Posted on 08/16/2004 5:17:27 PM PDT by Ellen
Wow! What more can I say? That sounds horrible. Wasn't there a bit of a real estate issue also? After the wall came down there was a bit of dispute as to who had property claims. I'm not sure how that worked out.
L0L! there really is a korean club in Killeen Tx called the "DING DONG DANG" club
and honest to God the is an insurance Co next door called "Suk Won Jo" agency
Very interesting! Thanks for posting this.
Oooops
I don't know what things were like back then .. but who gives a 12 yr old their passport to carry around with them???
If it were my kid, I would be afraid they would lose it
Well that's interesting . I had not known that
Even if it where true that adolescent international agent Kerry did slip in to east berlin on this amazing Bicycling recon tale, may I remind him who ended the cold war and brought down the wall?
Hey Kerry keep yappin
I question whether Kerry used his diplomatic passport to get into the East. We had flag cards which allowed us to travel to there without using a diplomatic passport. We did not recognize East Berlin as being part of East Germany, therefore you were not crossing into another country. Berlin was an occupied city with the allies in control. We resisted getting an East German stamp in our passport. The Quadripartite Agreement of 1971 established the so-called Berlin theology with all of the various rules governing the operation of the city.
Kerry's father was an FSO. The legal adviser was really the head of the security for the American Sector. The German police and the rest of the sector security were under the US Mission. The rules governing our status in Berlin were quite complicated.
"Oooops'
Never mind, mylife. It's always good to have a head shaker in the middle of things.
I saw there had been another 'Berlin' story thread and I want to reiterate a point someone else made.
How could Kerry have witnessed firsthand the 'darkness' of Communist East Berlin (or the Russian sector) and then turn into such a Communist sympathizer, which is well documented?
How could he have possibly thought the South Vietnamese would be better off under that regime? (At least Jane Fonda genuinely believed in her cause) Kerry was just promoting Kerry.
I'll tell you how. It's all a bunch of malarky. The man has no ideology other than Kerry, Kerry, Kerry!
LOL I am looking at a pic in this book I have of Russian soldiers at the Brandenburg Gate and believe me , Kerry didnt ride his bike thru these guys. LOL
I surprised that Kerry hasn't recalled, he walked Harlem's streets at midnight too.
This is such a non story. Pre 1961, border crossing between the Berlins was easy. Getting to Berlin was not so.
Hee Hee Undoubtably at the same time as Pres. Nixon was declaring there weren't any people walking the streets of Harlem.
Too funny... I bet the man couldn't tell the truth if there were medals for it ;-)
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The Making Of John Kerry His childhood on the move left him curious about the world. But it also made him a soloist By NANCY GIBBS AND JAMES CARNEY
....In 1954 the family moved again, to Berlin, where as the legal adviser to the U.S. mission, Richard got a longed-for chance to be part of history being made. And John got his first taste of another world. Traveling through communist East Germany, “I actually noticed a very perceptible difference - the darkness, the lack of automobiles, the dark clothes. It just seemed bleak. And I sensed the foreboding unwelcomeness to it.” One day he went so far as to ride his bike through Checkpoint Charlie and into East Berlin to look around and visit Hitler’s bunker. When Richard realized where his son had gone, John recalls, “My dad was not thrilled. He explained to me that I could have [caused] an international incident. I think he took my passport. I think I got grounded - passport grounded.”....
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http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Checkpoint-Charlie
With the construction of the wall in 1961, the Americans erected this checkpoint in the Friedrichstra e. It was named Charlie, following the NATO phonetic alphabet. Checkpoints Alpha and Bravo were at Helmstedt (the autobahn checkpoint passing from West Germany into East Germany) and at the western edge of Berlin where motor traffic left East Germany and entered West Berlin at Dreilinden. During the remainder of the Cold War, Checkpoint Charlie became a synonym for both separation, and - for the East Germans - freedom.
Berlin on a week long tour. While in West Berlin my group was allowed to travel to East Berlin for the day. We had to travel through Check Point Charlie and we were required to wear our dressed greens and have our ID cards. There was no way anyone could just waltz across the boarder. It was heavily guarded with East Germans and their AK's. We were checked closely before we were allowed to cross from both directions. BTW - The East Germans were still shooting defectors at that time.
You also had to go through the Russian guards. It was their sector. East Berlin was not part of East German.
Good grief. After the Bob Kerrey mix-up, I wasn't sure I was ready to read more, LOL!
Uh, Peach......ping!
menat to ping you in #77
LOL. We're getting tired keeping up with all his lies :-)
I started to read this earlier and then got distracted and left the thread. I'm starting to think Kerry is mentally unstable.
Yes, the soviets were afraid that it would be a magnet for neo-nazis. In the unlikely event that Kerry did make a pilgrimage to it (or at least as close to it as he could get) to pay homage to Der Fuhrer, someone needs to ask him if he still has leanings in that direction.
Wonder if he has ever been to Bertegarden or Munich.
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