Skip to comments.Navy Veteran Van Odell Responds to Kerry
Posted on 08/19/2004 12:50:51 PM PDT by gilliam
Statement by Navy Veteran Van Odell, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, in Rebuttal to Michael Dobbs, Washington Post, August 19, 2004
A courageous, soft spoken man of the Midwest, Larry Thurlow has a heart bigger than the great plains and a commitment to truth and honesty that is boundless. He is under attack, because John Kerry is feeling the heat of truth at the hands of this honest man and others like him.
The Kerry Campaign is attacking the truthfulness of this man and the Bronze Star he so richly deserves for his actions on March 13, 1969. I was there. I saw what happened.
The mines detonation lifted PCF-3 completely out of the water just yards ahead of me. All boats commenced suppression fire in case enemy small arms fire ensued. None did.
All boats came to the aid of PCF-3, except one: John Kerrys boat. Kerry fled.
Larry Thurlow piloted his boat straight toward the mine-damaged PCF-3 from which thick, black smoke billowed. He jumped aboard and personally led damage control operations that saved the boat and rescue operations that saved the lives of badly wounded men. Larrys leadership was in the highest traditions of the naval service. His leadership allowed the other men and boats of the mission to exit the river safely.
This single act of meritorious service the chief requirement of the Bronze Star should be honored, not ridiculed, by the Kerry campaign and its allies in the mainstream media.
To reiterate, only one enemy weapon was deployed that day the command-detonated submerged mine that disabled PCF-3. Larry Thurlows citation contained references to enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire, because that was the language chosen by John Kerry who penned the spot report on the action that day. There was no enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire received that day. John Kerrys report was fiction a hoax on the entire chain of command.
Larry Thurlows heroism and meritorious service, however, is real. To me Larry is one of the heroes of our country. He is a man who served his country when called and who returned home to be a productive citizen. Larry and men like him are the strong backbone of our society. I am proud to have served with him.
LOL, I got to this thread far too late. see my #149.
"I didn't! I never!"
"But according to G.I. Gigolo's report, and Rassman's corroboration...Kerry went 5 KILOMETERS away, then turned and came back after all the heavy lifting was done!
Funny that no one else seemed to need 5 Klicks of "clearance"!"
That's a 10K round trip - just how fast were these boats?
I thought I heard that Rassman went under water 6 or 7 times to avoid the incoming(?) fire and then Kerry swooped in to save the day just before one of the boats that didn't leave the scene. Seems he only took 6 or 7 breaths while Kerry covered 10K - is that possible?
I just saw Larry Thurlow being interviewed by Chris Matthews. It was a disgusting display by Chris. I cannot imagine any undecided voter watching that show and not feeling that Chris was beating up on a very nice elderly true gentleman. Chris was acting like a cutthroat lawyer, utterly disrespecting Larry and trying his best to confuse him. UGH!
John Kasich didn't do much better with him. John is subbing for O'Reilly. Guess we will have to wait for Hannity to give the guy a chance to tell it like it really was.
Allies in the mainstream media? All-lies is more like it.
AUDIO BLOWS KERRY'S LIES OUT OF THE WATER.
KERRY OVERWROTE HIS AFTERACTION REPORT EMBELLISHING HIS REPORT FOR HIS SUPERIORS.
HE GOT BRONZE STAR AND PURPLE HEART DUE TO SELF INFLICTED WOUNDS.
I hadn't heard this; Gardner came back from DC with a situation report (SITREP) from the Navy archives for the incident with the sampan. Kerry declared there were 4 enemy who "jumped off the boat and ran ashore" in addition to those KIA. He also declared the small boat (30' long canoe like) had 5500 LBS of contraband (meaning the weight of a good size automobile).
Gardner has some kind of SitRep [Situation Report] that the Kerry supporters haven't seen. This SitRep apparently contradicts Kerry regarding the shooting of the family on a boat. The Rassman Bronze star/PH incident had to generate more than 1 SitRep - there were 5 swifts there - and these guys have the documents to prove that Kerry filed false reports.
Gardner: There is absolutely no way Kerry went up the river into Cambodia, because the river had barriers in it that made entry impossible.
Kerry is screwed.
"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"
-- Steven Gardner http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php?topic=SwiftVetQuotes
Steve Gardner (Swift Boat Vietnam Veteran) Audio
Swiftboat Full Bronze + PH + SCambodia Story
http://www.wbt.com/hancock/index.cfm Look on this page.
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Generally, the "Award" describes Action in which the Recipient KILLED someone.
Most Soldiers are NOT PROUD of their "Kills."
Most "Medal Recipients" WILL NOT DISCUSS the "Circumstances" under Which They were awarded a Medal.
The Contrast between Legitimate "Medal Recipients" & Mr Kerry's Actions is STARK!!
IF "Mr Kerry" were a "True, Medal-Recipient War Hero," He would have "Kept His Mouth Shut!!"
Sorry, Guys,--John Kerry's "Heroism" SMELLS!!!
That's not exactly accurate. The reason for what they're doing is to help re-elect President Bush and to make sure that Kerry isn't elected. That's a good goal, and what they're doing is certainly necessary, but they certainly have something to gain: a second term for the Presidential candidate they prefer.
I think you are wrong here. There are Republican and Democrat swift vets. Their point is not the re-election of President Bush but pay back for Kerry's betrayal of all vets after he came home. That episode in history left very deep scars to many vets and the hatered of him and others like him runs very deep.
Payback is a b*#*#..
I think with John O'Niell and the others it is also about honor. They know the true character of johnkerry and believe he is Unfit for Command. Thus the name of the book. It really is very simple.
"I love it when the Dems go after other Dems!
Nader is finding out how viscious the Dems can be also.
DemoRAT feeding frenzy! "
Just imagine how pleased as punch is the wicked witch of Chappaqua. She doesn't even have to dirty her hands; Kerry is being done in by others!
Below is a statement from John O'Neill responding to Senator John Kerry's August 19, 2004, attack on The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Mr. O'Neill is the author of Unfit for Command.
The Navy did not send Republicans or Democrats to the island of An Thoi. We are responding and dealing with something that is deeply personal - our own record and the record of our unit in Vietnam. These are issues Senator Kerry raised and we regret that he uses ad hominem attacks instead of dealing with the actual facts. He is doing that because he can't deal with the truth.
For example, for 35 years he said he claimed that one of the turning points of his life was spending Christmas Eve and Christmas illegally in Cambodia, libeling our commanders and our nation with accusations of war crimes. That is a totally false statement because he was no where near Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas day. The Kerry campaign continues to flip flop on the Cambodia issue.
In addition, Senator Kerry closed the Democratic National Convention with a story in which he claimed that five of the boats fled on March 13 after a mine went off and he came back. His campaign is now admitting that he fled and the rest stayed.
Attacking our organization does not respond to the facts that occurred in Vietnam. Senator Kerry says that he has learned to charge into an ambush in connection with this, instead he is fleeing down the river from the facts.
Kerry was in Vietnam as a naval officer. Whether he served his country or not while there remains open to debate, especially considering that others there asked him to leave after he got his third PH and could get out. He left the next day. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link and his fellow officers located it pretty quickly.
Just be sure to take a few thousand local voters with you.
I am too, so proud of them, this is what they fought for years ago, to speak up. Let them have their say!!!!!!
. . .probably not too much to worry about here. The truth never plays well with these Democrat; the wave they ride; is the 'lie'; and they will stay with it.
They certainly will not make any exceptions for a genuine hero and loyal soldier.
ie.. .how many times; night-after-night; has Alan Colmes heard the 'truth of the matter'; and yet; every night he begins again; like the 'moment of truth' never happened.
It is a Leftist mind-block; they are immune to the truth; plain and simple. . .and they never let it get in the way of their agenda.
The Left is immune to the 'truth' and they assume; everyone they speak to is as well; and have to say; all those that follow them. . .are.
The irony you speak of; had the power at least, of an 'iron skillet' upside the head' and yet. . .
Odell was on talk radio today in Houston. He was awesome. A caller asked him, "Why now? Why out of nowhere do you come out now?" His reply was that it was one thing to lie about atrocities that did not happen, to lie and cause POW suffering, but it became unconscionable not to stand up against Kerry's lies when he was seeking the status of Commander and Chief. (Paraphrased) He was clear and concise in rebuttal to "attacks" against the Swift Boat Vets. He mentioned the amount they had to put on their ad as compared to the amount moveon.org had... I can't remember the amount, but it was unbelievable how much moveon.org had spent.
All boats commenced suppression fire in case enemy small arms fire ensued. None did.
Could it be that Rassman saw splashes caused by ejecting shell casings hitting the water beliving he was being shot at?
While it is true that the hardcore lefty partisans are immune to the truth and driven solely by their philosophy and agenda of Marx. But there are not enough of them to win an election. The need the occasional thinking democrat and the mushy middle and that is where the Swifties will be devastating.
Thurlow is the one who jumped on a sinking boat to save it while Kerry fled, but it Kerry who is sinking now.
When advisers told Kerry to cool it with the hotties, he set his sights on the Mozambique-born Teresa Heinz, whose first husband, John, a Republican, died in a plane crash in 1991. Kerry and Heinz had met at the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janiero and he escorted Heinz, a devout Catholic, to Mass. He found her "very earthy, sexy"and very rich, with estimates topping $500 million. They married in 1995.
The first Mrs. Kerry filed papers the following year seeking more child support. Kerry interpreted the move as vindictive and fired back: he asked the Catholic Church to formally annul his failed marriage. He didn't even tell her; the church sent her a letter in November 1996 (some say Kerry filed for the annulment because Heinz is a devout Catholic who wanted to participate fully in church ceremonies; others say it was retaliatory
He will fall on the floor kick his feetand whine and cry. and then retailiate.
On July 29 Rassman said "I was a perfect target, hanging out there for everyone to see,". Now all of a sudden he says he was being shot at. Just digging himself deeper with Kerry's lies.
Texas is pretty much in the bag for President Bush. I will of course vote for him. But, if I could get someone to give me lucrative temporary employment in a battleground state, my vote might really help. I would be happy to register,vote and campaign for Bush?Cheney 04.
Regarding my earlier post I was apparently ineffectively trying to be sarcastic about kerry fleeing the scene,and one of his campaign slogans.
I heard O'Neill say something yesterday that really struck me. He said that if Kerry was a Republican, they would be doing exactly the same thing. From most folks, that would seem laughable, but O'Neill comes off so honorable, that it sounded like the most natural thing in the world for him to say.
Did anyone else notice yesterday that Kerry's goons stood up at least one, and probably more, of the talking-heads shows? I can't remember which ones, but I remember hearing at least one, and maybe two complaints from the hosts.
But will you read this in the NYT or Wash Post?
Will you hear it on the TV or radio news?
In fact, it's doubtful anyone in New England will learn of it at all.
Princess you are absolutely correct in your synopsis. I think we both agree on, " Let the chips fall where they may," in pursuit of the truth. Honest men and women have nothing to hide in order for justice to prevail.
Hope he continues 'downward' . . .
"Kerry served his country in combat. I have nothing negative to say about that. He did more than most. Kerrys exaggerations of his heroics are just ridiculous. I have found that those that brag about their heroics are almost always exaggerating. Seems to be the case here."
I have alot negative to say. He aided the enemy, he has blood on his hands, he is a traitor to his fellow soldiers, he is a liar. He cannot be allowed to be the leader of our troops.
Two words that should be seared, seared into the minds of all Americans.
Two words that should be seared, seared into the minds of all Americans.
Kerry read the Scott Peterson Handbook on public relations.
Even if that's all there is to it, then they have something to gain by preventing his election. That was my point. If they had brought up all these concerns about getting the story straight about what happened in a year when John Kerry wasn't a candidate for president, then it might reasonably be argued that they have/had "nothing to gain". This year, something more than merely the factual account of an engagement in Vietnam is at stake.
I'm with you!
Kerry's been a senator for how many years? And yet this issue never came up during any of his Senate campaigns? (Didn't at least one of the Swift Boat vets actually speak favorably of Kerry during a previous Senate campaign?)
However, note that I totally agree with you that they are not trying to get President Bush reelected. They are trying to make sure that Kerry doesn't get elected. President Bush's reelection would be a secondary result.
And it's not surprising that Thurlow's bravery never made it into the after-action reports, authored by none other than John Kerry. Of course, it was hard for JFK to witness Thurlow's actions, since he was high-tailing it down the river, out of harm's way (after causing that Green Beret to fall overboard). BTW, someone needs to examine the connection between Rassmman and Kerry. Here's a guy who just conveniently popped up at the start of a Presidential campaign and sticks by Kerry's preferred version of events, despite refutation by a number of witnesses. There are lots of accusations that the Swifties were "bought" by GOP donors, but no one bothers to ask why that handful of veterans stand stubbornly by JFK. Most of the pro-Kerry group don't appear to be particularly successful or propserous, so you've got to wonder who was really bought and sold....
That's fine, and as I've noted twice elsewhere on this thread, the main goal is to set the record straight about Kerry's service. But... common sense indicates that if they want to really sock it to Kerry (as someone else noted, payback is a b*tch), they're going to do it when it will most strongly affect him, and that might just be when he's running in a tight campaign for POTUS. And common-sense wise, which campaign is more likely to be negatively impacted? I doubt these guys lack for common sense.
Rephrasing a point I made earlier: if all they have to gain is a factual account of John Kerry's service in Vietnam and in particular, a clearer picture of his minimal action under hostile circumstances (which didn't merit commendations for valor), then to appear motivated only by that high regard for truth, they should have done this prior to Kerry's nomination as the Democratic candidate for POTUS. Because they have timed it as they have timed it, then many people could perceive that one of their motivations is to affect the election. And when they run most of the ads in swing states (rather than a more general canvassing of the entire U.S.) that helps strengthen an incorrect perception of their motivation(s).
That's stated about as clearly as I can.
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Watch Rassmann's body language. I'm convinced that he knows he's not telling the truth and nothing but the truth. I understand that he's on the sKerry campaign payroll.
1) His presidential nomination
The Swiftees were uninvolved in politics (and even moderately supportive of him against some charges) but only as long as he remained nothing more than just one of a hundred senators. His shooting for the CiC job changed everything.
2) His biography
Sometime earlier this year, as part of his campaign, Brinkley's biography of kerry was released. Once it was, they could see just how badly he had distorted/fabricated his Vietnam service with them.
I heard "Cut & Run" Kerry was gone for at least 5 minutes.
I agree with your assessment. Unfortunately, I think that more people might believe them if this wasn't occurring in the context of the Presidential election, because it makes an important issue into the appearance of just more "dirty politics". Hopefully, the right number of people will believe them and realize Kerry's Vietnam service record isn't a criterion on which the choice of CiC/POTUS in 2004 should be based, which is the snake oil the Kerry campaign has been trying to sell.
I have heard O'Neill state in interviews that he has been approached many times during previous Kerry campaigns to speak out against Kerry. He had always stayed out of it before but that the position of Commander in Chief changed the stakes.
Well, that essentially reinforces my point. Thanks.
Excellent point, Sister.
I told my mother last week that this thing had legs. One week later its kicked up in third gear. She is so dosmayed that Kerry is ahead in the polls. I said "Mom, Dukakis was ahead by 17 points at this time in 1988. Gore was ahead by 5 at Labor Day. Kerry is just starting to swirl the drain. In November you will be hearing the glug-glug sound when the toilet has completed the flush cycle."
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