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GOP: Republicans for Kerry organizing
Bucks County Courier Times ^ | August 17, 2004 4:29 AM | Hilary Bentman

Posted on 08/17/2004 11:55:44 AM PDT by rface

Daryl Renschler said he's going to do something he has not done since 1976 - vote for the Democratic candidate for president.

In the era of Watergate and Vietnam, the lifelong Republican gave his support to Jimmy Carter. Today, nearly three decades later, Renschler finds himself again mistrusting the government and hating what he contends has become a quagmire of a war.

Come November, he'll vote for John Kerry.

"We were misled during the Vietnam War ... and they're misleading us now," said Renschler. "Normally, a war unites a country. This one split it.

"I don't know what we're doing in Iraq. Someone gets you in a mess; you need someone else to clean it up," he said. "Kerry has a better approach to extract us from this mess we're in."

The Solebury resident is part of the recently formed Bucks Republicans for Kerry, which hopes to get people to vote - particularly younger constituents - against George Bush.

"I'm ashamed to be associated with [the Republican Party]," Renschler said.

Across the country, groups are popping up in support of the opposition. And it's not only Republicans for Kerry. There are Democrats for George Bush, too, though that group has not manifested locally. Experts say issues like the war in Iraq and the economy drive voters to Kerry, and gay marriage and abortion push them to Bush.

"It's [one thing] to quietly say, 'I can't do it this time.' To do it more publicly is unusual," said Joan Hulse Thompson, an associate professor of political science at Arcadia University. "People are not just satisfied to vote against [George Bush] but to organize against him. That's a step beyond."

Sue Tinsman is taking that step. The 82-year-old lifelong Republican ticks off her beefs with Bush like clockwork. The war. The loss of international support. The economy. The environment. Education.

"I could go on and on. This is the most important election in our history," said the Solebury resident, who says her choice this year could even strain relations with longtime friends. "I'm a moderate Republican, but I don't think our administration is currently moderate. It's extremely conservative. Kerry is a moderate Democrat. There's not much difference between them and moderate Republicans."

In every election, voters cross party lines. There were Democrats for Richard Nixon and Republicans for George McGovern in 1972 - many of them split over the Vietnam War.

Election 2004 is no exception. According to Clay Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll Institute, the crossover vote this year is about average, between 7 percent to 10 percent for each side. That's based on polls the institute has taken in Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Florida, New Jersey and New York.

"There are not any large numbers yet. It's not heavily organized," Richards said. "It's not as much as the Reagan Democrats [who tended to be blue-collar union members]."

Some experts reason that Democrats will support Bush because they may support the war and they don't want to change the commander-in-chief at a time of continual fighting. But the real catalyst could be gay marriage.

"People are cross-pressured. They want to vote [on] certain issues but can't get it all with one candidate," said Hulse Thompson.

Same-sex marriage could push conservative Democrats, including Catholics and religious black men, to Bush's side, she said. Bush favors a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, while Kerry opposes same-sex marriage, but supports civil unions.

"People get confused on it," said Frank Colon, a political science professor at Lehigh University. Some, said Colon, think Kerry favors gay marriage, partially because his home state is Massachusetts, the first to issue licenses to gay couples.

Ted Morgan, also a professor of political science at Lehigh, says he's not surprised a Republican group for Kerry would crop up in Bucks County.

"It's exactly where I expect it to come from. It's an affluent area. There are old-money Republicans, and most are alienated by Bush. Kerry doesn't freak them out. He's one of them," he said. "Bucks is kind of interesting. It's kind of progressive. The religious right being in politics scares them. They're more libertarian."

Bucks County has always been a stronghold of Republicans. As of Aug. 7, there were 201,870 registered Republicans and 164,551 registered Democrats in the county. But the Democratic candidates at the top of the ticket in major elections in recent years have carried Bucks. Both Bill Clinton and Al Gore did it, as did Ed Rendell in his gubernatorial bid in 2002.

"Republicans, too, rallied around Rendell, and maybe that's being tapped to some degree [now]," said Colon. "Rendell is not a great coattail, but he may have given [Republican voters] pause to think, 'Maybe I'm going to continue in this direction.' In Bucks, there's a stronger independent group than people think."

Joseph Duffy, a Republican from Solebury, said he intends to vote Democrat in November.

"Kerry is a mixed-up fellow," he said. "But he's a far better choice than Bush."

Hilary Bentman can be reached at 215-538-6380 or hbentman@phillyBurbs.com


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: antiwarright; bush; gop; kerry; seeya
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I never heard of a "lifelong Republican" voting for Carter and now for Kerry. Pretty lame cover for this Democrat operative - but pretty funny to see it actually in print!
1 posted on 08/17/2004 11:55:47 AM PDT by rface
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To: rface

Happens every election. Nothing new here.


2 posted on 08/17/2004 11:57:36 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: rface

I laughed my arse off when I read this article. It happens every election cycle that "lifelong _________" vote for the other guy. I can't believe the paper considered it "newsworthy".


3 posted on 08/17/2004 11:58:21 AM PDT by CanisRex (Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil. --Lazarus Long)
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To: rface

This must be some Dim's idea of comedy...


4 posted on 08/17/2004 11:58:25 AM PDT by BillyCrockett
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To: rface
Normally a war unites a country

Not since WWII my friend. The LEFT divides this country.......and sophmoric GOP turncoats, not the RIGHT.

5 posted on 08/17/2004 11:58:58 AM PDT by PISANO (NEVER FORGET 911 !!!!)
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To: rface

I guarantee there are lot more Democrats who are going to vote for Bush than Republican voting for Kerry.


6 posted on 08/17/2004 11:59:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: rface

"I'm a moderate Republican, but I don't think our administration is currently moderate. It's extremely conservative. Kerry is a moderate Democrat. There's not much difference between them and moderate Republicans."


This indicates a VERY confused man, if Kerry is a moderate, then W. must be Genghis Khan reincarnated.


7 posted on 08/17/2004 12:00:10 PM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: rface

Baloney! These turkeys are RINOs!


8 posted on 08/17/2004 12:00:18 PM PDT by RexBeach (Before God makes you greedy, he makes you stupid.)
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To: rface

Funny how these "lifelong" republicans can recite the entire Moveon mantra without taking a breath.


9 posted on 08/17/2004 12:00:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Here, bite down on this.)
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To: rface

Lot of sick suckers in the United States, let me tell you!


10 posted on 08/17/2004 12:01:02 PM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: gilliam

whatta bull$hit story.... no 'republican' in his/her right mind would vote for Verry/Leftwards...


11 posted on 08/17/2004 12:01:15 PM PDT by fhlh (polls are for topless dancers)
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To: rface

I have, actually. The Carter bit, at least.

Lotta people were really mad at Ford at the time.


12 posted on 08/17/2004 12:01:21 PM PDT by horatio
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To: rface

Hilary BentOne? There must be a connection to the Clinton Gang.


13 posted on 08/17/2004 12:01:42 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: rface
"People get confused on it," said Frank Colon, a political science professor at Lehigh University. Some, said Colon, think Kerry favors gay marriage, partially because his home state is Massachusetts, the first to issue licenses to gay couples.

It's the media that are confused. Kerry supports gay marriage by calling it civil unions. It's a distinction without a difference. Most people get that.

14 posted on 08/17/2004 12:02:34 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: rface

What a confused person - doesn't seem to know his own mind.


15 posted on 08/17/2004 12:03:42 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: rface

I just moved to Bucks County and every single person I have met, including the grocery clerk and the landscaper, has told me they are voting for President Bush! In weeks of house hunting I saw ONE Kerry sign in a yard, and dozens of Bush-Cheney signs. The antics of the Democrat governor across the river in New Jersey have not helped Mr. Kerry over here either. Gov Rendell has been conspicuously silent about it all.


16 posted on 08/17/2004 12:03:58 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Proud to be a Reagan Alumna!)
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www.opensecrets.org is the site I usually use to look up political donors - but it is not working now.

==>...Anyone tell me another place I can go to to find who donates to political candidates??????

17 posted on 08/17/2004 12:03:58 PM PDT by rface (Ashland, Missouri - monthly donor - bad speller)
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To: rface
If you're going to have people pretend that they are lifelonbg Republicans for an article, they might at least try to say believable things.
18 posted on 08/17/2004 12:04:10 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: rface

I'm a lifelong democrat who is going to vote for bush. Really. John Kerry is just too liberal for me.

Why won't the press interview me???


19 posted on 08/17/2004 12:04:10 PM PDT by flashbunny (Kerry helped move jobs to china - flashbunny.org/commentary/kerryoutsourced.html)
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To: RexBeach
Baloney! These turkeys are RINOs!

Nah, they're most likely Democrats just claiming to be Republicans. They're referred to on talk radio as "seminar callers".

"I've always voted Republican/I voted for Bush in 2000 BUT I won't vote Republican/For Bush because [Insert DNC talking points]".

20 posted on 08/17/2004 12:04:10 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (I Annoy Buchananites)
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To: RipSawyer
This indicates a VERY confused man, if Kerry is a moderate, then W. must be Genghis Khan reincarnated.

Depends... I like to think of myself as fiscally conservative and you can imagine in that respect Bush has a been a huge failure. Upsetting to no end really.
21 posted on 08/17/2004 12:04:42 PM PDT by Bulwark
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To: rface

Lifelong RATs pretending to be disgruntled Republicans is nothing new. Happens every election, and the RAT media plays along.


22 posted on 08/17/2004 12:04:58 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: CanisRex

Aside from Zed Miller and that other guy who just switched can you name a Democrat who is going to vote for the President? One that you personally know? No? I would really be concerned about this anecdotal evidence then.


23 posted on 08/17/2004 12:05:13 PM PDT by Archangelsk (We survived Charley.)
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To: horatio
Lotta people were really mad at Ford at the time.

Me included, for his stupid comment that the Poles weren't dominated by the Soviets. I think that one comment alone cost him the election.

24 posted on 08/17/2004 12:05:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: rface

They're just Republicans who watch too much CNN and not enough Fox News. Move along please, nothing to see here.


25 posted on 08/17/2004 12:06:23 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: gilliam

Ah, but to the media, this is HUGE! For a Dem to crossover to the republican side is not uncommon. But for a conservative to become a liberal!?!?!?!?! This is the Dems nocturnal emission.


26 posted on 08/17/2004 12:06:43 PM PDT by rintense (Results matter.)
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To: Archangelsk

http://democrats4bush.com/demcomments.shtml


27 posted on 08/17/2004 12:09:26 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Fabrizio Quattrocchi: "Adesso vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano")
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To: All
Please go to the website: www.hughhewitt.com

Hugh has posted today a May 8, 2000 article from U.S. News & World Report by Kevin Whitelaw. "Another whopper", Hewitt calls it.

Here's how it starts: Sen. John Kerry made his first forays into Cambodia during the Vietnam War as a Navy lieutenant on clandestine missions to deliver weapons to anticommunist forces. This is a must read. Don't miss it! This is becoming a stone rolling down a hill. You can't stop it.

28 posted on 08/17/2004 12:09:41 PM PDT by Max7
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To: rintense

I don't think this is a conservative becoming a liberal. This is a democrat who registered as a republican saying he's voting for a democrat. STOP THE PRESSES!!!


29 posted on 08/17/2004 12:10:14 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: Bulwark

"Depends... I like to think of myself as fiscally conservative and you can imagine in that respect Bush has a been a huge failure. Upsetting to no end really."

I understand that, they are all too liberal for me but if he thinks Kerry is a moderate, who could possibly be a liberal in his eyes?


30 posted on 08/17/2004 12:10:46 PM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: rface
... the lifelong Republican gave his support to Jimmy Carter

Carter was the worst President in my lifetime. I certainly wouldn't brag about voting for him.

... Kerry has a better approach to extract us from this mess we're in.

He does? Has he told anyone yet?

31 posted on 08/17/2004 12:10:51 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: rface
They need a more accurate headline:

Idiot longs for Carter years, endorses Kerry


32 posted on 08/17/2004 12:11:06 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: rintense

I don't see too many republicans proudly endorsing John Kerry. However there are notable democrats endorsing George Bush.


33 posted on 08/17/2004 12:11:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Here, bite down on this.)
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To: rface

"People are cross-pressured. They want to vote [on] certain issues but can't get it all with one candidate," said Hulse Thompson.

They never will either . All national elections are about voting for the lesser Ms. Thompson .


34 posted on 08/17/2004 12:12:05 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Max7
Must edit & to clarify: Another Kerry whopper.
35 posted on 08/17/2004 12:12:44 PM PDT by Max7
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To: rface

I think we should start "Democrats for Bush"....After all, I voted for Reagan and he was a Democrat at one point of his life.


36 posted on 08/17/2004 12:12:55 PM PDT by MHT
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To: rface
Some, said Colon, think Kerry favors gay marriage, partially because his home state is Massachusetts, the first to issue licenses to gay couples.

Kerry doesn't have the stones to endorse gay "marriage," but he is on record as opposing doing anything to stop it. He, Kennedy and others signed a letter some years ago opposing an amendment to the Massachusetts state constitution that would have outlawed gay marriage.

Bottom line: Kerry supports gay marriage by default because he supports letting the courts decide the issue, while he and other liberal legislators duck it.

I have more respect for Barney Frank on this issue than Kerry. At least Barney Frank has a position on it (no pun whatsoever intended)

37 posted on 08/17/2004 12:14:24 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("You bet we might have." John Kerry on whether he would have gone to war in Iraq)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Its that way in Montco and NE Philly too. I have yet to see a Kerry sign anywhere in the Metro area besides a few bumper stickers. Lots of Bush signs though.


38 posted on 08/17/2004 12:15:12 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: rface

You'll never see an interview from someone who is unhappy about Bush because he's not whacking the Islamic fascists nearly hard enough (cases in point - Fallujah, Abu Gharib, Norman Mineta) but I bet there are several millions who feel that way.


39 posted on 08/17/2004 12:16:45 PM PDT by Charlotte Corday (I don't burn the flag because I can. I will burn the flag if I can't.)
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To: fhlh

No AMERICAN in their right mind would vote for Kerry.

So they dont like Bush, what the hell, there are a lot of thing I dont like about Bush either. But My God, look at what he is running against.

A pro-communist, Liar,a man who makes up stories of Cambodia out of whole cloth, a gigolo, a man who has voted against our military every chance he got,A man who spent 19 years in Congress without making 77% of the votes.WAKE UP. Look at his clowns record during and after Viet nam. Do you really believe the Swift boat veterans put their lives and reputations on the line just because they dont like Kerry? They know what is at stake here.our country is at stake.

What do I care about Europeans who dont like us, they formed a coalition of Euro's to destroy us and our economy and you think they are our allies. Wake up.


40 posted on 08/17/2004 12:17:17 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: RipSawyer
I understand that, they are all too liberal for me but if he thinks Kerry is a moderate, who could possibly be a liberal in his eyes?

The disturbing possibility is that Kerry could do much better with the budget than Bush has. It pains me to no end to admit that we had a surplus with Klinton, but are massively in the hole now. You can not believe how bad it hurts to say that!
41 posted on 08/17/2004 12:17:42 PM PDT by Bulwark
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To: rface
"Kerry has a better approach to extract us from this mess we're in."

And that would be..?

42 posted on 08/17/2004 12:19:52 PM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: rface
Daryl Renschler said he's going to do something he has not done since 1976 - vote for the Democratic candidate for president.

Looks like Moby's goon squad isn't wasting any time...and the "unbiased" (sic) Leftist media is naturally gobbling up these turds like they were Belgian chocolates...

43 posted on 08/17/2004 12:20:53 PM PDT by Prime Choice (I remember when John Kerry last lied to us. It is seared into my mind.)
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To: rface

"Sue Tinsman is taking that step. The 82-year-old lifelong Republican ticks off her beefs with Bush like clockwork. The war. The loss of international support. The economy. The environment. Education. "

Poor dear old Sue. Gets her news from the lamestream media and actually believes it!!

4.8% economic growth last year - how awful!
"education" meaning what? No Child Left Behind and large increases in Fed govt spending, standards for reading - not enough? too much?

"The war" killing or captured 2/3rds of al qaeda and liberating 50 million people is not enough for her?
dos she really think we'd be better off with the taliban still in afghanistan and saddam in Iraq?


etc.


44 posted on 08/17/2004 12:22:23 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: rface
About 10% defect each year. I expect the blue collar dems to be more apt to defect to Bush, and rich republicans to defect to Kerry.

It's the same reason a poll recently has Oakland County at 60% for Kerry and Macomb 60% for Bush. Oakland is more stereotypical GOP and Macomb stereotypical Democrat.

45 posted on 08/17/2004 12:22:58 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry." - Swift Boat Veterans for Truth)
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To: rface
"I'm ashamed to be associated with [the Republican Party]," Renschler said.

That's funny...as a Republican I'd be ashamed to be associated with Renschler. Anyway, Zell Miller trumps Renschler every time!

46 posted on 08/17/2004 12:24:03 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Coop

His secret plan; people love secrets!


47 posted on 08/17/2004 12:24:56 PM PDT by Howlin (Kerry being called a war hero is "a colloquialism.")
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To: rface
News Meat is one site to look up contributors.
48 posted on 08/17/2004 12:26:10 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: RexBeach
Baloney! These turkeys are RINOs!

And people wonder how we get stuck with the Arlen Spectres, Linc Chaffee's and Olympia Snow's of the world.

49 posted on 08/17/2004 12:26:24 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: rface

This will just get rid of another baby boomer hippie trying to relive the late 60's and early 70's from the GOP. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Oh...and STAY OUT!


50 posted on 08/17/2004 12:26:42 PM PDT by Solson ("Ugly knows ugly though." - WorkingClassFilth)
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