Tehran threatens Israeli facilities (If Bushehr is bombed, Iran will bomb Israel's Dimona reactor)

Sydney Morning Herald ^ | August 19, 2004

[malakhi]

Have they beaten anyone in say the last ten centuries?

The Algerians did beat the French.

[b4its2late]

Iran is kidding, right?

[Uncle Jaque]

The last I knew the IAF was kicking the USAF's afterburners out in wargame dogfights, despite relatively privitive technology.
Do you know of any other Air Force on or over this Planet who can do that?

The Iranian "Air Farce"?

Ja; right!

After Israel smacks Iran down, I hope they don't give it back to the Mooslims like they did after the '67 affair.

So the UN will whizzle and moan; what are they gonna do; nuke Israel?

I've gotta differ on reccomendations to give Iran a "glass bowl in the desert" treatment, as it seems that a lot of Iranians are getting pretty sick of the Iatollah's rule and are quite receptive of the concept of regime change from within.

I don't think it would be in anyone's interest to nuke a bunch of potential allies along with the Islammonazi Lullus who are oppressing them as much as they are threatening the rest of the World, really.

Perhaps if Israel could help the coallition to support said internal regime change, a lot of expense, bloodshed, and international angst might be avoided.

[wattsmag2]

Tehran - Mushroom Cloud - Hole!

[ZeitgeistSurfer]

Israel will destroy the nuke plant in coordination with an uprising against the mullahs.

Looks like November and December are going to be very exciting months this year.

[JimRed]

The theory of Mutually Assured Destruction will prevent a nuclear war between Iran and Israel.

Dealing with "normal" people, you're right. But the Iranian leadership of Islamokazis are not normal; they love their martyrdom, and what better way than a flash of glory and their 72 virgins?

[Atlantic Friend]

Missiles could do it - at least, theoretically. I don't know the CEP factor for their newest missile, but a missile does not need to score a direct hit to destroy a research facility, especially a nuclear one. So it would all depend on ABM interception, which is not automatic even with advanced systems.

[chudogg]

We could detect and intercept a missile launch in Iraq before it gets anywhere near Israel. If Israel made a surprise attack we would be on a high alert from a counter attack from Iran.

Even if it goes Nuclear the fallout we be over mostly Iraqi and Iranian territory. Our forces could throw on MOPP gear and leave the contaminated areas before it hits the ground, and Iran could prepare for a hurting...

Damn Iraq was a good strategy.

[TheDon]

Uh...you don't think the Russians should take some of that blame? You know, the guys building the reactor.

[Pylot]

I would bet that the Israeli's wipe out the Iranian nuclear weapons fuel creation facility before it can come online.

What happens after that is anyones guess.

If the Iranians were stupid enough to hit Dimona, I think there is a good chance of a massive escalation by the Israeli's and that we would not hear from anyone in Iran for a long time.

[cyborg]

http://www.kingdomofyah.com/contactus.htm

[Gefreiter]

But wait a minute. Isn't all of Israel actually Arab land, according to the islamo-rhetoric?

So if Iran did pop a nuke on Israel, whether at Dimona or anywhere else, wouldn't Iran be destroying land that that is Arab/Islamic? How would that square with the poor downtrodden Palis?

And what would the repercussions be on the US, as far as fallout goes? Does anybody have a clue about the yields of Iranian or Israeli weapons, and whether their use could affect the US?

[Rutles4Ever]

Have to agree with you.

[chilepepper]

err, they meant they will try to bomb Dimona...

[RightWhale]

fallout

Thousands of nukes have been tested, many of them very large. The entire planet has been covered in fallout. So what?

[sukhoi-30mki]

"The last I knew the IAF was kicking the USAF's afterburners out in wargame dogfights, despite relatively privitive technology"


Actually The Israelis invest far far more in technology(relative to the total size of their forces) than even the US.The first modern airwar was the 6 sixday conflict of 67 & the 1st Information war where UAVs,AWACs & a lot of revolutionary systems was used in coordination was the 82 airwar with Syria over the Bekaa valley of Lebanon,where over 85 Syrian jets were downed for the loss of a single Israeli A-4(down to AAA).Israeli UAVs were used during the 1st Gulf war where systems like the Predator were on the drawing board.Their Python-4 missile(which is said to be in Indian service as well) which entered service in the early 90s has many features ,which the US airforce will only now have with the AIM-9X.Same goes for their AGM-142 popeye cruise missile which is carried by US B-52s & its lightweight variant,the Popeye lite.

PS-Israel's sub launched cruise missile is called the Popeye turbo & is said to have features of the Popeye AGM & in all possibility can carry a nuke warhead to over 350kms.It was tested off the Indian & Sri Lankan coasts,giving credibility to reports that there was Indian involvement in the project & may well be sold to them.

[TXnMA]

One of these for the containment vessel -- to turn it inside-out and to distribute the reactor and its contents across the Bushehr site:

GBU-32

JDAM 1,000lb bomb. Two versions are available: the GBU-32(V)1/B is based on the 1,000lb Mk.83 warhead, and the GBU-32(V)3/B is based on the 1,000lb BLU-110 penetrator warhead.

Advanced Unitary Penetrator

The Advanced Unitary Penetrator (AUP) is a 2,000 lb. penetrator warhead intended as a successor to the BLU-109 warhead. The AUP is designed to provide increased penetration capability while maintaining the same overall weight, dimensions, and physical interfaces of the BLU-109 warhead, thus ensuring compatibility with the GBU-31 guidance kit. The AUP uses the Hard Target Smart Fuze (HTSF), an electronic fuze which allows control of the detonation point by layer counting, distance or time. The HTSF contains an accelerometer which senses G loads caused by sudden deceleration of the bomb as it penetrates through to the target. This allows the fuze to distinguish between earth, concrete, rock and air.

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...and one of these to squash the flat-roofed control room next door -- and most of the rest of the facility -- and to make a lasting impression on the heathen...

GBU-43/B "Mother Of All Bombs" MOAB - Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb

References

The GBU-43/B is large, powerful and accurately delivered. The 21,700-pound bomb contains 18,700 pounds of high explosive. It is 30 feet long with a diameter of 40.5 inches. The warhead is a blast-type warhead. It was developed in only nine weeks to be available for the Iraq campaign, but it was not used.

The US Air Force has developed the 21,000-lb. [9,500 kilogram], satellite-guided Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bombs (MOAB) as a successor to the the 15,000-lb. "Daisy Cutters" used in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The Air Force is said to call MOABs (pronounced MOE-ab) the mother of all bombs. As with the earlier Daisy Cutter, these huge bombs are dropped out of the rear of the C-130 cargo plane.

Unlike the Daisy Cutter, the MOAB is released without the use of a parachute. As a result, the aircraft releasing the bomb can fly at higher altitudes, thus making it safer for US pilots. This replacement for the BLU-82 bomb uses more of the slurry of ammonium nitrate and powdered aluminum used in the BLU-82. Other reports indicate that the MOAB might use tritonal explosive as opposed to the gelled slurry explosive of the BLU-82.

[vrwc1]

Does Russia have any treaties with Iran? In other words, if Iran is attacked, does Russia have any obligation to come to their aid? If not, would Russia be likely to help Iran respond to any attack on their reactor, since Russia is helping them build it?

[zarman]

Russia does not have a defense pact with IRAN other than selling them military junk. They will be more than happy to rebuild Bushehr reactor for another $800 million.

[StormEye]

"I wonder how the Iranians expect to get through US-controlled Iraqi airspace and THEN deal
with the IAF air defenses? No. Their only option is ballistic missiles, and as others have said
here, those are not nearly accurate enough to reliably hit a Nuke facility."

Not quite. Hizbollah will be glad to launch the Iranian nuke from Syria. After all Hizbollah says it
doesn't mind martyrdom. I don't think Syria would like their Iranian pals doing such a thing
though. It would incur massively unpleasant repercussions on Syria from just about everybody.

Also, nuke could be smuggled into one of Arafat's territories. It may be easier this way than
launching on some sort missile. Maybe this is what the Iranians are boasting about?
Maybe they have plans to do this and somehow sneak it into Israel.