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Veteran shares perspective on Kerry story [Cambodia redux]
The Augusta Free Press ^ | 08/19/04 | Doug Regelin

Posted on 08/19/2004 8:48:10 PM PDT by Interesting Times

The new version of Sen. John Kerry's Cambodia experience is also not true.

Sen. Kerry patrolled from An Thoi on the 94 boat and also from Cat Lo on the 44 boat. There was no way to enter Cambodia from the An Thoi patrol area. That patrol area started at the coastal fishing village of Ha Tien and ran parallel to the Cambodian border, but there was no way into Cambodia. Any good map will show this to be true.

From the Cat Lo patrol area around Sa Dec, it would have been possible for a boat to enter Cambodia, except there were concrete barriers, river-assault group boats and PBRs guarding the entrance.

Anyone entering Cambodia at that location would have known with complete certainty what they were doing.

It just never happened. Sen. Kerry is not being truthful, and it can be easily proven by interviewing his own selected band-of-brothers. The claim that there were so many rivers and canals, and that no one knew where they were, is ludicrous. We had detailed maps and overlays that showed everything right down to movements in fishing stakes.

I drove a swift boat for a year in 1969, and I still remember all the patrol areas.

Also, a single swift boat never went anywhere alone. It would have been way too dangerous. A second cover boat would have gone along. That means the crew of that boat would have also known they were going into Cambodia. Where are the crew members and officer of the cover boat?

Again, it just didn't happen.

Why has the old media let this slide? Sen. Kerry will say anything if it suits his personal political agenda. His Cambodia lie is just like his atrocity lie when he came back. They served his political purpose when he said them, but neither is true.

I'm not a member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which can be verified. I also will not vote for either Bush or Kerry because I'm anti-war. I don't think we should be in Iraq. However, I am for the truth.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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No Cambodia. No how. No way.
1 posted on 08/19/2004 8:48:11 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...
This is just the sort of thing that keeps Douglas Brinkley awake at night...
2 posted on 08/19/2004 8:49:24 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

you are right and one of the most compelling witnesses because he is opposed to Bush on Iraq.


3 posted on 08/19/2004 8:53:05 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Coop
From the Cat Lo patrol area around Sa Dec, it would have been possible for a boat to enter Cambodia, except there were concrete barriers, river-assault group boats and PBRs guarding the entrance
4 posted on 08/19/2004 8:54:31 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Interesting Times

it never ends....

I'm posting on a Buffalo forum right now.
The question is "who will you vote for?"

3 for kerry so far, I love stirring up the pot over there..


5 posted on 08/19/2004 8:54:58 PM PDT by The Mayor (God gives grace for this life and glory in the life to come.)
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To: Interesting Times

Send this to Rush and hannity!! The more these "little white lies" get out the better...the snowball is starting down the hill, it's up to us to get these truths to public people so that snowball can start racing and getting bigger until it smashes kerry at the bottom...


6 posted on 08/19/2004 8:55:38 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Interesting Times
"This is just the sort of thing that keeps Douglas Brinkley awake at night..."

I would bet, this is what's keeping "Hanoi John" awake at night!!!

7 posted on 08/19/2004 8:56:22 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.)
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To: The Mayor

Liberals are voting for Kerry, liar or not. Specifically, they are voting against Bush, not FOR Kerry. Ignorance abhors truth.


8 posted on 08/19/2004 8:56:50 PM PDT by NW Baptist
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To: Interesting Times

I read on another thread that Brinkley has been hired as an NBC analyst.

One way to shut him up.


9 posted on 08/19/2004 8:57:12 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Interesting Times; ntnychik; devolve; Smartass; Happy2BMe; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo

[Sen. Kerry will say anything if it suits his personal political agenda]

Didn't take us long to find that out!! Thanks for the ping I.T.


10 posted on 08/19/2004 8:57:53 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: Interesting Times

This guy MUST be paid by the Republican attack machine....


11 posted on 08/19/2004 8:59:03 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Interesting Times

Excellent testimony by one who knows. And more credible because he isn't politically motivated. Thanks for posting it.


12 posted on 08/19/2004 8:59:04 PM PDT by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: Interesting Times
"It just never happened. Sen. Kerry is not being truthful, and it can be easily proven by interviewing his own selected band-of-brothers"

It's my understanding that Kerry is REFUSING to allow interviews of his "band of brothers"............any information on the "service record" is screwed, glued and tatooed by the Kerry Interview fascists!! Scarborough was refused an interview tonight for his show on MSNBC and I believe Hannity was stood up this PM on his radio show.......Kerry campaign said first they would send someone, then they didn't and no one showed up.......they are in a huddle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

13 posted on 08/19/2004 8:59:57 PM PDT by soozla ("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
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To: Interesting Times
I just watched a surprisingly fair - mind you, not nearly 100% fair, but unusually fair - piece on Nightline about the Swifty controversy. While it was laced with doubts about the swifties, it wasn't the usual story. I feel that in an effort not to appear blatantly biased to the (dumb)masses (they are obviously so already to us), they see the story gaining steam, and are slowly moving to the middle, as the Rats desperate attempts at squelching/muddling the controversy fail.
14 posted on 08/19/2004 9:00:35 PM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (Democrats aren't playing with a full deck, they only use the race cards.)
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To: Interesting Times
Interview on streaming audio with Steve Gardner (served in the same boat with Fn) here. Very good. Has declassified sit-reps.
15 posted on 08/19/2004 9:01:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky!)
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To: Interesting Times
The claim that there were so many rivers and canals, and that no one knew where they were, is ludicrous. We had detailed maps and overlays that showed everything right down to movements in fishing stakes.

How dare you question John Kerry's ability to not know where the f#*k he is!!

16 posted on 08/19/2004 9:01:41 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Smartass

Kerry's accusations against the Bush campaign just make this bigger...It causes controversy so it will get more attention..GOOD!..

Finally someone is noticing that Kerry is spinning fantasy...


17 posted on 08/19/2004 9:03:17 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Interesting Times
This is just the sort of thing that keeps Douglas Brinkley awake at night...

Lack of credibility hasn't slowed down the lefties yet...
Rather, Jennings, the other Brinkley, the lying traitor Kerry, Klintoon, the draft dodger and his hanger-on wife till she got her own job, Clark Bar, Michael Moron, the Kennedys...any of them, Jimmy Carter, Al Bore...
and one of my all time favs Gray "Dimwit" Davis...
I could go on all night...
"Credibility", heck liberals don't even know how to spell it! LMAO
18 posted on 08/19/2004 9:04:58 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: RightthinkinAmerican

Also, our local tv station (WCHS) did a halfway fair analysis tonight. They made sure to leave a few easily refuted RAT claims untouched, of course, but quoted former local Swifty turned Texan (Chenoweth?, I think) in his charges. Of course, like all mainstream media, they made the point that it's paid for by a Texas fatcat "linked" to Bush. No mention of Soros and his ties to the RATs.


19 posted on 08/19/2004 9:05:43 PM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (Democrats aren't playing with a full deck, they only use the race cards.)
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To: NW Baptist

I have so far talked at least a dozen people from Buffalo out of voting for kerry and for President Bush.

They need to be educated, I wish I got paid to do this, I could get more.


20 posted on 08/19/2004 9:06:05 PM PDT by The Mayor (God gives grace for this life and glory in the life to come.)
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To: soozla

I think the Kerry folks pulled back today knowing the NYT hit piece was coming. IMHO, the article was poorly written citing several quotes without context and using rather twisted logic to attempt to connect the Swifties to the Bush Administration. I expect to see several of the Swift Boat folks out front and center placing the quotes in context and thus pretty much neutralizing the article.


21 posted on 08/19/2004 9:06:39 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Interesting Times
This post nails down the falsity of Kerry's "Christmas in Shambodia" claim, even as it shifts. The point made here, that these Boats would not go on patrol alone because that would be too dangerous, is also essential to my take on related aspects of Kerry's dangerous four-month tour.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Carville, Davis, and Other Pests -- 'Those We Don't Speak of' "

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22 posted on 08/19/2004 9:08:05 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: abner

Epiphany for a new tagline!


23 posted on 08/19/2004 9:09:04 PM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (I oil, lube, service & remotely operate the Republican attack machine!)
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To: Interesting Times

I tried to email this to Rush and Hannity but they bounced back for some reason..I couldn't understand the code...someone get this to people who have a microphone...every conservative radio talking head you can think of!


24 posted on 08/19/2004 9:11:00 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: MEG33
I called Border's Book store today to inquire about "Unfit for Command."   They said, that they, along with all book stores have been overwhelmed.   Moreover, Regency Publishers are working overtime to meet the demand for the book.   So yes, "Hanoi John" has his problems.   Of course, expect a negative spin from the media to cover up for an American Traitor.
25 posted on 08/19/2004 9:11:13 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.)
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To: dead

Nah, Algore was inventing GPS and JK had a beta version LOL


26 posted on 08/19/2004 9:12:06 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Interesting Times

The swamp monster is coming for Kerry.


27 posted on 08/19/2004 9:13:44 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I was glad to hear on Nightline that the Swifties have a new ad coming out. No doubt it will refute Kerry claims that he hardly knew them, ect. - re: his own website showing their picture!

Kerry is as big a liar as Clinton, he's just not good at it. He doesn't think ahead. He's like a five-year-old caught in the cookie jar each time he's caught, and unlike Clinton, hasn't taken the time to figure a prompt and convincing lie in advance. Clinton would not have been so stupid as to use the Swifties photo on his website - this takes away Kerry's deniability, and I bet it's mentioned in the next Swiftie ad. I'm sending them another $25.

28 posted on 08/19/2004 9:13:52 PM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (I oil, lube, service & remotely operate the Republican attack machine!)
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To: Smartass

In its seventh printing with 350,000 copies due next week. Wow.


29 posted on 08/19/2004 9:18:23 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: RightthinkinAmerican
OK, let's say it wasn't 100% unfair. Very slanted, ect., but was obliged to include some damaging clips, for anyone fairminded enough to consider if they might be true.
30 posted on 08/19/2004 9:21:25 PM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (I oil, lube, service & remotely operate the Republican attack machine!)
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To: Interesting Times; All

http://home.nycap.rr.com/pwcarter/the%20kerry%20page.html

"As everyone must surely know by now, John F. Kerry came on board GRIDLEY as a boot Ensign when we returned from our 1967 Westpac Cruise. He remained on GRIDLEY through the 1968 cruise. Politics aside, shipmates of the time who have read TOUR OF DUTY, the authorized campaign biography, will have something to say about the chapter on GRIDLEY."

READ ALL OF THIS!!!!


31 posted on 08/19/2004 9:21:33 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Thank You Troops : Present, Past and Future)
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To: Interesting Times

I question the timing of the release of this... ;0)

(Oh, and IT? Great work you've been doing!)


32 posted on 08/19/2004 9:22:22 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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To: Interesting Times
Why has the old "MSM" media let this slide?

Is that a trick question? ;-)

33 posted on 08/19/2004 9:31:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Hairy Kerry now ..... pay thru the nose later)
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To: Interesting Times

Bump!


34 posted on 08/19/2004 9:37:49 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: gov_bean_ counter

They (Swift Boat Vets) have been on top of this from the git-go!! I was really happy to see that when the stuff started really hitting the fan, they were releasing statements refuting any lies and half-truths within HOURS. These guys are NOT backing off......they have truth on their side!!!!!!!


35 posted on 08/19/2004 9:40:03 PM PDT by soozla ("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks to 68-69 Tonkin for the link. I just read it and I hope everyone else will too. It is both honest and devastating. I think Kerry's worst nightmare is coming true. His elaborately constructed phantasy - a big lie with enough truth to make it plausible - is coming unglued.
36 posted on 08/19/2004 9:48:02 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Interesting Times
From comments by Andrew Ferguson to make David's little boy lose more sleep...

About Kerry:

*snip*

He has slid from one side of this formula to the other as the situation requires, and only a few of his hostile fellow veterans have been so crude as to point out that, by his own logic, he is a war criminal.

"I never wanted to be a professional veteran," he protested to a reporter during one of his early political campaigns. But of course that's what he's been, unavoidably.

In his public presentation, he is a dour, pompous, and unlikable man.

His political career--and his success during this presidential campaign, when his fellow Democrats ache for a candidate who will appear strong on "national security"--is unimaginable without his extraordinary service in Vietnam.

God knows, and experience proves, that he won't shut up about it. It has become his own personal bloody shirt.

Kerry's eagerness to bring up his military service at every opening strikes many people, including all Republicans, as opportunism, as just one more instance of an ambition that will exploit anything on the path to its own fulfillment.

But there are other possibilities, if we can briefly extend him the benefit of the doubt. It might also be the way a reflective man responds to an experience he's never quite been able to get over.

And because he can't quite get over it, he doesn't want us to either. This may be narcissism, but it's not opportunism, necessarily, and in any case it's perfectly understandable, and probably not worth criticizing. (Oh, I think it is <<<---my comment)

Brinkley writes at great length about Kerry's antiwar activism and only a bit less about his later political career.

For anyone interested in these phases of the story, however, "Tour of Duty" is nearly worthless. His devotion to Kerry is simply too large. More at the link

37 posted on 08/19/2004 9:59:15 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Lady In Blue; sockmonkey; Domestic Church; american colleen; nickcarraway; Pyro7480; nina0113; ...

Another comes forward -- to expose Kerry's revised Cambodia story as a lie.


38 posted on 08/19/2004 10:07:16 PM PDT by Maeve (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: NYer; GirlShortstop; Desdemona

bump


39 posted on 08/19/2004 10:08:15 PM PDT by Maeve (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: Maeve
Another comes forward -- to expose Kerry's revised Cambodia story as a lie.

Thanks for the ping Maeve. Having read Unfit for Command I think that everytime he opens his mouth he's lying.

40 posted on 08/19/2004 10:18:31 PM PDT by sockmonkey (prayers for the repose of the soul of my Dad)
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To: Interesting Times

Found this site by a Swift Boat guy that shows Sa Dec. Interesting stuff...

http://www.pcf45.com/sealords/sadec/sadec.html

Ha Tien, from what I've been able to find, is right on the border with Cambodia. The waterway defines the separation between Vietnam and Cambodia. It is little more than a canal. Also, it doesn't go into Cambodia. Seems strange to send a Swift Boat into that small canal just to have it beach itself on the other side. The mysterious hatless CIA guy could have swam across it in five minutes and have been on the other bank, and certainly attract less attention than Kerry and his 50 feet of Swift Boat.

Kerry's lies are catching up with him.


41 posted on 08/19/2004 10:25:37 PM PDT by bootyist-monk (<--------------------- Republican Attack Machine)
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To: Congressman Billybob; Interesting Times; kellynla; Chad Fairbanks; onyx; potlatch; ntnychik; ...
This post nails down the falsity of Kerry's "Christmas in Shambodia" claim, even as it shifts.

Shambodia was a black op--the only agent with a need to know was. . .Shambo. . . .


42 posted on 08/19/2004 10:27:40 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

Well, I'm sitting here wondering what I can post to that and all I can think of when I look at him is 'The Monster Of The Black Lagoon'!!


43 posted on 08/19/2004 10:33:20 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: Interesting Times
"His Cambodia lie is just like his atrocity lie when he came back. They served his political purpose when he said them, but neither is true"

The truth is seeping out the cracks; and down the sides. . .

that said. . . I cannot understand those who are 'anti-war'. More people killed by totalitarian regimes than from wars; is that more peaceful or acceptable?

Hundreds of thousands of innocent, men, women and children can be made to 'disappear' by a Government leader; without creating anymore than a 'ripple' of interest or concern.

A hundred people - even less; can be lost in a war; a battle; a skirmish; and the same people who sleep through a genocide; are drawn out of their beds; and into their 'anti-war' refuge.

Even in the Ecclesiastes we have 'There is a time for war. . .and a time for peace'.

44 posted on 08/19/2004 10:33:59 PM PDT by cricket (Don't Lose Your Head. . .Vote Republican)
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To: potlatch

Pre-Botox Kerry climbs back into his
twinkboat after taking rice shrapnel in a gill slit.

45 posted on 08/19/2004 10:37:08 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

You have the monster!! Your way with words never fails to amaze me, LOLOL.


46 posted on 08/19/2004 10:42:30 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: Interesting Times

Did anyone else hear that great article by Gongressional
Medal of Honor winner, Gen. Patrick Brady, read by "The Great One" tonight on his show??? It was incredible and should be printed in every newspaper in America!! I hope to get a copy and pay for printing it in our local paper. This man should be asked to speak at the GOP Convention.


47 posted on 08/19/2004 10:49:22 PM PDT by Winfield (sham)
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To: Interesting Times

Lying sack of !@&^ Bump


48 posted on 08/19/2004 10:59:43 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to go..)
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To: The Mayor

Good news!


49 posted on 08/19/2004 11:02:30 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Interesting Times; Steve Malzberg; Carl/NewsMax; Chieftain; Defender2; potlatch; PhilDragoo; ...



  
CHRISTMAS EVE              
KOHNBODIA 1968              



                                                                                                                                             

50 posted on 08/19/2004 11:30:10 PM PDT by devolve ( -- Kerry & POW`s families - http://www.angelfire.com/film/macny/TheMission.html -)
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