Posted on 08/18/2004 9:54:39 AM PDT by Rakkasan1
The oldest prisoner to be executed in the U-S for decades was put to death last night at Holman Prison in Atmore, Alabama. After being denied a stay of excution by the Supreme Court, 74-year-old James Barney Hubbard died by lethal injection just after six o'clock. He was convicted of killing a 62-year-old Tuscaloosa woman in 1977
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The coolest part is I bet he was thinking "I'm too old. No way will they execute me. Not a chance... hahahahahahaha! Suckers!" for quite some time until the big day...
Bet he was surprised ;0)
I just had a thought - all of the cell toilets in Death Rows should be wired up with electricity, and once all the appeals are finished, the system should be set up to randomly pick a day to "trigger" when they sit down to go...
They can spend their final days, weeks, or months wondering when it's going to happen and they can never be quite sure if "today is the day".
But, I'm probably more vindictive than most, so forget I said anything ;0)
He lived at least 27 years longer then his victim.
He didn't think the 62-year old woman was too old to kill back in '77. And I would guess that her death wasn't painless, as his was.
It may be just. It may be deserved. But it is not "cool" when the state is required to deliver the ultimate sanction. It is damned sad.
This is one that I would really like to hear about the murderer's reactions when he realized that he finally was going to DIE! --- more than a quarter century after he ended the life of another human being.
I kinda like o'reilly's answer to capital punishent better.
Build a prison in the Alaskan tundra, and convicted murderers, etc get to spend their entire lives (NO PAROLE) at hard labor with no TV, no gym. They are there to be PUNISHED.
BUMP for SUSAN SARANDON! Hey honey, they just got another one!
He took a life, so he forfeit his. Too bad, so sad, bye-bye. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
I will always maintain that the death penalty is a good thing. The system could be improved a bit, as I think these murdering scum get off too easy with this lethal injection crap. I also think they should be televised. Cuz it's cool.
More bad news for her, he was HER AGE! THAT is hitting close to home.
What a sham!!!
This guy was sentenced to die at age 47!
27 years on death row.
james hubbard
alabama
august 5, 2004
two eggs over medium
four pieces of bacon
fried green tomatoes
sliced red tomatoes
four slices of pineapple with mayonnaise
white bread
a banana
and a medium-sized V-8 juice.
"four slices of pineapple with mayonnaise"?
I bet the prison kitchen staff barfed just screwing this one together.
That's just sick. ;0)
Yes, and the taxpayers paid for it. Has anyone ever heard of swift justice?
John Kerry?
Buzzards gotta eat to...
(I won't tell anyone my ideas for a reality show called "America's Funniest Execution Videos" because that would just be wrong... so very wrong...)
Ya, but Susy had a rough life. The nuns beat the starch out of her. Just wish they hadn't hit her in the head so many times!!
justice takes too long, he got his fair trial, and that should have been it. NO pity for those who make wrong choices
Well, they wouldn't know the mechanism. All they'd know is that when they get their breakfast a little note is included saying "Today could be the last day of the rest of your life"... Never said I'd tell them HOW.
(This is why I'm not in charge...)
Ever heard of an eye for an eye? I think it's in that Bible thingy...
Another local case, though: another man came up for parole recently who had gone to his estranged wife's mother's house, shot and killed her, chased down his wife, shot her in front of their 6 y.o. son, and shot and killed a college student working in the yard. And legally, he was eligible for parole because of some glitch in the law, even though he was given an unbelievable amount of time and consecutive life sentences on top of that.
Wasn't granted parole, but still.....
Because on one hand, we're talking about the premeditated murder of a completely innocent victim (the child) administered by individuals acting in their own interest (the "mother" and doctor).
And on the other, you've got justice being delivered to an evildoer convicted by a jury of his peers, administered by the state acting as God's earthly agent of righteous judgment; see Romans 13:1-7.
I love that site. You beat me to the post.
I can not tell you, how angry this appeal business makes me!
I'm for taking them out immediately after the trial and hanging, shooting, gasing, or executing them, then and there!
Ecclesiastes 8: 11, says Because the SENTENCE against an evil deed is not executed QUICKLY, therefore the hearts of the sons of men among them, are given FULLY to DO evil!!!!!!!
I dispise our tax dollars keeping even one of them alive for one moment longer than necessary!!!!
I think maybe the lawyers should foot the major portion of the bill for keeping their clients alive. Or better yet, let the perps live with them! This would not be such an unreasonable request, if they truely believe these people are innocent, upstanding citizens!
But I know this is just wishful thinking on my part.
Lawyers don't want to know if their clients are guilty or not.
They just want to argue in court, the merits of law,
concerning said client!
I have no problem with convicted felons being forced to pay restitution to their victims or their heirs and survivors. However, there is no such thing as a "debt to society." The victim is the individual(s) who suffered loss of life, physical harm, or theft of property. The state is not society, and neither is the victim. The role of the state is to be the instrument of justice.
Yes, but then Jesus Christ came along and said in Matthew 5, "You have heard that it was said, `Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
It's in that New Testament thingy that just happens to be in that bible thingy.
God will judge and punish all who murder. If we, who call ourselves Christians, cannot trust God in that, our faith is weak indeed. It's a struggle for me to remember that every day.
nice. there is no justice, there's just us.
Sheriff Joe Arpoyo tries that in Maricopa county AZ and all he gets is screaming mimi's on the left saying how cruel it
is. Meanwhile, the people keep electing him.
My Dad remembered the many executions at the state prison just outside State College PA, when they had the electric chair. Everybody in State College knew when the switch was pulled, because the electricity flickered in everybody's house. He said it was creepy. This was in the 1940's.
i beleive in appeals, just not unlimited for forever.
make it 2 in 3 years or 3 in 5. whatever. unless you're proved guilty by a couple independent DNA tests. if so, you
die a whole lot quicker.
I figure if DNA is good enough to free people from "death row", it's good enough to give them the needle.
Any human fetus that is lawfully convicted of a capital crime should be put to death, I have no qualms about that. But how can you compare an unborn innocent person with a person who has committed only the most heinous crimes?
Those who commit that which a society will not tolerate should be executed or the society lies when it says it "will not" tolerate it. A society that tolerates those who commit murder in the first degree is a society that will not stand the test of time.
You said: . . . I would like to see prison reform that creates a workfare system within the prison so that victims can receive restitution and the prisoners can truly repay their debt to society. I would also like to see a graded benefits within prison that truly encourage rehabilitation. Better food, better cells, better benefits for those who work and behave. Worse food, worse cells, worse benefits for those who refuse to work and behave.
The problem with your proposal is that it makes eminent good sense, would not be too expensive, and reinforces responsibility of those incarcerated. Dems hate that sort of thing.
I might agree with O'Reilly on the frozen tundra prison camp idea, but I have this hang up: Liberal criminal defenders (not just lawyers --yes, I am a lawyer, but I do no criminal defense or personal injury law--) would not stop at ending the death penalty, if they were ever successful at doing that. Next would be an attack on life sentences without parole ("You might as well kill them as to take away their lives slowly" "Who are we to take away someone's freedom?" etc. etc.) The no-responsibility crowd will NEVER be sated.
yep. hey gramps, since you're so sick and tired and the left
thinks euthenasia is fine and dandy, we're going to see how
they like it when we put this poor, old cancer-ridden man
to sleep.
how beautiful.
LOL.
I like the Russian way. When appeals are done, the prisoners are moved around. One day during the move someone comes up behind them and puts a slug in the back of their head. They never know when it is comming.
You also said: I'm afraid I see support of the death penalty as the most inconsistent aspect of the GOP platform. How can the GOP be pro-life for the unborn and pro-death for the living sinner?
The unborn are innocent, and have no say in their deaths. The "living sinners" are not just sinners, they have willingly, and in the case of a death penalty case, have made a knowing, pre-meditated decision to kill. The GOP is not "pro-death" we are "pro-justice." The death penalty is so easy to avoid: Don't commit pre-meditated murder.
Romans 13: 1-7
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
We "GOPers" aren't the one sentencing people to death and then executing them, the "governing authorities" are.
I guess the GOP should be pushing to put women who've had abortions or doctors who've performed abortions on death row to be truly consistent then. Let's not only look at this from a victim's perspective, let's examine it from the perpetrator's perspective as well.
Do you see the consistency problem yet?
I want abortion to end just as much as the next believer, but let's get our message straight. I strongly suspect that the Left believes that if abortion were somehow illegal that the GOP would want to put women who've had abortions or doctors who've performed abortions on death row.
Truthfully, I have been on both sides of this issue throughout my life, so I'm looking for reasonsed responses to this difficult issue. Thanks for your's and everyone else's attempts.
One is the epitome of human innocence whose life is snuffed out on the altar of convenience, while the other is a guilty murderer (and the way the system currently works, probably took several other lives--you have to work darn hard to get on death row these days). How much wider a difference do you need?
Truer words have never been spoken. However, it's our job as a society to arrange the meeting...
He wasn't a poor, old, cancer-ridden man - he was a murderer. Period.
That would never fly here... LOL
See my post #44.
Thanks for your reposnses.
In a perfectly just world, that would be the case...
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