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Is America a Christian Nation?
Catholic Educator's Resource ^ | 2001 | Carl Pearlston

Posted on 08/16/2004 3:15:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The use of Christian religious references in the recent Presidential Inauguration prayers has served to reopen the debate over religion in America's public life. Professor Alan Dershowitz led off with an article strongly objecting that America wasn't a Christian nation; Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby replied that it certainly was. Who is right? Is America a Christian nation? The answer is both yes and no, depending on what one means by the phrase.

When President Harry Truman wrote to Pope Pius XII in 1947 that "This is a Christian nation.", he certainly did not mean that the United States has an official or legally-preferred religion or church. Nor did he mean to slight adherents of non-Christian religions. But he certainly did mean to recognize that this nation, its institutions and laws, was founded on Biblical principles basic to Christianity and to Judaism from which it flowed. As he told an Attorney General's Conference in 1950, "The fundamental basis of this nation's laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and Saint Matthew, from Isaiah and Saint Paul. I don't think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State."

Woodrow Wilson, in his election campaign for President, made the same point: "A nation which does not remember what it was yesterday, does not know what it is today, nor what it is trying to do. We are trying to do a futile thing if we do not know where we came from or what we have been about.... America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the tenets of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scripture."

The crucial role of Christianity in this nation's formation is not without dispute, although as Revolutionary leader Patrick Henry said: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship."

John Ashcroft was roundly criticized for his "No King but Jesus" speech at Bob Jones University, but he was only reminding us of our colonial and Revolutionary War heritage. In a 1774 report to King George, the Governor of Boston noted: "If you ask an American, who is his master? He will tell you he has none, nor any governor but Jesus Christ." The pre-war Colonial Committees of Correspondence soon made this the American motto: "No King but King Jesus." And this sentiment was carried over into the 1783 peace treaty with Great Britain ending that war, which begins "In the name of the most Holy and Undivided Trinity... ."

Samuel Adams, who has been called 'The Father of the American Revolution' wrote The Rights of the Colonists in 1772, which stated: "The rights of the colonists as Christians...may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institution of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament."

It is frequently asserted by those seeking to minimize Christianity's central role in our nation's founding and history, that the founders themselves were not practicing Christians, but rather were Deists or Agnostics. In a 1962

speech to Congress, Senator Robert Byrd noted that of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 29 were Anglicans, 16-18 were Calvinists, and among the rest were 2 Methodists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 lapsed Quaker-sometimes Anglican, and only 1 open Deist — Benjamin Franklin who attended all Christian worships and called for public prayer.

Samuel Chase was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, a Justice of the US Supreme Court, and, as Chief Justice of the State of Maryland, wrote in 1799 ( Runkel v Winemiller): "By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion... ." (Maryland was one of nine States having established churches supported by taxpayers at the time of the adoption of the Constitution; these churches were gradually disestablished, the last in 1833. The Maryland constitution, typical of many of the States, restricted public office to Christians until, in 1851, it was changed to allow Jews who believed in a future state of rewards and punishments to also serve).

Christianity pervaded the laws and the legal system of the States and the federal government. For example, Judge Nathaniel Freeman in 1802 charged Massachusetts Grand Juries as follows: "The laws of the Christian system, as embraced by the Bible, must be respected as of high authority in all our courts... . [Our government] originating in the voluntary compact of a people who in that very instrument profess the Christian religion, it may be considered, not as republic Rome was, a Pagan, but a Christian republic." In 1811 ( People v Ruggles), New York Chief Justice James Kent held: "'...whatever strikes at the root of Christianity tends manifestly to the dissolution of civil government... .' We are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity... . Christianity in its enlarged sense, as a religion revealed and taught in the Bible, is part and parcel of the law of the land... ." In 1824, the Pennsylvania Supreme court held ( Updegraph v The Commonwealth): Christianity, general Christianity, is and always has been a part of the common law...not Christianity founded on any particular religious tenets; not Christianity with an established church, but Christianity with liberty of conscience to all men... ."

Our sixth President, John Quincy Adams said "From the day of the Declaration...they [the American people] were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of The Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledge as the rules of their conduct"

John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court said: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their ruler, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." This was said despite the explicit provision in the federal Constitution forbidding any religious test for federal public office.

Justice Joseph Story, who was appointed to the US Supreme Court by President Madison, said in an 1829 speech at Harvard: "There never has been a period of history, in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundation." Story wrote several respected treatises or Commentaries on Constitutional Law, in which are found the following: "Probably, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and of the [First] Amendment...the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the State so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience and the freedom of religious worship. Any attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation."

"The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical patronage of the national government".

Justice Story wrote for a unanimous Supreme Court in 1844 ( Vidal v Girard's Executors): "It is also said, and truly that the Christian religion is a part of the common law... ."

In 1854, The United States House of Congress passed a resolution: "The great vital and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and divine truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ."

During the Civil War, The Senate passed a resolution in 1863: "...devoutly recognizing the supreme authority and just government of Almighty God...encouraged seek Him for succor according to His appointed way, through Jesus Christ, the Senate ...does hereby request the President set aside a day for national prayer and humiliation." President Lincoln promptly issued a Proclamation Appointing a National Fast Day, stating " compliance with the request and fully concurring in the view of the Senate... ."

The US Supreme Court forbade polygamy in 1890 (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints v United States): "It is contrary to the spirit of Christianity and the civilization which Christianity has produced in the Western world." Two years later, the Court, by Justice Brewer, approvingly cited many of the earlier cases cited above, discussed the history and prominent role of religion in laws, business, customs, and society, and held (Church of the Holy Trinity v United States): "...this is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation... . These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian Nation... .we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth."

Congress in essence summarized all this preceding history when it passed a Joint Resolution designating 1983 as The Year of the Bible, stating: "Whereas the Bible, the Word of God, has made a unique contribution in shaping the United States as a distinctive and blessed nation and people; ...deeply held religious convictions springing from the Holy scriptures led to the early settlement of our Nation; ...Biblical teachings inspired concepts of civil government that are contained in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States....designate 1983 as a national 'Year of the Bible in recognition of both the formative influence the Bible has been for our Nation, and our national need to study and apply the teachings of the Holy Scriptures". In 1988, a Joint Resolution of Congress declared that the first Thursday in May of each year is to be a National Day of Prayer.

The historical record from the foregoing quotes from past Presidents, leaders, Congressmen, Jurists and court decisions, seems firmly on the side of those claiming that America was born and maintained as a Christian nation whose laws, morals, and customs derive from Christian (and Jewish) scriptures. The opponents of this view, however, point to the first sentence of Article 11 of the obscure Tripoli Treaty of 1797 as seeming conclusive proof that America was never a Christian nation. Before discussing that critical sentence, the treaty itself should be read in context with all of the Barbary treaties.

The Barbary States on the coast of North Africa, comprising the Moslem States of Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, attacked ships in their coastal waters which would not pay tribute, and held captives for ransom. The European nations had treaties with those states, under which, in exchange for tribute, shipping was protected. After the Revolutionary War, our new nation followed the lead of those European nations and entered into similar treaties. Breach of those treaties by the Barbary nations led to the Barbary wars in 1801.

The first treaty was with Morocco in 1786, negotiated by Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin. It was written in Arabic with an English translation. The treaty language assumes that the world was divided between Christians and Moors (Moslems), e.g. "If we shall be at war with any Christian Power ... .", "... no Vessel whatever belonging either to Moorish or Christian Powers with whom the United States may be at War ... .", " their enemies Moors or Christians." These along with numerous references to God, e.g., "In the name of Almighty God,", "... trusting in God ...", "Grace to the only God", "...the servant of God ...", "... whom God preserve ...". are the only references to religion in this treaty of Peace and Friendship.

The next was the Treaty of Peace and Amity with Algiers in 1795,written in Turkish. The only reference to religion was in Article 17 which gave the Consul of the United States "... Liberty to Exercise his Religion in his own House [and] all Slaves of the Same Religion shall not be impeded in going to Said Consul's house at hours of prayer... ." The Consul's house was to function in lieu of a Christian church.

The Treaty of Amity, Commerce, and Navigation with Tunis in 1797 was in Turkish with a French translation. It begins "God is infinite.", and refers to the Ottoman Emperor "whose realm may God prosper", and to the President of the United States "... the most distinguished among those who profess the religion of the Messiah, ...." Other than a reference to "the Christian year", there is no further mention of religion.

The Treaty of Peace and Friendship with Tripoli was signed in 1796 in Arabic, and was later translated into English by Joel Barlow, United States Consul General at Algiers. Except for the typical phrases "Praise be to God" and "whom God Exalt", there is no reference to religion other than the aforesaid remarkable Article 11, which reads,

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, — and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan (sic) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

The treaty, with this language, was submitted to the Senate by President Adams, and was ratified. Thus, opponents of the 'Christian nation' concept point to this seemingly official repudiation of the very idea. Yet the language is less a repudiation of the role of Christianity in the nation's heritage than a reminder that there was no national established church in the United States as there was in the European states with which Tripoli had previously dealt. This provided reassurance to the Moslem Bey and his religious establishment that religion, in of itself, would not be a basis of hostility between the two nations. None of the other similar treaties with the Barbary states, before or after this treaty, including the replacement treaties signed in 1804 after the Barbary Wars, have any language remotely similar.

And there is a deeper mystery: As noted in a footnote at page 1070 of the authoritative treatise by Bevans, Treaties and other International Agreements of the United States of America, citing treaty scholar Hunter Miller.

"While the Barlow translation quoted above has been printed in all official and unofficial treaty collections since 1797, most extraordinary (and wholly unexplained) is the fact that Article 11 of the Barlow translation, with its famous phrase 'the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.' does not exist at all. There is no Article 11. The Arabic text which is between Articles 10 and 12 is in form a letter, crude and flamboyant and withal quite unimportant, from the Dey of Algiers to the Pasha of Tripoli. How that script came to be written and to be regarded, as in the Barlow translation, as Article 11 of the treaty as there written, is a mystery and seemingly must remain so. Nothing in the diplomatic correspondence of the time throws any light whatever on the point" (Emphasis added)

In sum, the phrase was no doubt an invention of Mr. Barlow, who inserted it on his own for his own, unknown, purposes. It was duly ratified without question by the United States Senate, which would no doubt be hesitant to object to any phraseology which was represented as desired by the Bey of Tripoli, with whom the United States wanted peaceful relations. It remains a mystery.

Can America still be called a Christian nation? It is certainly a more religiously pluralistic and diverse society than it was during the 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries. There are increasing numbers of non-Christians immigrating to this country, and there has been a rapid rise in adherents to Islam among our population. There are millions of Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists, Unitarians, Hindus, Wiccans, Naturists, Agnostics, and Atheists, but Christians comprise roughly 84% of the population. Our constitutional legal system is still based on the Jewish/Christian Bible, not the Koran or other holy book. We still observe Sunday, the Christian Sabbath, as an official holiday. Easter and Christmas still have a special place in the holiday lexicon. The Ten Commandments are still on the wall behind the Supreme Court Justices when they take the bench. Our coins still display the motto "In God We Trust." The US is still firmly part of a Western Civilization fashioned by a Judeo-Christian religious ethic and heritage. Alexis de Tocqueville observed more than a century and a half ago, "There is no country in the world, where the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America." That is still true today. We live, not under a Christian government, but in a nation where all are free to practice their particular religion, in accommodation with other religions, and in accordance with the basic principles of the nation, which are Christian in origin. It is in that sense that America may properly be referred to as a Christian nation.

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To: Long Cut
You wrote:

The Preamble:

"We, the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

No mention of "promoting the goals of Christianity" there.

Article I: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free excercise thereof;..."

Seems pretty clear on the subject, actually.

No offense, Long Cut, but your "analysis" is weak. Jefferson's quote, 'Separation of Church...", has been distorted by leftists, even though it is clear Jefferson did not mean his quote the way the leftist courts interpreted it. In general, Jefferson declared original intent to be the only valid interpretation, as follows:

"On every question of construction [of the constitution], carry ourselves back to the time when the constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." -- Thomas Jefferson, June 12, 1823

Another point: Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution, was clear in his belief that this was a Christian nation. The same was expressed in the opinions of all Supreme Court rulings on religious matters prior to 1900 (maybe even as late as 1946). I trust them far more than the new-fangled interpretations of godless leftists inflenced by the vile ACLU. You should, too.

41 posted on 08/16/2004 4:50:34 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Long Cut
To the less secure, that might SEEM to be Leftist, or possibly just worthy of a slur or two. Ignore them.

I highly doubt that those of that ilk do much good for attracting others to Christianity.

Who wants to be hit with a cement bible? These types have forced my family out of lots of churches, since I don't want to walk, talk and think just like them.

42 posted on 08/16/2004 4:51:30 PM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
This discussion crops up again and again in right-wing circles. As a devout Christian, I feel that no "official" state variant of my faith could exist without watering down the truth of the Gospel. Despite the fact that many of our founding fathers were Christians and the populace at large has identified, in varying degrees, with Christianity, any Constitutional effort to declare the USA a Christian nation would harm both state and church.

Do you really want the order of worship of your church to be approved and established by an Act of Congress? Do you want Congress to approve the leadership of your denomination? I seriously doubt that the demands of the Gospel will be clearly proclaimed in any Federal Government version of the faith.

This is what happens in nations with established religions.
God forbid that it happen here in America!

Having said that, I believe the First Amendment has been abused by extremist groups such as the ACLU who seek to obliterate all traces of Christianity from our common life as a nation. To deny that Christianity played a vital role in the founding and expansion of our great nation -- and continues to this day to be the at least nominal faith of the majority -- is as patently absurd as a sermon written by a Senate sub-committee would be.
43 posted on 08/16/2004 4:54:17 PM PDT by good_fight
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To: PhilipFreneau
"Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution, was clear in his belief that this was a Christian nation."

Ah, so the guide should be what a judge BELIEVES,instead of what the document actually SAYS (as long as we agree). I get it now...

44 posted on 08/16/2004 4:54:26 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Everybody; Long Cut
"Is America a Christian Nation?"

Inasmuch as its majority religion is Christianity, yes.
Legally and Constitutionally, no.

"The goal of the U.S. Constitution is to recognize God-given rights, not to advance the goals of Christianity."

Good summation.
-Long Cut-


I always shudder a bit when I see people seriously claim that our rights are "God given".

I foresee that an insistence upon a 'Creator' that gave us our rights presupposes a scenario where 'He' could take them away.
[Assisted by his earthly disciples, of course.]

There are far too many sects & cults that firmly believe that they can enforce 'God given rights', -- as they see fit to interpret them.

45 posted on 08/16/2004 4:55:19 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson-)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

My favorite site for topics like these:

46 posted on 08/16/2004 4:55:56 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Long Cut

>> Which does not, of course, mean they weren't wrong.

Do you really expect us to believe that for more than 150 years the people did not understand the Constitution? That an accurate interpretation required a communist-front organization, the ACLU, helping Hugo Black and the 1947 Supreme Court interpret the Constitution?

That is the stupid thing I have heard since John Kerry's last speech. And it doesn't get much 'stupider' than that.

47 posted on 08/16/2004 4:56:14 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
"Who wants to be hit with a cement bible? "

LOL! Excellent one!

"These types have forced my family out of lots of churches, since I don't want to walk, talk and think just like them."

They are likewise one of the reasons I no longer follow any organized religion, and do not wish to.

48 posted on 08/16/2004 4:57:02 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

49 posted on 08/16/2004 4:58:11 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: PhilipFreneau
Well, you are claiming that for 150 years, the people of the US believed it to be a Christian Nation, when the Constitution specifically prohibits the establishment of religion (and I'm not at ALL sure that ALL of the people belived that - do you have some polling data?). Since the document's wording is quite clear, it must be that they were either misinformed, ignorant of the implications of the First, or just hadn't read it.

BTW, as the actual wording shows, the 1947 court wasn't the first time anyone thought of this. The FF's could have written it specifically into the Constitution, or the people could have passed an amendment at any time after that. They didn't.

50 posted on 08/16/2004 5:02:44 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Semper
The essence of this country is FREEDOM. The freedom of individual choice.

I agree. Ironically, the concept of freedom itself came from Christianity in that we are given "free will" by God but are accountable. Other religions are not this generous. I do agree the Constitution is there to protect our "God-given rights".
51 posted on 08/16/2004 5:04:11 PM PDT by microgood
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To: PhilipFreneau
"That is the stupid thing I have heard since John Kerry's last speech. And it doesn't get much 'stupider' than that. "

"Stupidest". And personal attack noted, along with the obligatory Kerry slur.

52 posted on 08/16/2004 5:04:39 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: good_fight; Long Cut
I would go one step further and say that a primary reason the USA remains the most religious of Western democracies is that we do separate church and state.

I wholeheartedly agree. Not having a state religion protects the church. The church needs protection from the state, not the state from the church. Check out the stats on countries that have an "official" religion, such as the UK. The percentage of those who attend church and even believe in God is much lower than the U.S. Putting church and state, or religion and state, together can also hurt the state, which is evidenced in much of earlier European history, and you can see it today in a place like Saudi Arabia. I don't like theocracies. I think the founding fathers struck the right balance: Have a secular government run by people who believe in God.

53 posted on 08/16/2004 5:05:37 PM PDT by wimpycat (My anti-terrorism platform: Nip it! (in the bud))
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To: Skooz
" I have never heard of these people. No one I know would ever conceive of such an absurd idea."

I've seen a number of incidents...most notably the Texas Republican Party, who in their recent convention declared America a "Christian nation". Also, that is the unstated (but obvious) purpose of the posting of articles like this.

"A "state religion" is what the establishment clause is all about. The founders wanted no part of a Church of the United States."

Completely agree. However, there ARE some out there who want to push the idea.

54 posted on 08/16/2004 5:09:08 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: tpaine
I always shudder a bit when I see people seriously claim that our rights are "God given".

I understand your concern, but am actually more worried about our rights being "Man given" or "Government given", then they really can be taken away. The aforementioned one can only be changed by one person, not 6 billion. I guess that is where they got "inalienable".
55 posted on 08/16/2004 5:09:28 PM PDT by microgood
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To: tpaine
I foresee that an insistence upon a 'Creator' that gave us our rights presupposes a scenario where 'He' could take them away.

The Founding Fathers use of 'Creator' is more or less a set of 'code words' which means 'not subject to the whims of government'.

Your religion, or in your case non-religion is of no concern to me. As long as you have no problem with my free exercise, I have no problem with yours.

Compulsion either way is offensive to me.

56 posted on 08/16/2004 5:22:25 PM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: good_fight

There's a difference between a non-sectarian State and a secularist State. You speak of "becoming" a State that has an official religion... there never has been any danger of that since the founding. I'm talking about a State "becoming" actively anti-religious anti-Christian and secularist to the point of exclusion of Christians. That's a danger. Historically we were what we were, not as the libertarians or liberals or whoever (even some Christians) would choose to rewrite who we were in order to bolster their ideology. Those who rewrite history have an agenda. If they want to point to Thomas Jefferson and say "Hey he believed what we do" then they better be prepared to accept the whole man, contradictions and all, not a shallow rewritten caricature of the man. The same goes for any other figure or event in American history.

57 posted on 08/16/2004 5:27:43 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
So for 150 years Americans believed it was the purpose of the United States to convert the world to Christianity? So much so that compulsory religion was established in the constitution? Prove it, then.

I should, rather, ask you to prove this is a secular nation. But it is just as easy to quote Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, who wrote in his 1833 'Commentaries on the Constitution':

"Now, there will probably be found few persons in this, or any other Christian country, who would deliberately contend, that it was unreasonable, or unjust to foster and encourage the Christian religion generally, as a matter of sound policy, as well as of revealed truth. In fact, every American colony, from its foundation down to the revolution, . . . did openly, by the whole course of its laws and institutions, support and sustain, in some form, the Christian religion; and almost invariably gave a peculiar sanction to some of its fundamental doctrines. And this has continued to be the case in some of the states down to the present period, without the slightest suspicion, that it was against the principles of public law, or republican liberty."

So it boils down to who to believe. Do you believe the communist-inspired A.C.L.U. psychopaths, whose 'interpretations' have been used only in recent years for precedent'; or do you believe one of the earliest supreme court justices, who served distinguishedly for 34 years on the bench, and whose writings have been used through most of our nation's history as precedent for constitutional interpretation?

58 posted on 08/16/2004 5:37:20 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
I should, rather, ask you to prove this is a secular nation.

Not a thing you have posted proves that there was a compulsion to be Christian. There may have been a social expectation of Christianity as normal, but we never had religious police in this country as in an Islamic nation.

Did we ever have a Christian Taliban, which made sure you went to Church every Sunday, or you were stoned to death. NO, I thought not.

59 posted on 08/16/2004 5:42:39 PM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Do our FF Christian ethics make the fabric of the nation and its direction Christian. It is a broad subject. I do not think the nation was meant to be a nation of Christians but, I think our laws were based on the ethics of our belief system and traditions. Christian nation can have many meanings to many people. There are probably some on FR who are reporting this thread for abuse as I type. You can not even question without getting flamed. I do think this this is a Christian nation, just not one that needs to flaunt it to feel secure.

60 posted on 08/16/2004 5:43:25 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and Weather are our only news.)
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