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Kerry's Berlins story

Posted on 08/16/2004 5:17:27 PM PDT by Ellen

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To: Ellen

Of course, in 1954 he was looking at Checkpoint Charlie at the very time that the evil Pres. Nixon was saying there weren't any checkpoints. :)


42 posted on 08/16/2004 6:11:50 PM PDT by Ellen
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To: Ellen

interesting history of Germany and Berlin after WWII


http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/history/berlinwall-timeline.htm

May 26, 1952 Border between East and West Germany and between East Germany and West Berlin is closed. Only the border between East and West Berlin is still opened

June 17, 1953 Uprising of East Berlin building workers against the imposition of increased working norms, suppression by Red Army tanks

November 14, 1953 The Western Powers waive the Interzonenpass, the Soviet Union follows but East German citizen need a permission to travel to the West

December 11, 1957 Leaving East Germany without permission is forbidden and violations are prosecuted with prison up to three years

August 13, 1961 The Berlin sectorial border between East and West Berlin is closed, barriers are built


43 posted on 08/16/2004 6:13:45 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: PAR35
PAR35 is absolutely right. I was living in Berlin in '89 when the wall opened. At that time the site of Hitler's Bunker was in the no-man's-land just behind the wall. Before the wall went up, the remains of the dynamited Bunker was strictly off limits to visitors (for fear that it might become some kind of neo-Nazi shrine.) Kerry has once more embroidered the truth.
44 posted on 08/16/2004 6:16:51 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Ellen

Get the author of Harry Potter on the line, I think we have found the adult character for a new series of novels, Harry Kerry.


45 posted on 08/16/2004 6:25:11 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Cream rises to the top, but in a secular culture, so does the slime.)
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To: dwaynestomp
Of course, Hillary's parents were able to name her after an unknown mountain climber years before he climbed everest, so maybe Kerry predicted that the border crossing would be called Checkpoint Charlie 7 years later!

Funny, I was thinking about the exact same comparison over the week-end.

46 posted on 08/16/2004 6:28:20 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier ("We will always remember. We will always be proud." Ronald Reagan)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

No...don't do that. I'm a Cub's fan.


47 posted on 08/16/2004 6:29:16 PM PDT by bluecollarman
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To: Mark
I read about his business- here is a small piece:

Bored as a lawyer in Boston in 1976, the future presidential hopeful opened ``Kilvert & Forbes'' cookie and muffin shop here. It's still here, at 200 Faneuil Hall Marketplace, though Kerry sold it in 1986.

I wonder if he paid emloyees above minimum wage or gave them health insurance.( like he thinks should be done now)

Apparently you haven't heard the whole story, about how he stole the idea (plans, business plan, etc.) from the owner of David's Cookies. Check out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1178236/posts

48 posted on 08/16/2004 6:30:56 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Dutch Boy

There was no way anyone could just waltz across the boarder

I also traveled from West Berlin to East Berlin in 1981 or 1982. I was escorted across the border in a car driven by two Stasi agents and driven to the train station (to travel to Prague). When my husband raised his camera in an attempt to take photos of the guards in the towers, they pointed their weapons directly at us. There was no way we could have just waltzed across the border. I highly doubt a diplomat's kid on a bike could have crossed the border into East Berlin. It is unthinkable.


49 posted on 08/16/2004 6:32:52 PM PDT by RepublicanHippy
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To: lonestar

I lived there the night the wall went up.


50 posted on 08/16/2004 6:36:23 PM PDT by Ga.Lady
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To: Ga.Lady

What was that like? Of course, the wall is in essence just a symbol like our statue of liberty. Freedom existed before we ever had the statue of liberty and lack of freedom existed before the actual wall ever went up. Hmmm, lets see...I'd say lack of freedom began when Marshall decided to kiss some Soviet butt and to give the Soviets a bloc.


51 posted on 08/16/2004 6:41:52 PM PDT by Ellen
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To: Ellen; Radix; The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; ...

The Swift Boat is sinking!
Just took a hit from East Berlin!
Where is the CIA when you need them!


52 posted on 08/16/2004 6:44:37 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It's begining to look a lot like Christmas! Is this an Irving Berlin tune?)
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To: Ellen
I was assuming there was no "Checkpoint Charlie" before the wall went up.

I went through Checkpoint Charlie in 1965 after arriving in East Berlin by train.

53 posted on 08/16/2004 6:47:49 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump to the top


54 posted on 08/16/2004 6:48:08 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: Ellen

For an 11 yr old it was scary. Tanks rolling down the road thru our neighborhood. The phone rings during the night and your dad is gone in minutes headed for the wall. I had some pics but they burned in a fire. If you were from the west visiting relatives in the East and the wall went up..... you were stuck in the East. People would try to escape but were shot..the longer the wall was up they would fortify more and more so less people could escape. It was sad to see and unreal to me how people couldnt leave the country. It was truly an experience I won't forget.


55 posted on 08/16/2004 6:51:22 PM PDT by Ga.Lady
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To: prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; Tamsey; mrs tiggywinkle; EllaMinnow; ...

FYI Ping


56 posted on 08/16/2004 6:51:36 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

"Can it be verified anywhere if Kerry had a passport as a twelve year old?"

I can't speak to the rarified world of the diplomatic corps, but I traveled through Europe in '68-69 with my child and she was on my passport, picture and all.




57 posted on 08/16/2004 6:53:28 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: bluecollarman
No...don't do that. I'm a Cub's fan.

LOL, that's hysterical!

58 posted on 08/16/2004 6:54:22 PM PDT by Radix (Our regularly scheduled Tag Line has been pre-empted by a poor substitute.)
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To: Ellen

The man is delusional. He has had a fantasy all his life about becoming president and instead of doing great things to show that he is capable, he spent all his time making up fantasies.


59 posted on 08/16/2004 6:56:34 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Boazo

L0L! there really is a korean club in Killeen Tx called the "DING DONG DANG" club

and honest to God the is an insurance Co next door called "Suk Won Jo" agency


60 posted on 08/16/2004 6:59:20 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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