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Woman fired for eating bacon (Offending Muslims a Termination Offense in Orlando)
Washington Times ^ | Aug 16, 2004 | Inside the Beltway--John McCaslin

Posted on 08/17/2004 2:32:06 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor

    Hold the bacon


    Apart from Hurricane Charley, we've been following a most intriguing story out of Orlando, Fla., where a woman says she was fired from her job because she ate a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich at work, offending Muslim employees.


    According to the Orlando Sentinel, Lina Morales has filed a religious-discrimination lawsuit against Rising Star Telecommunications, saying she lost her administrative position because she violated a policy banning pork and pork products from the workplace.


    She says the rule "constitutes religious discrimination because it is based in Islamic law for the benefit of some Muslim employees who were offended by the presence of pork -- and at the expense of non-Muslims such as Morales, who is Catholic," explains the newspaper.


    "I felt I was being discriminated against because I was not Muslim. I wasn't trying to make somebody else eat it," the woman reasons.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bacon; getagrip; islam; mccaslin; mmmmmbacon; muslimamericans; muslims; religionofpeace; sanspork; workplace
I was hearing about this on talk radio while I was driving. I'd love to hear how this turns out. Can anybody imagine what would happen if a business prohibited something in the workplace because it was offensive to Catholics, then fired somebody for violating the order?
1 posted on 08/17/2004 2:32:14 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
Here.
2 posted on 08/17/2004 2:33:45 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: SauronOfMordor

A company should be allowed to make its own rules.

That being said, if a Muslim was fired for sacrificing a goat on company time and property, and got fired, I'm sure the outrage from the left would be defeaning.


3 posted on 08/17/2004 2:33:52 PM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Didn't this happen last month?

Or am I having deja` vu all over again?


4 posted on 08/17/2004 2:40:23 PM PDT by harrycarey
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To: Guillermo
"That being said, if a Muslim was fired for sacrificing a goat on company time and property, and got fired, I'm sure the outrage from the left would be defeaning."

Or if a Muslim was to marry a 9-year-old girl...

5 posted on 08/17/2004 2:40:39 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: SauronOfMordor

But bacon is delicious....


6 posted on 08/17/2004 2:41:30 PM PDT by brewcrew
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To: SauronOfMordor

The Moslem should not be forced to eat pork, but their preventing other people from doing so is simply ridiculous.


7 posted on 08/17/2004 2:43:31 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: SauronOfMordor
So does that mean any business can fire Muslims for violating a "no turban" rule? Yeah, like the courts would uphold that...

This politically-correct crap has got to go!

8 posted on 08/17/2004 2:44:29 PM PDT by Prime Choice (I remember when John Kerry last lied to us. It is seared into my mind.)
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To: Redbob

Didn't the Prophet (may peace be upon him) marry a girl when she was 7 and consumate it when she was 9 (and he was 54)?


9 posted on 08/17/2004 2:48:08 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Guillermo; Redbob

If a guy rushed into the office you work and shot the woman in the next cubicle it would be a heinous crime. Unless it's an "honor killing". Then it's just a cultural quirk. < sarc off >


10 posted on 08/17/2004 2:48:17 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (http://www.numbersusa.com makes a difference!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

From the article I was reading on this the other day, the problem was not because she ate pork, but because she didn't listen after being twice asked not to cook pork in the company microwave where muslim employees prepared their food.

This seems two different issues to me. In any case, I think some clarification is needed here of exactly what happened.


11 posted on 08/17/2004 2:51:13 PM PDT by I still care (Have you heard about the Democrat cocktail? It's ketchup with a chaser.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
how about the fact that 'they' use there left hand for what i use TP for. now,seems to me, shouldn't i be a Little PO if i have to use something they have used their handS on???
12 posted on 08/17/2004 2:52:21 PM PDT by camas
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To: Unam Sanctam
but their preventing other people from doing so is simply ridiculous.

They obviously look at is as a Food Jihad.

13 posted on 08/17/2004 2:54:04 PM PDT by ErnBatavia ("Dork"; a 60's term for a 60's kinda guy: JFK)
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To: Guillermo

"A company should be allowed to make its own rules."

Not exclusively.


14 posted on 08/17/2004 2:56:13 PM PDT by beelzepug
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To: Guillermo
The company is incorporated, so it has to abide by federal and state rules and regulations WRT these things.

I predict the woman wins this one.

15 posted on 08/17/2004 2:58:02 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Guillermo
"A company should be allowed to make its own rules."

Really? What if a company had a rule prohibiting crosses because they were offensive to Muslims? What if the company had rules against prayer mats because they offended Catholics?

What if a company had rules prohibiting all non Muslims from working there because they were offensive to Muslims? What if a company had rules prohibiting blacks from working for them because they offended white supremacists?

Owners used to have the freedom to run their business however they saw fit, but those days are gone. So who decides who has to be tolerant of what? You?...the Muslims?

Why is it the majority has to be tolerant of minorities but minorities don't have to be tolerant of the majority?

The answer is, everyone has to be tolerant of everyone. Unless the court is completely hypocritical, this lady will win a big religious discrimination suit against this company.
16 posted on 08/17/2004 3:01:44 PM PDT by monday
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To: I still care
"From the article I was reading on this the other day, the problem was not because she ate pork, but because she didn't listen after being twice asked not to cook pork in the company microwave where muslim employees prepared their food."

Thanks for the clarification. It sounds to me like the Muslim employees needed to buy their own microwave in that case. If she cooked pork in their microwave then I could see where the company might have a point, but a "company" microwave must tolerate all sorts of cuisine or it is a racist and intolerant microwave.
17 posted on 08/17/2004 3:07:24 PM PDT by monday
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To: monday
Really? What if a company had a rule prohibiting crosses because they were offensive to Muslims? What if the company had rules against prayer mats because they offended Catholics?

They should have the right to do the above, as it is THEIR company.

What if a company had rules prohibiting all non Muslims from working there because they were offensive to Muslims? What if a company had rules prohibiting blacks from working for them because they offended white supremacists?

All the above should be OK as well, as it is THEIR company. No one has the right not to be offended.

So who decides who has to be tolerant of what

The owners

Why is it the majority has to be tolerant of minorities but minorities don't have to be tolerant of the majority?

Yeah, that sucks that that's the case. No one should be forced to tolerate another on their own private property.

18 posted on 08/17/2004 3:07:48 PM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
The firm in question Rising Star Telecommunications appears to be owned by a Black Muslim. The management team has deleted their bios from the website, but on another thread a link to the archive was posted.

For some reason, having a stridently Muslim telecom/engineering/Internet company operating in the US is "interesting" to me. Their Current project is:

Current Projects

 

  • The Oasis Al Iman client: Capitol Performance International, Inc. (IBC) The British Virgin Islands and Rising Star Telecommunications, Inc.
  • Rising Star is currently supervising a large scale complex telecommunication project that involves setting up an Application Service Provider that provides unique features inculding:
    • Filtered Access to the World Wide Web
    • Virtual Web
    • E-Store Web Casting access to Flat Electronic Data Interface (FEDI)
  • Additionally, in support of FEDI, RSTI is supervising the building of state-of-the-art telecommunications, teleconferencing facilities and television studios globally.
  • The engineering challenge involves multi-point secure satellite and ground communication systems with complete redundancy and the ability to prevent and avoid the hazzards of fraudulent access, misuse, sedition, pornography, elicit solicitations, corporate espionage and intrusion, hostile enviormental acts, war, weather and natural disasters

19 posted on 08/17/2004 3:15:59 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: savedbygrace
"The company is incorporated, so it has to abide by federal and state rules and regulations"

Let's analyze your reasoning.

A newspaper is "incorporated."

A "federal and state rules and regulations" forbids the incorporated newspaper disparaging or disagreeing with legislators in articles or editorials.

According to you the "corporation" has to abide by those "rules and regulations."

What happen to Amendment I? Where in the incorporation papers from the state of incorporation does it state you, as a stockholder/property owner of the incorporation, "forfeit" constitutionally protected rights?

20 posted on 08/17/2004 3:50:00 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: SauronOfMordor

Fired for eating bacon? Heck, that's nothing. I was drummed out of the Cub Scouts for eating brownies!


21 posted on 08/17/2004 4:10:10 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: Unam Sanctam
The Moslem should not be forced to eat pork...

Actually, I have been re-thinking this premise lately, as I think there could be some genuinely salubrious effects if we were to adopt precisely the opposite policy...

For example, an FDA rule that all processed foods manufactured for consumption in the USA must include at least trace amounts of pork or pork fat.

I for one would support this.

22 posted on 08/17/2004 4:11:28 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Unam Sanctam
The Moslem should not be forced to eat pork...

Actually, I have been re-thinking this premise lately, as I think there could be some genuinely salubrious effects if we were to adopt precisely the opposite policy...

For example, an FDA rule that all processed foods manufactured for consumption in the USA must include at least trace amounts of pork or pork fat.

I for one would support this.

23 posted on 08/17/2004 4:11:39 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

How were they? ;>)


24 posted on 08/17/2004 4:12:30 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Fired for eating bacon? Heck, that's nothing. I was drummed out of the Cub Scouts for eating brownies!

LOL

25 posted on 08/17/2004 4:21:30 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Here in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, Muslim check out girls working in the supermarkets bag the pork, risking the usual leakage of fluids from the package as the customer must endure.

I suppose it is not of a high enough profile to complain about ....yet.


26 posted on 08/17/2004 4:25:17 PM PDT by Solamente
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To: monday
"From the article I was reading on this the other day, the problem was not because she ate pork, but because she didn't listen after being twice asked not to cook pork in the company microwave where muslim employees prepared their food."

Tough Noogies. What happens if a Jew used the microwave? That's where this is heading. The tail is wagging the dog.

YOU conform to OUR culture. No Jew that I know of has complained about something like this nor have I heard a Christian complain about Catholics cooking fish on Fridays. What the Hell is the matter with these people? Oh yeah, the owner of this outfit is a Muslim and has imported all the Old World biases here and wants us to conform to his biases.

27 posted on 08/17/2004 4:49:33 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: tahiti
No, incorporation means the company gains certain tax and liability advantages in exchange for whatever the state says they have to do. OK, I'm exaggerating, but that is the theory. When a company incorporates, it is no longer a totally private company. The State dictates in certain areas.

Same thing holds for churches that incorporate, BTW.

If the piper pays ya, then at some point ya gotta pay the piper.

BTW, your example is really lame. Sheesh, if you really wanted to sex it up, you could have made the law require the company to hold public seances every Friday. Come on, where's your originality?

Again I say, the woman wins. (The key idea is: accommodation.)

28 posted on 08/17/2004 4:54:46 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Oatka

If the company was Orthodox Jews and you insisted on cooking pork in the one cafeteria microwave, would they put up with that ?

No, they would not.


29 posted on 08/17/2004 6:28:11 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Mr. Lucky
Didn't the Prophet (may peace be upon him) marry a girl when she was 7 and consumate it when she was 9 (and he was 54)?

No...

She was six, not seven.

30 posted on 08/17/2004 6:57:27 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Technogeeb

Yuk.


31 posted on 08/18/2004 7:10:32 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Sam the Sham
"If the company was Orthodox Jews and you insisted on cooking pork in the one cafeteria microwave, would they put up with that ? "

They would have to. Intolerance in the workplace is not tolerated in todays PC environment. What this Muslim company is going to have to do is provide a separate microwave for cooking pork. The same as an orthodox Jewish company would have to do.
32 posted on 08/18/2004 10:23:40 AM PDT by monday
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Were Jerry Lee Lewis and Woody Allen in your troupe?


33 posted on 08/18/2004 10:32:03 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (<A HREF=http://www.michaelmoore.com>stupid blob</A>)
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To: Guillermo
you said: "All the above should be OK as well, as it is THEIR company."

Thats not the way it works. If you discriminate against anyone for reasons of race, religion, or sex, you will be fined and sued until you have no money left.

You said: " No one has the right not to be offended."

lol, I think everyone has the right "not to be offended". Are you sure thats what you meant? I am rarely offended by others, and I never even considered that I might not have that right?
34 posted on 08/18/2004 10:32:17 AM PDT by monday
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To: RightWingAtheist
Were Jerry Lee Lewis and Woody Allen in your troupe?

No, but Jim McGreevy was. He liked his brownies with nuts.

35 posted on 08/18/2004 11:14:59 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: Unam Sanctam
If they eat pork do they go poof? hmmm.
36 posted on 08/18/2004 11:16:33 AM PDT by snooker
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To: monday

I d not agree with anti-discrimination laws.

That's exactly what I mean. NO ONE should have the right not to be offended.

If you think everyone has the right "not to be offended," then you are anti-freedom.


37 posted on 08/18/2004 11:39:16 AM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: Guillermo
"That's exactly what I mean. NO ONE should have the right not to be offended."

I think I know what you mean. It is a simple misunderstanding. You mean no one should have "the right to PROHIBIT OTHERS from offending them". A direct reading of what you said, means that you think that, "everyone should HAVE TO be offended" by people, even if they are not. Clearly this is not the case.

As it turns out, I agree with you. So why do you propose that this company is right in prohibiting this woman from offending her Muslim coworkers by cooking pork? This is America, and people have to tolerate others even though these people may offend them.

I know you don't believe in anti discrimination laws, and I agree with you there as well. People should be free to associate with whoever they like. Unfortunately that right has been infringed in the workplace and employers are forced to hire people they may not want to hire. This is reality. Saying you don't agree with them doesn't make them go away.

Because they do exist, the Muslims in this woman's office must tolerate her, and her customs, and her company cannot fire her. Do you understand now?
38 posted on 08/18/2004 1:16:58 PM PDT by monday
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To: Mr. Lucky

"Didn't the Prophet (may peace be upon him) marry a girl when she was 7 and consumate it when she was 9 (and he was 54)?"

I think that was Woody Allen.


39 posted on 08/18/2004 1:19:03 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: monday

I don't think the company discriminated against her because she was not a Mohammedan (as they probably knew that when tehy hired her).

She was fired for breaking a company policy.

I side with the company.


40 posted on 08/18/2004 1:25:34 PM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: monday
Thanks for the clarification. It sounds to me like the Muslim employees needed to buy their own microwave in that case. If she cooked pork in their microwave then I could see where the company might have a point, but a "company" microwave must tolerate all sorts of cuisine or it is a racist and intolerant microwave.

LOL. Reminds me of a friend who was having a big family cook-out. At the last minute as people started arriving, her old beat-up gas grill fell apart. She went to the next door neighbors to borrow their's, (a brand new grill) and she said they seemed reluctant at first but then agreed to let her have it.

Only when she was done and was returning the grill did she discover why they were reluctant to let her borrow it. They were an Orthodox Jewish family who kept strict Kosher (she knew they were Jewish but didn't think of the Kosher part.) Instead of giving the "pork laden" grill back to them, she went out and bought them a nice new grill and offered her apologies. All was well.

Sounds like this woman in Orlando wasn't fired for eating bacon, but for refusing (even after having it explained to her) to show some level of respect for other's religious beliefs. It also sounds like they need more than one microwave in their mess area, be it company or personal. There is nothing wrong with making these small accomodations to other's faiths.

41 posted on 08/18/2004 1:39:07 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

What about Cheese.


42 posted on 08/18/2004 1:41:38 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Mr. Lucky
It's a numerology thingie, 7X9 = Pedophilia
43 posted on 08/18/2004 1:42:44 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: SauronOfMordor

Everytime we fire up the George Foreman grill to make BLTs for Lunch the Jewish guys across the hall head over for a sandwich.


44 posted on 08/18/2004 1:43:59 PM PDT by handy (Leahy you, you Clymer!)
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To: handy

You fire up the George Foreman grill in your office?


45 posted on 08/18/2004 1:45:43 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: SauronOfMordor
Hmmmmm... Al Jazeera West? Catholic employee fired after lunch? Who replaced her (i.e., is this company an equal opportunity employer)? Arm the investigators with Vienna sausage and tough questions.
46 posted on 08/18/2004 2:01:13 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: Oatka

You quoted 'I still care' in your post, not me.


47 posted on 08/18/2004 2:11:53 PM PDT by monday
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To: Sam the Sham
If the company was Orthodox Jews and you insisted on cooking pork in the one cafeteria microwave, would they put up with that ?
No, they would not.

Where have they done so? I haven't heard of any. Most likely, like the rest of us, they'd offer a solution like Post #17 did - get a seperate microwave.

The fact that the bozo that owns the place is a muslim, according to #19, indicates what's in store for anybody once they get on top - "My way or the highway" and tolerance be damned!

48 posted on 08/18/2004 3:33:11 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: monday
You quoted 'I still care' in your post, not me.

Sorry. Fat Fingers.

Upon reflection, doesn't this whole thing remind you of the Fairy Tale Princess who could feel a pea under 17 mattresses? For crying out loud, most dishes are covered when cooked to prevent splatter, so where is the "defilement" except in the users' minds? Must the workplace be pork-free? What about discriminating noses being "offended" by the aroma? Religious foppery, IMHO.

I suspect that if the situation was reversed, the Christian or Jewish employer would be FORCED to get another microwave.

49 posted on 08/18/2004 3:45:36 PM PDT by Oatka
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