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theaustralian.news.com.au ^ | August 14, 2004 | Alan Cullison

Posted on 08/16/2004 3:02:51 PM PDT by Calpernia

The September11 terror attacks in the US were staged to overcome disunity in al-Qa'ida, confidential computer records reveal. Alan Cullison reports on what happened after his laptop was wrecked while he was covering the combat in Afghanistan

IN the autumn of 2001, I was one of scores of journalists who ventured into northern Afghanistan to write about the US-assisted war against the Taliban.

After losing use of my computer in an accident, I scrawled stories by candlelight with a ballpoint pen and read dispatches to my editors at The Wall Street Journal over a satellite phone.

When the Taliban's defences crumbled in November 2001, I joined a handful of malnourished correspondents who rushed into Kabul and filed stories about the city's liberation. Unlike most correspondents, I needed to spend some time getting to know Kabul's computer dealers because I wanted to replace my laptop. It took about an hour to shake hands with all of them.

The regime that had forbidden television and kite-flying as un-Islamic had also taken a dim view of computers. I searched through the bazaars and found Soviet-era radios and TV sets, but the electronics dealers had never seen a computer and certainly didn't know how to wire one to a satellite phone.

One dealer told me he had serviced computers belonging to the Taliban and to Arabs in al-Qa'ida. I forgot about my own computer problems and hired him to search for these computers.

Eventually he led me to a semi-literate jewellery salesman with wide-set eyes and a penchant for gold chains. This was the man who that December would take $US1100 from me in exchange for two of al-Qa'ida's most valuable computers -- a 40-gigabyte IBM desktop and a Compaq laptop.

He had stolen them from al-Qa'ida's central office in Kabul on November12, the night before the city fell to the Northern Alliance. He wanted the money, he said, so that he could travel to the US and meet some American girls.

On the night before Kabul fell, Taliban officials were fleeing the city in trucks teetering with their personal effects. The looter who sold me the computers figured that al-Qa'ida had fled as well, so he crawled over a brick wall surrounding the house that served as the group's office. Finding nobody inside, he took the two computers, which he had discovered in a room on the building's second floor. On the door of the room, he said, was the name of Muhammad Atef -- al-Qa'ida's military commander and a key planner of the September 11 attacks in the US.

Each day, he said, Atef would walk into the office carrying the laptop in its black case. The looter knew he had something good. So did the US military when it heard what I had bought. Thinking that the computers might hold information about future attacks, my editors called the US Central Command, which sent three CIA agents to my hotel room in Kabul. They said they needed the computers immediately; I had time to copy only the desktop computer (disk) before handing them both over.

Atef's laptop was returned to me two months later in Washington, DC, by an agent named Bert. The CIA said that the drive had been almost empty, but I've always wondered if this was true.

The desktop computer, it turned out, had been used mostly by Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's top deputy. It contained nearly 1000 text documents dating back to 1997. Many were locked with passwords or encrypted. Most were in Arabic, but some were in French, Farsi, English or Malay, written in an elliptical and evolving system of code words.

I worked intensively for more than a year with several translators and with a colleague at The Wall Street Journal, Andrew Higgins, interviewing dozens of former jihadis to decipher the context, codes and intentions of the messages for a series of articles that Higgins and I wrote for the Journal in 2002.

What emerged was an astonishing inside look at the day-to-day world of al-Qa'ida, as managed by its top strategic planners -- among them bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, Atef, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, all of whom were intimately involved in the planning of 9/11, and some of whom -- including bin Laden and al-Zawahiri -- are still at large.

The documents included budgets, training manuals for recruits and scouting reports for international attacks, and they shed light on everything from personnel matters and petty bureaucratic sniping to theological discussions and debates about the merits of suicide operations.

There were also video files, photographs, scanned documents and web pages, many of which, it became clear, were part of the group's increasingly sophisticated efforts to conduct a global internet-based publicity and recruitment effort.

The jihadis' Kabul office employed a zealous manager -- al-Zawahiri's brother Mohammed, who maintained the computer's files in a meticulous network of folders and subfolders that neatly laid out the group's organisational structure and strategic concerns. (Mohammed's system fell apart after he was arrested in 2000 in Dubai and extradited to Egypt.)

Considered as a whole, the trove of material on the computer represents what is surely the fullest sociological profile of al-Qa'ida to be made public.

Perhaps one of the most important insights to emerge from the computer is that the September 11 operations sprang not so much from al-Qa'ida's strengths as from its weaknesses. The computer did not reveal any links to Iraq or any other deep-pocketed government; amid the group's penury, the members fell to bitter infighting.

The blow against the US was meant to put an end to the internal rivalries, which are manifest in vitriolic memos between Kabul and cells abroad. Al-Qa'ida's leaders worried about a military response from the US, but in such a response they spied opportunity: they had fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and they fondly remembered that war as a galvanising experience, an event that roused the indifferent of the Arab world to fight and win against a technologically superior infidel.

The jihadis expected the US, like the Soviet Union, to be a clumsy opponent. Afghanistan would again become a slowly filling graveyard for the imperial ambitions of a superpower.

Like the early Russian anarchists who wrote some of the most persuasive tracts on the uses of terror, al-Qa'ida understood that its attacks would not lead to a quick collapse of the great powers. Rather, its aim was to tempt the powers to strike back in a way that would create sympathy for the terrorists.

Al-Qa'ida has so far gained little from the ground war in Afghanistan; the conflict in Iraq, closer to the centre of the Arab world, is potentially more fruitful. As Arab resentment against the US spreads, al-Qa'ida may look less like a tightly knit terror group and more like a mass movement.

And as the group develops synergy in working with other groups branded by the US as enemies (in Iraq, the Israeli-occupied territories, Kashmir, the Mindanao peninsula and Chechnya, to name a few places), one wonders if the US is indeed playing the role written for it on the computer.

Secret operations

AS al-Qa'ida established itself in Afghanistan in the late 1990s and began managing international operations of increasing complexity and audacity, the group focused on ensuring the secrecy of its communications. It discouraged the use of email and the telephone, and recommended faxes and couriers.

The electronic files reflect the global nature of the work being done; much of the correspondence was neatly filed by country name. Messages were usually encrypted and often couched in language mimicking that of a multinational corporation; thus bin Laden was sometimes "the contractor", acts of terrorism became "trade", Mullah Omar and the Taliban became "the Omar Brothers Company", the security services of the US and Britain became "foreign competitors", and so on.

Letters sent from and to al-Zawahiri in 1999 contain coded language typical of many files on the computer; they also show the degree to which al-Qa'ida operatives abroad were being exposed and detained because of their efforts. In the first of the following two letters, much of the code remains mysterious.

To: Yemen Cell Members

From: Ayman al-Zawahiri

Folder: Outgoing Mail -- To Yemen

Date: February 1, 1999

...I would like to clarify the following with relation to the birthday [probably an unspecified attack]:

(a) Don't think of showering as it may harm your health.

(b) We can't make a hotel reservation for you, but they usually don't mind making reservations for guests. Those who wish to make a reservation should go to Quwedar [a famous pastry shop in Cairo].

(c) I suggest that each of you takes a recipient to Quwedar to buy sweets, then make the hotel reservation. It is easy. After you check in, walk to Nur. After you attend the birthday, go from Quwedar to Bushra St, where you should buy movie tickets to the Za'bolla movie theatre.

(d) The birthday will be in the third month. How do you want to celebrate it in the seventh? Do you want us to change the boy's birth date? There are guests awaiting the real date to get back to their work.

(e) I don't have any gravel [probably ammunition or bomb-making material].

To: Ayman al-Zawahiri

From: Unknown

Folder: Incoming Mail -- From Yemen

Date: May 13, 1999

Dear brother Salah al-Din:

...Forty of the contractor's [bin Laden's] friends here were taken by surprise by malaria [arrested] a few days ago, following the telegram they sent, which was similar to Salah al-Din's telegrams [that is, it used the same code]. The majority of them are from here [Yemen] and two are from the contractor's country [Saudi Arabia]... We heard that al-Asmar had a sudden illness and went to the hospital [prison]. He will have a session with the doctors [lawyers] early next month to see if he can be treated there, or if he should be sent for treatment in his country [probably Egypt, where jihadis were routinely tortured and hanged]...

Osman called some days ago. He is fine but in intensive care [being monitored by the police]. When his situation improves he will call. He is considering looking for work with Salah al-Din [in Afghanistan], as opportunities are scarce where he is, but his health condition is the obstacle.

After 9/11

THE first evidence of work on the computer following September 11, 2001, comes just days after the attacks, in the form of a promotional video called The Big Job -- a montage of TV footage of the attacks and their chaotic aftermath, all set to rousing victory music. The office was surely busier than it had ever been and soon many members of al-Qa'ida's inner circle were competing for time on the computer.

Bin al-Shibh, the senior Yemeni operative who co-ordinated with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in masterminding the attacks, used the computer to work on a hasty and unfinished ideological justification for the operation, which he titled The Truth About the New Crusade: A Ruling on the Killing of Women and Children of the Non-Believers, excerpts of which follow:

Concerning the operations of the blessed Tuesday [9/11] ... they are legally legitimate, because they are committed against a country at war with us, and the people in that country are combatants. Someone might say that it is the innocent, the elderly, the women and the children who are victims, so how can these operations be legitimate according to sharia? And we say that the sanctity of women, children and the elderly is not absolute.

There are special cases ... Muslims may respond in kind if infidels have targeted women and children and elderly Muslims, [or if] they are being invaded, [or if] the non-combatants are helping with the fight, whether in action, word or any other type of assistance, [or if they] need to attack with heavy weapons, which do not differentiate between combatants and non-combatants...

There are benefits ... The operations have brought about the largest economic crisis that America has ever known. Material losses amount to $1trillion. America has lost about 2000 economic brains as a result of the operations. The stock exchange dropped drastically, and American consumer spending deteriorated. The dollar has dropped, the airlines have been crippled, the American globalisation system, which was going to spoil the world, is gone...

God said to assault whoever assaults you, in a like manner ... In killing Americans who are ordinarily off-limits, Muslims should not exceed 4million non-combatants or render more than 10million of them homeless. We should avoid this, to make sure the penalty [that we are inflicting] is no more than reciprocal. God knows what is best.

Bin Laden

BIN Laden himself was composing letters on the computer just weeks before the fall of Kabul. In them he defiantly addressed the American people with a statement of al-Qa'ida's goals, which he then went on to spell out at much greater length for Mullah Omar, in the spirit of a powerful, high-level political adviser offering advice to a head of state.

To: Mullah Omar

From: Osama bin Laden

Folder: Deleted File (Recovered)

Date: October 3, 2001

...I would like to emphasise the major impact of your statements on the Islamic world. Nothing harms America more than receiving your strong response to its positions and statements ... Newspapers mentioned that a recent survey showed that seven out of every 10 Americans suffer psychological problems following the attacks on New York and Washington ... Keep in mind that America is currently facing two contradictory problems:

(a) If it refrains from responding to jihad operations, its prestige will collapse, thus forcing it to withdraw its troops abroad and restrict itself to US internal affairs. This will transform it from a major power to a third-rate power, similar to Russia.

(b) On the other hand, a campaign against Afghanistan will impose great long-term economic burdens, leading to further economic collapse, which will force America, God willing, to resort to the former Soviet Union's only option: withdrawal from Afghanistan, disintegration and contraction.

Thus our plan in the face of this campaign should focus on the following:

Serving a blow to the American economy, which will lead to:

(a) Further weakening of the American economy.

(b) Shaking the confidence in the American economy. This will lead investors to refrain from investing in America or participating in American companies, thus accelerating the fall of the American economy...

Conducting a media campaign to fight the enemy's publicity. The campaign should focus on the following important points:

Attempt to cause a rift between the American people and their government, by demonstrating the following to the Americans:

That the US Government will lead them into further losses of money and lives.

That the Government is sacrificing the people to serve the interests of the rich, particularly the Jews.

That the Government is leading them to the war front to protect Israel and its security.

America should withdraw from the current battle between Muslims and Jews.

This plan aims to create pressure from the American people on their Government to stop its campaign against Afghanistan, on the grounds that the campaign will cause major losses to the American people...

Peace upon you and God's mercy and blessings.

Your brother,

Osama Bin Mohammed Bin Laden


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1 posted on 08/16/2004 3:02:54 PM PDT by Calpernia
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Ping


2 posted on 08/16/2004 3:03:45 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Calpernia

Bump for later reading.


3 posted on 08/16/2004 3:10:16 PM PDT by PilloryHillary (stopkerrynow.com)
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To: Calpernia

I heard about this on the radio, but couldn't figure out where to find it to read. Thanks so much!


BOOKMARKING BUMP!


4 posted on 08/16/2004 3:11:13 PM PDT by EggsAckley (........."Yo" is "Oy" spelled backwards.........)
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To: Calpernia; Dog

Great Stuff!


5 posted on 08/16/2004 3:23:22 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life...........)
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To: Calpernia

What a find this reporter came across! Thanks for posting.


6 posted on 08/16/2004 3:24:03 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar

The Dems have play Osama's hand quite in line with his wishes. How nice of them.


7 posted on 08/16/2004 3:49:13 PM PDT by LouisWu (Mr. Grainger, are you free?)
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To: Calpernia
Conducting a media campaign to fight the enemy's publicity. The campaign should focus on the following important points:

Attempt to cause a rift between the American people and their government, by demonstrating the following to the Americans:

That the US Government will lead them into further losses of money and lives.

DNC Talking point 1

That the Government is sacrificing the people to serve the interests of the rich, particularly the Jews.

DNC Talking point 2

That the Government is leading them to the war front to protect Israel and its security.

EU Talking point 1

America should withdraw from the current battle between Muslims and Jews.

EU Talking point 2

This plan aims to create pressure from the American people on their Government to stop its campaign against Afghanistan, on the grounds that the campaign will cause major losses to the American people...

Wow it looks like the DNC and the EU got an early draft of the memo.

8 posted on 08/16/2004 3:52:33 PM PDT by usurper
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To: Cedar

index


9 posted on 08/16/2004 4:09:22 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: LouisWu

"The Dems have play Osama's hand quite in line with his wishes."

Yeah, sounds like they were really the ones to first find the computer! (Makes you wonder about the CIA...hmmmm...)


10 posted on 08/16/2004 4:21:43 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Calpernia; Drumbo

Great find!

*bookmark*


11 posted on 08/16/2004 4:50:13 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (Cha! I am SO not an aggressive driver! Merely a pro-active one.)
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To: Calpernia

BTTT


12 posted on 08/16/2004 6:33:17 PM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: txflake

"index"

???


13 posted on 08/16/2004 7:02:31 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Calpernia
It was good of the author to let CIA have access to the harddrives. I half-expected to read that he hid them away.

After Grenada went down in October-November of 1983 I was a little SP4 in the Army Reserves. That tiny little island for some reason had so much Cuban and Soviet intelligence documents that 525th MI Group started farming it out to the "Strat" MIDs.

Analysts found lots of neat stuff, the damn commies had their dirty little fingers in almost any pie you could name in the Western hemisphere. I also heard that when the Cubans booked out of their mission, they left their comm facility open and everything on - radios tuned to special freqencies and decryption devices left on the current keys. Some of it was lost when a few GIs messed with the dials trying to tune into to music, but a lot was pristine.

I bet our guys got similar windfalls from Afghanistan and Iraq... and I bet a lot of it points to Iran.

14 posted on 08/16/2004 7:50:03 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Cedar
It's how you link a thread to yourself. By replying, whether you say BTTT (back to the top), BUMP (to the top), PING (like Internet Protocol Ping or just 'yo, hey' to other like-minded freepers, like in Ping-Pong), or whatever you wish to write, or not, if you are too braindead, busy, drunk, what have you... it's how you can find the thread that interested you later on. 'Indexing' is not a special SQL function/call, for us users, anyway.
15 posted on 08/16/2004 7:59:25 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Revel; Letitring; jerseygirl; lacylu; Velveeta; Honestly; Cindy; bevlar; liberallyconservative

Have you read this article?

Lots of info and some of the code words.


16 posted on 08/16/2004 7:59:33 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: struwwelpeter
From my searches, it appears that the commies still have their fingers in every dirty pie.

It is difficult to tell the difference between the jihad's goals and the commie goals.

The Muslim Manifesto 1990, is only a small portion of the
communist manifesto of 1963.

both can be found with a simple general google search.
17 posted on 08/16/2004 8:06:19 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; Honestly; Cindy; jerseygirl
It would be interesting to me, to see some of the posts that
daleel and EOM have posted on the Internet, along side the
above coded letters.

Do you have any that can be used here?

Please and thank you.

Is that why they write in a manner that leaves us thinking that they do not know what they are talking about?

It would appear that the nothing words mean more than the
"expected" words.
18 posted on 08/16/2004 8:18:21 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: Calpernia

Thank you for posting this for me.

You are a true blessing.


19 posted on 08/16/2004 8:19:28 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: struwwelpeter

How are you? The Urkaine newsletters I'm on don't have great news right now. Russia is strong arming.


20 posted on 08/16/2004 8:27:48 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: nw_arizona_granny; usurper

Worth a REbump!

Conducting a media campaign to fight the enemy's publicity. The campaign should focus on the following important points:
Attempt to cause a rift between the American people and their government, by demonstrating the following to the Americans:

That the US Government will lead them into further losses of money and lives.

DNC Talking point 1

That the Government is sacrificing the people to serve the interests of the rich, particularly the Jews.

DNC Talking point 2

That the Government is leading them to the war front to protect Israel and its security.

EU Talking point 1

America should withdraw from the current battle between Muslims and Jews.

EU Talking point 2

This plan aims to create pressure from the American people on their Government to stop its campaign against Afghanistan, on the grounds that the campaign will cause major losses to the American people...

Wow it looks like the DNC and the EU got an early draft of the memo.


8 posted on 08/16/2004 6:52:33 PM EDT by usurper


21 posted on 08/16/2004 8:28:49 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: nw_arizona_granny; StillProud2BeFree

I just tried to access the EOM/Daleel group to copy over posts for cross referencing.

That group is gone? It isn't showing in my Yahoo User Group now.


22 posted on 08/16/2004 8:31:49 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Calpernia

BTTT


23 posted on 08/16/2004 8:37:04 PM PDT by spodefly (This post meets the minimum daily requirements for cynicism and irony.)
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To: usurper; Calpernia; Honestly
You are quick to catch all the connections/workings of the enemy. Good for you.

When a person adds in the communist party and their take-over of the democratic party, it is clear that our enemy is much more than a few muslim terrorists.

It reminds me of a bunch of drunks fighting, someone in the
crowd keeps yelling "Hit him again, and they all try to do so".

the democrats have been so overtaken, they do not even realize who they are striking.

If you will do a general search at Google for:

muslim and democrat connection

It will show how close and the intertwining of the two groups.

And if you want more of the "it will make you sick " information, do a general Google search for:

muslim donations to democrats

My opinion of course.
24 posted on 08/16/2004 8:42:21 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; usurper; Honestly; Mia T; Alamo-Girl

I am starting to think that the main stream journalist is no longer a research.

The media is totally ignoring the documents out there to support your point. The http://www.jfklibrary.org/pr_kissinger_files.html and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/940575/posts files totally support your thoughts. Yet no main stream news outlet is researching this.


25 posted on 08/16/2004 8:54:29 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Calpernia
This sounds so much like the local radio talk shows, that it is even strange to see it in print.

The democrats call and make these points, and the brainwashing is plain to see, as they all say the same thing, word for word.

for some reason the many muslims who were calling the talk shows, have stopped, it has been maybe 2 weeks since I heard one call in.

Except for one that has shown up on radio and TV and tells how wonderful it is to be a muslim and that it is not evil, only a few of them are.

I didn't bother to remember his name, as he was reading the usual "Religion of Peace Script."

The democrats all yell, not to vote for Bush, he has not closed the borders and it is THEIR own communist leaders who have ordered it to stay open.

They want the border open so that more people can come in and register to vote.

The fake I.D. papers work for voting and getting into the American systems.
26 posted on 08/16/2004 8:54:41 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Granny, your opinions, instincts, and wisdom are so valuable in solving the terror problem. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.


27 posted on 08/16/2004 8:56:39 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 08/16/2004 8:57:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: struwwelpeter
After re-reading your very good post, I do agree with you, a lot of the terrorist problem is pointing to Iran.

Iran and Russia, are now making all kinds of contracts,
including nuclear.

Would love to have been able to read and understand the finds that you found on Grenada.

I thank you for having gone and served your country.
29 posted on 08/16/2004 8:59:17 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: txflake

Thanks for explaining.

Since I didn't post the original article, I thought maybe you were asking me for an index of....??


30 posted on 08/16/2004 9:01:10 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar; txflake

I'm guilty of that too. I come by and want to read something later, I will only bump, ping or just hit .. to the last person listed.

..

hee hee


31 posted on 08/16/2004 9:05:22 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: LayoutGuru2

Is the EOM yahoo group gone? I just looked for it and didn't see it in my Yahoo groups. There are some great messages above to cross reference.


32 posted on 08/16/2004 9:06:25 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Revel

You here? Ping.

How is your leg?


33 posted on 08/16/2004 9:07:27 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Yes, the Iran/Russia connection is deeply disturbing.

Thanks for the ping.


34 posted on 08/16/2004 9:14:38 PM PDT by liberallyconservative
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To: liberallyconservative

>>>the Iran/Russia connection is deeply disturbing

Ping


35 posted on 08/16/2004 9:18:47 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Calpernia

Looks like the Kerry campaign is answering Osama's call. They are carrying out all his directions:

Conducting a media campaign to fight the enemy's publicity. The campaign should focus on the following important points:

Attempt to cause a rift between the American people and their government, by demonstrating the following to the Americans:

That the US Government will lead them into further losses of money and lives.

That the Government is sacrificing the people to serve the interests of the rich, particularly the Jews.

That the Government is leading them to the war front to protect Israel and its security.

America should withdraw from the current battle between Muslims and Jews.


36 posted on 08/16/2004 9:18:56 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: DoctorZIn

Ping


37 posted on 08/16/2004 9:19:25 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Thanks for the ping.
Freepmail for you.


38 posted on 08/16/2004 9:33:16 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Calpernia
The newsmen dare not do the research, isn't Kissinger head of the communist group ANSWER?

I know that it kept him off an investigating committee, a year or two ago, don't recall all the details.

Kissinger and his importance always bothered me, how did he
grow to control several presidents?

The news people appear to be democrats and the democrats are more of a communist group, than they are American.

Yes, every thing does go in a circle and come back to "communist", if one checks the links on the groups.

The democrats support Kerry, and so do the communists.

Thank you for the links, they are good ones. I had read part of them last year when Ann Coulter came out with her book on McCarthy.

so much to read, I need to be 5 people.
39 posted on 08/16/2004 9:45:18 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: Calpernia
Friends over there are very worried. Kuchma's hand-picked successor - Viktor Yanukovich - is doing the same nasty election politics that Kuchma pulled. Yushchenko seems to be semi-clean, which for Ukraine is close to sainthood.

A friend who was held six months in "protective custody" for backing the wrong side in Zaporozh'e city politics thinks it's going to be a revolution, but I think the people are too pessimistic and worn-out to bother.


40 posted on 08/16/2004 9:46:44 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Calpernia

I have to consider the thought that they are now in Cuba.

Maybe EOM didn't make the last crossing from Mexico, safely.

Oh dear, now we have to wait for another to start posting threats to us. Never fear, someone will.


41 posted on 08/16/2004 9:48:04 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: Honestly; StillProud2BeFree
Honestly,

I try, as you do and so many others do to find and report all that is worth reporting.

If we could only know, when we have truly found the worth while info, as the man did in this article.

Even he had to wait for months, to find out that he had found and turned in valuable information.

As Jerry Brown said about Freeper Laura Mansfield, after her
show last night, "The important reporters and newspapers are
now beginning to report the news on the terrorists, but Laura has had us far ahead of them for six months now".

Laura is on Sunday Nights for an hour. She at least knows the language and understands what it means.

Laura can you post the information for your radio shows here so others may listen to you also?
42 posted on 08/16/2004 9:58:07 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: Calpernia

Weird. It is still there, but it looks like the membership has been purged.

eom_and_daleel · The EOM & Daleel Discussion Board
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eom_and_daleel/

New within the last seven days:
Members: 6 Messages: 8


I just signed up again. The moderator has to approve your membership now. Probabably got too hot over there with all of the flaming going on. Pun intended!

I'll ping Joe and find out what is going on.


43 posted on 08/16/2004 11:03:32 PM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Triskaidekaphobia ? Never heard of it !)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo; Myrddin; Jill St Claire

Ping

did you read this one?


44 posted on 08/17/2004 4:38:04 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: struwwelpeter

KUCHMA TELLS RUMSFELD UKRAINE'S STANCE ON EU,
NATO, US TIES REMAIN UNCHANGED

TV 5 Kanal, Kiev, Ukraine, in Ukrainian, 13 Aug 04
BBC Monitoring Service, UK, in English, Friday, Aug 13, 2004

KIEV - [Presenter] [Ukrainian] President [Leonid] Kuchma has confirmed that the country's course towards European and Euro- Atlantic integration and its position on strategic partnership with the USA remain unchanged. He promised this to [visiting] US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in Crimea. Rumsfeld met with Ukrainian Defence Minister [Yevhen] Marchuk.

[Passage omitted: Rumsfeld outlines "two compulsory components" for security in Iraq.] The two ministers agreed that the length of the Ukrainian peacekeepers' deployment in Iraq depended on the situation in that country. [Marchuk] To a significant extend - I have already spoken about this - [this] will depend on how quickly the Iraqi security forces are able to take the situation in their country under control.


45 posted on 08/17/2004 6:43:54 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Calpernia

Bumping index bookmark thingie! ;-)


46 posted on 08/17/2004 9:56:21 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Kerry is endorsed by the Communist Party USA!)
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To: Tunehead54

Ditto. Lots of interesting info that I need to come back and look at later in a lot more detail....


47 posted on 08/17/2004 10:08:38 AM PDT by shezza
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To: Calpernia

Few know that after UK and Poland, Ukraine has the biggest committment with 1600 peacekeepers.

Even if Kuchma-Yanukovich-Ryadchenko promise 10,000 we need to dump these gangsters.

48 posted on 08/17/2004 10:23:09 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter

>>>Few know that after UK and Poland, Ukraine has the biggest committment with 1600 peacekeepers

AND

Ukrainian sabre fencer Vladyslav Tretiak has won a bronze medal at the Olympic Games in Athens.

WOO HOO! Congrats!


49 posted on 08/17/2004 4:56:51 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Thank you, Ruth! I saw only the article portion on the web, not the attachments Calpernia also posted. It is all very interesting. The insights in your comments and in the comments of others here on this thread alone is worth reading even if I had read everything before.

I also would like to see a run-down of EOM/Daleel comments as you described. We should count nothing out and add everything possoible to the mix.


50 posted on 08/17/2004 4:58:38 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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