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FBI says VVAW disclosed US Military plans (Kerry's Treason)
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Posted on 08/16/2004 11:10:50 AM PDT by BykrBayb

On www.wintersoldier.com's Timeline page, it says "April 22, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "Emergency March for Peace" in Bryant Park in New York City."

At that same time, according to the FBI surveillance file, Section 50, Part 1, Page 152. VVAW/WSO revealed information about a US Military operation. "...the VVAW/WSO operation during 4/72 during which a canvass of VVAW/WSO members, some in active military service, developed information indicating US would bomb Hanoi and Haiphong. This information was disseminated by VVAW/WSO prior to the actual bombing and could have seriously jeopardized US Military operations and lives of servicemen."


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Is it just me, or is this hugh? I'm not aware of anyone being charged with treason over this incident, but it sure looks like treason to me. I haven't yet seen any evidence that kerry himself turned the information over, but he was "a leader of VVAW" at the time. What were kerry's activities around that time? Was he in Paris? (I know he was in NYC in April 1972, but was he in Paris at all around that same time frame?) Get on it FReepers! What can you turn up?
1 posted on 08/16/2004 11:10:54 AM PDT by BykrBayb
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To: BykrBayb
It's hugh, for sure. But these guys do much more damage...

Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

2 posted on 08/16/2004 11:14:26 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: BykrBayb

Makes one wonder if McCain's being shot down was a result of this? maybe we should ask him what he thinks about THAT?


3 posted on 08/16/2004 11:16:12 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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To: BykrBayb

Send it to RUSH or Drudge and any other media you can think of........Get the word out!


4 posted on 08/16/2004 11:17:00 AM PDT by hoosiermama (19 five * meals for $200---"The sKerry-- Real Meal Deal")
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To: BykrBayb
I should have included this clipping in the original article.

I regret that I can't stay and follow this thread, as I have to take hubby to the doctor. I'll follow up when I get back.

5 posted on 08/16/2004 11:17:01 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Ping!


6 posted on 08/16/2004 11:20:31 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

Why was he not charged? Must be that rich thing getting in the way of justice.


7 posted on 08/16/2004 11:21:13 AM PDT by gunnygail (Kerry's allies? The awesome power of Belgium, the courage of Spain, and the moral clarity of France.)
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To: BykrBayb

bttt


8 posted on 08/16/2004 11:22:51 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (I approve this message: character and integrity matter. Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: gunnygail

Treason was o.k. during the Vietnam era, because everyone doing it was sincere in their disagreement with the war.


9 posted on 08/16/2004 11:27:18 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: BykrBayb

He resigned his leadership in Nov. of 1971.


10 posted on 08/16/2004 11:27:26 AM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry is a sports fan like Lorena Bobbitt is a surgeon)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

a major reason McCain has to slam the swiftvets is

because of his campaign reform BS. He's a jackass.


11 posted on 08/16/2004 11:28:45 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: doug from upland

Read the original article again, and see post #5. That was April 1972, according to www.wintersoldier.com.


12 posted on 08/16/2004 11:30:54 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
Read the original article again, and see post #5. That was April 1972, according to www.wintersoldier.com.

Indeed, and this is why I make the following statement: I wish the jpg image of the article had a date associated with it. It'd be pretty "hugh" if it could be proven that John Kerry was still with the VVAW organization after 1971!

Do you have the exact citation of the article in the picture, ie, the date of it?

Either way thanks, very interesting stuff here.

13 posted on 08/16/2004 11:36:14 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: BykrBayb

14 posted on 08/16/2004 11:40:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I'm a donor to the Swift Boat Vets fund. Have you donated? If not please do it now!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
McCain acknowledges giving ship locations to the Viet Namese captors in exchange for medical attention.

Seems he and Kerry are birds of a feather and are simply protecting each other.

15 posted on 08/16/2004 11:42:21 AM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: doug from upland
He resigned his leadership in Nov. of 1971

Ummm.... there was a picture posted on here several months ago from the Boston Globe with a caption stating he was still the head of VVAW, the picture being taken in 1973. He was watching Nixon on the news. We can't post the picture because the owner of the photo (Corbis, I believe) said we couldn't...but will go see if I can find the link.

16 posted on 08/16/2004 11:43:13 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: BykrBayb

Was the 4/72 operation the same event mentioned in that article? It isn't too specific where it went down.


17 posted on 08/16/2004 11:45:44 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks for the info. It is one more Kerry controversy. Kerry wanted everyone to believe, including Brinkley, that he resigned earlier in 1971. He didn't want anyone to know that he attended the "assassination vote" meeting in Kansas City in November. Did he take credit for still being the leader, or did the newspaper identify him as such? I knew that after his leadership resignation, he did make some more appearances.


18 posted on 08/16/2004 11:46:05 AM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry is a sports fan like Lorena Bobbitt is a surgeon)
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To: BykrBayb
This would have been the World Wide Alert during the Yom Kippur War that had us loading up the nukes, after there were satellite photos indicating that the USSR had nukes in Egypt.

This was the biggest alert since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

It was Big.

19 posted on 08/16/2004 11:50:51 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: BykrBayb

These days, it seems that very few treason cases get prosecuted. This speaks volumes about our society in general, and about our true level of resolve.


20 posted on 08/16/2004 11:52:27 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: BykrBayb; nutmeg; Dutchy; tet68; AnnaZ

bump for later


21 posted on 08/16/2004 11:54:56 AM PDT by RaceBannon (God Bless Ronald Reagan, and may America Bless God!)
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To: prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; Tamsey; mrs tiggywinkle; EllaMinnow; ...

FYO Ping


22 posted on 08/16/2004 12:02:30 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: BykrBayb
SOURCE

November 15, 1971 -- After trying unsuccessfully to have Al Hubbard removed from the group's leadership, John Kerry resigns from the Executive Committee of the VVAW for personal reasons. Kerry will continue to represent the organization in interviews and public appearances for several months.

December 26, 1971 -- Fifteen VVAW protesters take over the Statue of Liberty for some 40 hours and drape an upside-down American flag across the statue's face. Per the New York Post, the VVAW later receives a "congratulatory message" from Vietcong negotiator Le Mai in Paris.

December 27, 1971 -- Twenty-five VVAW protesters take over the Betsy Ross House in Philadelphia.

December 28, 1971 -- 150 VVAW protesters splash bags of blood in front of the White House, then take over the Lincoln Memorial. 87 are arrested. John Kerry tells the New York Times that he is helping raise bail money for some of the demonstrators.

January 11, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at Dartmouth College.

January 25, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "People's State of the Union" in Washington, D.C.

February, 1972 -- A VVAW delegation attends a World Assembly for Peace and Independence of the People of Indochina in Versailles, France.

April 22, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "Emergency March for Peace" in Bryant Park in New York City.

July 8 - 22, 1972 -- Jane Fonda visits Hanoi, where she makes numerous radio broadcasts to American and South Vietnamese military personnel encouraging mutiny and desertion, while repeatedly claiming that the United States is committing war crimes in Vietnam. Fonda also visits American prisoners, reporting on the air that they are being "well cared for" and that they wished to convey their "sense of disgust of the war and their shame for what they have been asked to do." Upon leaving North Vietnam, Fonda accepts from her hosts a ring made from the wreckage of a downed American plane.

July 29 - August 12, 1972 -- Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark travels to Hanoi on behalf of the communist Stockholm International Commission for Inquiry. Clark denounces the U.S. bombing of North Vietnam and visits American POWs, reporting that they are in good health and their conditions "could not be better."

September 18, 1972 -- John Kerry's brother Cameron and Vietnam veteran Thomas Vallely are arrested in Lowell, Massachusetts in the basement of a building that houses both Kerry's campaign headquarters and those of opposing candidate Tony DiFruscia. Cameron Kerry and Vallely are charged with breaking and entering with intent to commit larceny. Kerry will win the Democratic nomination for a Massachusetts congressional seat the next day, but lose in the general election to Republican Paul Cronin. Thomas Vallely will later become director of the Vietnam Program at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.

Late 1972 -- The U.S Congress votes to eliminate funding for military operations in Indochina.

January, 1973 -- The Nixon Administration signs the Treaty of Paris.

February and March, 1973 -- American prisoners of war are released by North Vietnam. They report having been starved, beaten and tortured by their captors, in an effort to make them sign documents in which they admitted to committing war crimes.

April, 1973 -- Jane Fonda calls the freed American prisoners "hypocrites and pawns," insisting that, "Tortured men do not march smartly off planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives. They are liars. I also want to say that these men are not heroes."

Fall, 1974 -- North Vietnam initiates minor probing attacks into South Vietnam, in violation of the Paris treaty. There is no military response by the United States.

Early 1975 -- North Vietnam launches a massive invasion of South Vietnam.

April 30, 1975 -- Saigon falls.

1975 - 1979 -- Communist regimes in southeast Asia murder an estimated two million Cambodians, as well as tens of thousands of South Vietnamese. One million South Vietnamese are imprisoned in "re-education camps," and hundreds of thousands die there. An additional two million flee the country, with many drowning in the attempt.

1978 -- The original VVAW splits when a minority breaks away to form Vietnam Veterans Against the War Anti-Imperialist (VVAWAI), with the larger faction retaining the original name. Both the VVAW and the rabidly anti-American VVAWAI remain in operation today.

1978 -- Former VVAW leader Robert Muller founds the Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA). The VVA also describes John Kerry as a "co-founder" of the organization. In the late 1980s, Mueller and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation (VVAF) will split from the VVA.

1981 -- Mueller leads a VVAF delegation to Hanoi, where he praises the communist leadership of Vietnam and lays a wreath on the grave of Ho Chi Minh.
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23 posted on 08/16/2004 12:03:22 PM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry is a sports fan like Lorena Bobbitt is a surgeon)
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To: BykrBayb; The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; ...

Here's some more ammo!

Head of Kerry's Vietnam Vets Against the War was Vietnam Vet phony

"...At the time, Kerry was serving as the point man for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War.


The president of the organization was Al Hubbard, who claimed to be an Air Force captain
who was severely injured during his service in Vietnam.


It turned out Hubbard was a sergeant who never served in Vietnam..."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39982


24 posted on 08/16/2004 12:03:41 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It's begining to look a lot like Christmas!)
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To: Mo1

Oh Geez .. not again

FYO Ping = FYI Ping


25 posted on 08/16/2004 12:03:52 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: Mo1

Oh My...


26 posted on 08/16/2004 12:04:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Proud member of the FR Special Ops manuremovers crew .. moving manure&opinion since '96)
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To: BykrBayb

Traitors must be put before a firing squad on national TV...


27 posted on 08/16/2004 12:05:16 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: ImaTexan

ping


28 posted on 08/16/2004 12:05:26 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: GOP_1900AD

It's BS and I for one am sick of it...


29 posted on 08/16/2004 12:06:03 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: BykrBayb; StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...
PING.......

30 posted on 08/16/2004 12:06:03 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: doug from upland

My loathing of these people requires medication.

But, I'll drink to "Absent Friends", instead...


31 posted on 08/16/2004 12:06:10 PM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: doug from upland
The original source is here.
32 posted on 08/16/2004 12:07:44 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: NormsRevenge

It's been a rough day with the typo's :0(


33 posted on 08/16/2004 12:08:51 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the original.


34 posted on 08/16/2004 12:09:37 PM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry is a sports fan like Lorena Bobbitt is a surgeon)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
The president of the organization was Al Hubbard, who claimed to be an Air Force captain who was severely injured during his service in Vietnam.

Hubbard lied. Kerry lied. Fonda lied. Servicemen died.

35 posted on 08/16/2004 12:10:20 PM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

HOLY MOLY! Pass the Ammo!


36 posted on 08/16/2004 12:11:08 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: BykrBayb

I am presently reading the FBI files and there is more to come than this. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Right now what the Kerry campaign is hearing is the first scraps of the hull of the S.S.Kerrytannic on the iceberg below.

The Vietnam stuff was a smoke screen that Kerry and the Taxocrats hoped they could pull off before anyone deleved in to the FBI files .


37 posted on 08/16/2004 12:11:39 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated! "Kerry wasn't in Cambodia before he was in Cambodia.")
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To: Grampa Dave

Bump


38 posted on 08/16/2004 12:12:17 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: BykrBayb

Kerry met with North Vietnamese officials in Paris when on his honeymoon in the spring of 1970.

[Excerpt] On July 22, 1971, Kerry called a press conference in Washington, D.C. speaking on behalf of the VVAW, kerry openly urged President Nixon the acccept Madame Binh's seven-point plan. [End Excerpt] Unfit for Command - pg 127

________________

Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve, "inactive" July 1, 1972


39 posted on 08/16/2004 12:12:40 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BykrBayb

Unfortunaltely this is dead already, the media will not pick it up, seeing as though they have had all this time to report it. The simple dim response will be, it was an illegal(or some other word) dirty nixonian tactic from way back when and bears no weight on todays issue.


40 posted on 08/16/2004 12:16:47 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: happygrl
This would have been the World Wide Alert during the Yom Kippur War that had us loading up the nukes, after there were satellite photos indicating that the USSR had nukes in Egypt.
This was the biggest alert since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
It was Big.

I remember it well. My husband was in the Army Reserves at the time - they activated his unit and he went tearing off to Old Camp Kilmer NJ in the middle of the night. There they were set to work repainting all their olive drab vehicles in desert sand . . . it came to nothing, but it got pretty exciting there for awhile.

41 posted on 08/16/2004 12:21:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Puleez, let's be smart on these things. Everyone was talking about bombing Hanoi/Haiphong for years. The real, no-nonsense bombing was in Dec 72. VVAW blabbering in Apr 72 would not have had any intel value to NVN, and certainly didn't cause McCain to be shot down several years EARLIER. BTW, one only had to read the papers or listen to TV/radio in Oct 73 to know we had gone to high DEFCON. Don't give the VVAW more clout or influence than they really had. Parading around in their SGT Pepper, Army surplus store get-ups didn't impress most people.


42 posted on 08/16/2004 12:22:02 PM PDT by Original Kamaaina
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Yikes about the info leak, and evil grin about Hubbard.


43 posted on 08/16/2004 12:22:16 PM PDT by Darksheare (I'll bayonet your snowmen and beat you down with a chinese yo-yo!!)
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To: doug from upland

bttt


44 posted on 08/16/2004 12:22:24 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: BykrBayb

What is the federal statute of limitations on treason?


45 posted on 08/16/2004 12:33:28 PM PDT by fella
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To: hoosiermama

Presently reading FBI files on Kerry and VVAW.

VVAW distributed documents that were stamped with the following statement:

"NEVER THIK THAT WAR NO MATTER HOW NECESSARY NOR HOW JUSTIFIED IS NOT A CRIME. ASK THE INFANTRY AND ASK THE DEAD."


46 posted on 08/16/2004 12:37:53 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated! "Kerry wasn't in Cambodia before he was in Cambodia.")
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To: doug from upland; Interesting Times
1978 -- Former VVAW leader Robert Muller founds the Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA). The VVA also describes John Kerry as a "co-founder" of the organization. In the late 1980s, Mueller and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation (VVAF) will split from the VVA.

Muller or Mueller?
Is this the Robert Mueller, Kerry's classmate, and current director of the FBI?

47 posted on 08/16/2004 12:39:02 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: OldFriend
McCain acknowledges giving ship locations to the Viet Namese captors in exchange for medical attention.

Seems he and Kerry are birds of a feather and are simply protecting each other.

That’s an offensive analogy. To compare to the two is outrageous as McCain did his duty at great personal cost. I don’t know if McCain told the VC anything, but if he did he did so unwillingly and held out as long as he could.

Disagree with his politics all you want, I often do, but your obvious hatred towards him has unbalanced you.

48 posted on 08/16/2004 12:40:51 PM PDT by usurper
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To: usurper

You are wrong. McCain admitted that he gave up ship positions in exchange for medical attention. Call it what you will, he gave up more than name rank and serial number.


49 posted on 08/16/2004 12:43:02 PM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: BykrBayb

Here is another tid bit from the FBI files.

"2. Page two of a document dated September 9,1971 concerning speakers at a VVAW rally, reads in part;
“A rally is scheduled for one P.M. September twelve next at the park. Scheduled speakers include Neil Mc Laughlin, one of eight persons indicted by FGC in four three seventy one for conspiracy to kidnap presidential advisor Henry Kissinger and blow up heating tunnels in Washington D.C.”

My commit:
Did Senator John Kerry know this person, and why would he allow an alleged Domestic Terrorist to speak at this VVAW rally about PEACE in Vietnam?


50 posted on 08/16/2004 12:45:15 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated! "Kerry wasn't in Cambodia before he was in Cambodia.")
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