Brit Hume and Lt. Col. Bill Cowan were talking about this on FNC, and Cowan couldn't imagine why Kerry would have anything signed by Lehman.
I recall that some months ago, this was discussed on FR and some people suggested it was because Kerry lost his citations and needed to have them replaced, but Cowan said that had hapened to him, and what you get is a true copy of the original. Nothing new is signed.
There was a thread on it awhile back with the documentation. I saved the one signed by Lehman. It's undated. I don't have the rest of it.
I read somewhere that Kerry's silver star commendation was written or re-written many years later on the basis of the same "truths" Kerry is feeding us now, IE Kerry bravely charged an overwhelming force, blah blah. If the real report had been submitted, IE Kerry shot one fleeing man in the back after he was already wounded and disarmed, there would be no silver star.
Brit was just talking to Cowen about the Lehman documents.
IS this the links you are looking for
The Kerry campaign is like an exploding septic tank- befouling everyone who has ever come in contact with the war Heee Row.
Now Lehman is going to have to answer this sticky question.
The MSM refuses to understand that those up the chain of command relied on the paperwork submitted from below.
If the original paperwork was fraudulent
( anything by Kerry )
and no one picked it up at the time, those who signed the citations are not standing by Kerry-but,
standing by the paperwork they thought was truthful.
Has anybody thought about starting a website with all the material that has been "Removed" from Kerry's website?
lies, lies, lies, lies.. do we really want 4 years of this from this obvious fraud?
"Is this info still on KerryEdward site and I just can't find it? "
Yes, actually it's still there, and yes, you just can't find it. See below for the links.
Did he or didn't he? After reviewing Kerry's service records, as released by him, I find it hard to believe the media have not picked up on the John Lehman connection. It should set off all kinds of alarm bells, especially considering the recent flap over whether he threw his medals away or not.
A very curious question arises over Kerry's multiple Silver (3) and Bronze (2) star citations. Two of the five were signed by John Lehman who was Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan Administration 5 Feb 1981 - 10 Apr 1987. There are three Silver Star citations supplied by Kerry. One was signed by ADM Zumwalt, one by ADM Hyland, and one by Secretary Lehman. The Bronze Star citations were signed by Zumwalt and Lehman. Specifically,
Zumwalt: ADM Zumwalt served as Commander, US Naval Forces Vietnam from Sep 1968-May 1970. The Silver Star citation is more than likely the original citation taken from the award submission. Normally, as part of the nomination form, the nominator must provide a synopsis of the award (citation) that can fit on a single page suitable for framing with the certificate. Zumwalt's citation covered two pages. I suspect that Zumwalt forwarded the award to CINCPAC, ADM Hyland, for the final signature, including the citation. It is worth noting that the requirement to go to CINCPAC applied only to the Silver Star, hence only the Zumwalt and Lehman citations for the Bronze Star, i.e., Zumwalt as the final approving authority and Lehman for the replacement/reissue.
Hyland: CINCPAC probably edited the Zumwalt Silver Star citation to make it fit on to one page and to clean it up a bit to fit the existing format. ADM Hyland was CINCPAC 30 Nov 1967 - 05 Dec 1970
Lehman: Except for the last sentence, the Silver Star citation is the same as Hyland's. What makes this curious is that Secretary Lehman signed the citation at least over 12 and up to 18 years after the events occurred. Kerry served in Vietnam from November 1968 to April 1969. I doubt, in any event, that the final approval authority for Silver Stars had to go to SECNAV for approval. We also have photographic evidence that Kerry had the Silver Star medal pinned on in 1969. Kerry also acknowledges that he received them. My take is that Kerry requested replacement medals and due to the fact that Kerry was no longer an active duty service member, administrative requirements mandated that SECNAV's office had to approve the issue of the replacements once it was verified from official records that Kerry had actually earned them.
The bottom line is that Kerry probably did throw away his medals and then requested replacements in the 1980s. Someone needs to raise this issue with Kerry, i.e., why did Secretary Lehman sign duplicate Bronze and Silver Star citations at least 12 years after you left Vietnam? Kerry needs to release all of his military records including the nomination forms, which will give us the chronology and the approval chain of command.
Kerry's reaction on Good Morning America fits his MO. He wants it both ways. When he discovered that throwing away your medals was politically a negative, he came up with the story about his ribbons and someone else's medals. Kerry realized that he couldn't walk away from the story entirely, especially since he has the medals displayed prominently in his office. However, the fly in the ointment is that we now have the citations, released by him, signed by Lehman. If he indeed requested replacement medals, he has a real problem, i.e., he was telling the truth initially, lied in the 80s, and is lying now.
I recognize that confronting Kerry on his military service is fraught with problems politically, but I believe there are plenty of inconsistencies that need to be made public. His antiwar activities and associations (Fonda, Ramsey Clark, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, et. al) also need to be exposed fully. The fact that Kerry was a member of the inactive Naval Reserves (1970-2) subject to involuntary recall and could meet with the Communist Vietnamese in Paris (per his sworn Congressional testimony) while our forces were engaged in hostilities is disgraceful. In fact it has recently been learned that Kerry met twice with the Communists in Paris.
Kerry is frozen in a time warp when it comes to his service in Vietnam. His preoccupation with his medals borders on being an obsession. If you check Kerry's released military records, you will notice that Kerry amended his DD214 with a DD215. Among other things, Kerry burnishes his Vietnam Service medal by adding four bronze service stars to reflect various campaigns. This was done in March 2001!!! Why anyone would go through that effort to make some meaningless changes is beyond me. Hundreds of thousands of veterans, including myself, could do it, but beyond self-gratification and ego, what is the point?
On a side note has anyone ever actually seen his medals? It is an interesting question because as much as Kerry has been running on them I don't recall ever actually seeing them. Maybe he threw them over the fence because I can not believe Kerry would not have been shining them up by now.
As it has been suggested previously, Kerry probably requested replacements for the ones he tossed away or tore up. Since Kerry was elected to the Senate in Nov. of '84, he didn't take office until Jan. of '85. So sometime after being elected, he submitted a request for new citations so he could hang them in his new office.
I wonder if it is cached on Google??
Ah-OOOH-gaa! Whoop! WHoop! Whoop! Bzzzt. Bzzzzt. Bzzzt.
Roseanne Rosannadanna -- Kerry campaign director.
Somebody better find a rubber room for this melting ice man.
From my post this morning:
re: Military Records of John Kerry
This link may not may not be known:
FINDLAW Election 2004 Special Coverage
Someone who knows what docs may not be floating the internet might want to take a peek and catch any that are not out there.
It would be interesting to compare them with the "complete" list on his web site.