treatment that they should expect from a purportedly "free and unbiased" press. For the "mainstream" media to blatantly black them out, and restrict access to media outlets that the likes of Moore, Clarke, and Wilson dominated for weeks is just plain wrong. It isn't a matter of being published in a paper of your choice; it is a matter of being covered at ALL.
Nobody could compare the NG story and the SBVT story and claim that coverage was equivalent. Not with a straight face anyway.
Whether you like how they do it or not, Rush, Hannity, and more recently, FoxNews have given play to both sides of these issues and other, probably in line with their "we report, you decide" motto. The rest of the media appears to have a "we report what we decide is fit for you to hear/see" motto, which, though unstated, screams louder than any amount of advertising Fox could do.
Nice sentiment but we don't have the right to be heard, just the right to say what we want. If the media doesn't publish it, it's hardly a denial of free speech. Biased, yes.
Ahh, but the Internet is a wonderful thing. No longer do we have to stand on our soap boxes all day long. We can throw up our ideas and have people stumble across them 24 hours a day.
Pray for W and Our Viet Nam Vets
Not to worry. Most of us are fully aware of the difference between "rights" and what is merely "common decency."
I agree on this issue too:
"everybody has the right to be heard"
No they don't! The Constitution guarantees you the RIGHT TO SPEAK. It does not guarantee you the RIGHT TO BE HEARD.
If the Constitution guaranteed you the right to be HEARD, then you could not get up and walk out of a meeting or a music concert .. you would be forced to stay. And .. there would be only one TV station and one radio station and you would be required to listen to only those stations.
John O'Neill's decorated veterans have the RIGHT TO SPEAK. They are firsthand witnesses to the character of Kerry during the stress of war, and that makes it relevant to the election for President, during a time we are at war.
This is a free speech issue and the Kerry groups need to be called on it.
You and I are on the same side of the fence here - my point was ONLY that to call it an abridgement of 1st amendment rights is a mistake.
Whether you have an "expectation of equal treatment" or not is immaterial to what goes on. The Constitution does not gurantee us a "free and unbiased" press - it just says the government won't (must not) interfere with it.
I agree it's a sorry situation. Being free doesn't mean we get the best. It means we have a better CHANCE at getting the best. It's up to the people to require it. And, for the most part, they don't.
Bannister, is that you?
John Kerry wrote his Review for "Apocalypse Now" on Oct 14, 1979 in the Boston Herald.Here is the article in JPG format.
Thank you, thank you FreeRepublic.com !
In the BOTTOM JPG, check out the TOP RIGHT paragraph regarding Cambodia .....
"On more than one occasion, I, like Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now, took my patrol boat into Cambodia. In fact, I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."
There is the lie. He NEVER WAS in Cambodia. The Swiftboat book Unfit for Command addresses that issue. And Nixon, who had WON election in November 1968, did not take office until January, 1969.
John Kerry is a LIAR! I think mostly Bush haters would vote for Kerry. I say George Bush in a landslide win November 2nd !
John Kerry's "Apocalypse Now" fantasy in Cambodia.
Great scan of 1979 newpaper article.
Above published elsewhere:
John Kerry in Cambodia
["Apocalypse Now" Review]Google Search "John Kerry 1968 Cambodia"
John Kerry Apocalypse Now" on Oct 14, 1979 in the Boston Herald.
The Kerry Campaign has now admitted that this was a fabrication. This is far from a slip of the tongue this is a well thought out written attack on a President and country that not only impugned them, but the Ex-Government of South Vietnam. This soon became the basic prejudice of the history of the Vietnam War. The damage by this statement and further statements shamed an entire generation of men who gave their heroic service to their country and turned it to humiliation.
John Kerry came back from the war a decorated hero and soon parlayed that into the most decorated witness of war crime atrocities committed by the United States and South Vietnam. Nobody would question his truthfulness because he had chest full of medals and had no motivation to lie. Anybody who questioned him was quickly painted as a war criminal and a tool of the military. He was subsequently announced as the only moral person in an immoral war and this is exactly why this lie is so sickening.
We have now found and John Kerry has admitted that he was never in Cambodia on Christmas Eve or any other time. He never violated Cambodias sovereignty and neither did the South Vietnamese Army. Forget that President Nixon was not in office in 1968, but he never ordered any American Troops into Cambodia. President Nixon was telling the truth and John Kerry, decorated war hero was lying. President Nixon had to surrender to the North Vietnamese in shame and went to his grave a war criminal because of these lies. Richard Nixon we find four decades later, was telling the Truth.
His testimony and this story was the foundation of the Vietnam scar on Americas military. The stories of torturing prisoners and villagers became the visual of Viet Nam. The indiscriminate incursions into Cambodia and Laos was common knowledge. Because of these stories the soldiers came back from Nam to be spit upon by the American public. Now we find out these stories were all the fantasy of a young John Kerry who managed to keep his fabrications in the Americas consciousness. Vietnam became the rifle butt that hammered our military, over and over again. All of this was built off of the Cambodia lie and his false testimony to Congress.
John Kerry was still telling these lies as of last year when he showed off a hat he brought back from his Cambodia incursion. This he claimed was his lucky hat, given to him by a CIA agent?? What kind of dementia is this man suffering from? Did he actually believe any of his lies or did he enjoy being Mr Macho who steered his boat into another country during combat? Did he enjoy being Blood and Guts Kerry or was there something more sinister??
Because of this lie both Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon became the Pyrrhus of American politics. Both went to their graves as accused war criminals, violating the sovereignty of innocent countries. As we find out that they were the innocent victims of a smear campaign led by John Kerry. John Kerry painted himself as the only moral person in an immoral war. As we find out the military was indeed fighting this war morally and the only immoral person in this story was John Kerry. Because of this lie two Presidents were made war criminals and an entire generation of soldiers were spit on. What can John Kerry offer to repair his damage he has done to America?? The very least he can do is finally come clean, apologize for his atrocious lies and resign from the race!
Pray for W and Our Troops
Good post bump!The Kerry Campaign has now admitted that this was a fabrication.
I thought he 'changed' his lie to say it was in January 1969. Or did they finally fess up ??
The Media like the Democrats march in lockstep and to the same drummer! The so called "Mainstream Media" is nothing more than a puppet and a propaganda machine for the Democrats.
Pray for W and The Truth
bannister bray, you tricky devil, you... got your number!
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