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Secret Service Presidential Detail Opinion of Presidents
Dick Sprowl

Posted on 08/20/2004 1:00:22 PM PDT by swampfox98

Secret Service Presidential Detail Opinions of Presidents

This is something not about missiles or planes, but interesting nonetheless. These comments are from Dick Sprowl, Wesleyan AF Chaplain and teacher of Tuesday morning Bible study in Sun City.

We had a neighbor when I lived in DC who was part of the Secret Service Presidential Detail for many years. His stories of Kennedy and Johnson were the same as those I heard from the guys who flew the presidents' plane--- [yes, Kennedy did have Marilyn Monroe flown in for secret "dates", and LBJ was a typical Texas "good 'ole boy" womanizer. Nixon, Bush 41, and Carter never cheated on their wives. Clinton cheated, but couldn't match Kennedy or LBJ in style or variety.]

The information below is accurate. Bush 41 and the current president Bush make it a point to thank and take care of the aircrews who fly them around [When the president flies, there are several planes that also go--one carries the armored limo, another the security detail, plus usually a press aircraft] and both Bush's made it a point to stay home on holidays, so these Air Force and security people could have a day with their families.

Secret Service Viewpoints (WHAT WAS, COULD HAVE BEEN, AND WHAT IS) WHAT WAS:

Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to her security detail. She forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from exchanging pleasantries with them. Sometimes Chelsea, miffed at her mother's obvious conceit and mean spiritedness ignored her demands and exchanged pleasantries regardless, but never in her mother presence. Chelsea really was a nice, kindhearted, and lovely young lady. The consensus opinion was that Chelsea loved her mom but did not like her.

Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and abrasive to those who were charged to protect her life. Her security detail dutifully did its job, as professionals should, but they all "loathed" her and wanted to be on a different detail. She was hard work because she was so nasty and mean toward her detail. Hillary Clinton was uniformly despised by the Secret Service as a whole.

Former President Bill Clinton was much more amiable than his wife Hillary. Often the Secret Service would cringe at the verbal attack antics that Hillary would use against her husband, the then President. They were embarrassed for his sake by the manner and frequency in which she verbally insulted him, sometimes in the presence of the Secret Service, and sometimes behind closed doors. Even behind closed doors Hillary Clinton would scream and holler so loudly that everyone could hear what she was saying.

Many felt sorry for President Clinton and most wondered why he tolerated it instead of just divorcing his "attack dog" wife. It was crystal clear that the Clintons neither liked nor respected each other and this was true long before the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Theirs was genuinely a "marriage of convenience."

Chelsea was much closer to her father than her mother, even after the Lewinsky scandal which hurt her gravely. Bill Clinton did in fact have "charisma," and occasionally would smile at or shake hands with his security detail. Still, he always displayed an obvious air of superiority towards them. His security detail uniformly believed him to be disingenuous, false, and that he did nothing without a motive that in some way would enhance his image and political career. They did respect him, unlike his wife, but they did not particularly like him and nobody trusted him. He was polite, but not kind.

WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN:

Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton. Al and Tipper Gore were friendlier toward each other than either of them was towards former President Clinton. They were not intimate, so please don't read that in.

They were very close in a political way. Tipper Gore was generally nice and pleasant. She initially liked Hillary but soon after the election she had her "pegged" and no longer liked her or associated with her except for events that were politically obligatory.

Al Gore was far more left wing and very hateful, not just politically opposed, to Republicans than Bill Clinton. Al Gore resented Bill Clinton and thought he was too "centrist." He despised all Republicans. His hatred was bitter and this was long before he announced for the Presidency. This bitter hatred was something that he and Hillary had very much in common. They often said as much, even in the presence of their security detail. Neither of them trusted Bill Clinton, and the Secret Service opined neither of them even liked Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton did have some good qualities where Al Gore and Hillary had none in the view of their security details.

Al Gore, like Hillary, was very rude and arrogant toward his security detail. He was extremely unappreciative and would not hesitate to scold them in the presence of their peers for minor details over which they had no control. Al Gore also looked down on them in disgust as they finally observed and learned with certainty on one occasion when Al Gore got angry at his offspring and loudly, in their presence, pointed at his security detail and said, "Do you want to grow up and be like them?"

Word of this insulting and demeaning verbiage by the former Vice President quickly spread and he became as despised and disliked by the Secret Service as Hillary. Most of them prayed that Al Gore would not be elected President and they really did have private small celebrations in a few of their homes after President Bush won. This was not necessarily to celebrate President Bush's election, but to celebrate Al Gore's defeat. He was much disliked. Al Gore was not a good and kind person. That he could have been our President may suggest that God was "answering prayers" and looking out for the country with Al Gore's defeat.

WHAT IS:

Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady Laura Bush's detail. Without exception, they uniformly concede that she is perhaps the nicest, most kind, and genuinely good person they have ever had the privilege of serving. Where Hillary patently refused to allow her picture to be taken with her security detail, Laura Bush doesn't even have to be asked, she offers. She doesn't just shake their hand and say, "Thank you." Very often, she will give members of her detail a kind-hearted hug to express her appreciation. There is nothing false about her. This is her genuine nature. Laura Bush really is this kind of a person and her security detail considers her to be a "breath of fresh air." They actually love her as a human being. They joke that comparing Laura Bush with Hillary Clinton is like comparing "Mother Teresa" with the "Wicked Witch of the North."

Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to be a gem of a man to work for. He always treats them with genuine respect and he always trusts and listens to their expert advice. They really like the Crawford, Texas detail. Every time the president goes to Crawford he has a Bar-B-Q for his security detail and he helps in serving them their meals. He eats with them, sits with them, and talks with them. He always asks about their family, the names of which he always remembers, and he of course, knows each of them by their first name, and calls them by their first name as a show of affection.

They believe that he actually loves his security detail and that he is deeply and genuinely appreciative of their service. They could not like, love, or respect anyone more than President Bush, and most of them did not know they would feel this way until they had an opportunity to work for him and learn that his manner was genuine and consistent. It has never changed in the three years that he has been President. He always treats them with the utmost respect, kindness, and compassion.

{Please pass this on to everyone you know. It is important for every-day Americans to have a true inside understanding of their President, versus those who would be President. Finally, the Secret Service still is forming their opinion of John Kerry. They have nothing positive or negative to say that anyone is willing to share as yet. This notwithstanding, they already know what they have in President Bush and they don't want to lose a good thing.}

No surprises here!


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: algor; bush; chaplain; hillary; johnson; kennedy; secretservice; usss
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1 posted on 08/20/2004 1:00:23 PM PDT by swampfox98
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To: swampfox98

This has been posted and reposted, but never substantiated.


2 posted on 08/20/2004 1:05:52 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; StarCMC; Kathy in Alaska; bentfeather; MoJo2001; Bethbg79; tomkow6; ...

Another wonderful story of The President PING!

More of these stories keep coming out - how truly nice the Bushes are, and how loathsome the Socialists were.

But the anecdotes about Chelsea Clinton were a surprise, to me at least.


3 posted on 08/20/2004 1:07:22 PM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: swampfox98

I had the privilege of meeting Laura Bush in 2000 and spoke with her for about 5-10 minutes. She is the most gracious, serene, lovely woman I've ever met.

I was with our Senator and Mayor and they are more used to meeting people in her position than I am and they were overwhelmed by her presence.

Knowing that a younger George W. Bush chose her when he was a young man made me think more of HIM. Good judgement.


4 posted on 08/20/2004 1:07:50 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Beelzebubba

This is the first I've read this, B. But all the anecdotal evidence I've heard, corroborates this one.

Like I said, the Chelsea angle was news to me.


5 posted on 08/20/2004 1:09:13 PM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: swampfox98

A great deal of my respect and support for President Bush stems from his obvious pleasant nature and respect for others. You can see he really likes to meet people, especially those he knows. I like his politics more than Clinton, Gore or Kerry but what I really like is the man himself. I'm glad he's president.


6 posted on 08/20/2004 1:09:24 PM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: Beelzebubba

The name of the man who made the talk was Dick Sprowl. He is a live human being, and if this was a lie I would think he would follow up with a disclaimer. It sounds too much like the individuals involved to be false. Also, I remember hearing many of these things when Clinton was President.


7 posted on 08/20/2004 1:09:46 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: swampfox98
Just because I love this picture

8 posted on 08/20/2004 1:09:55 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: swampfox98

I have an association with someone who has an association with the White House. He has told me the same thing about Laura Bush and the President.

He says Laura Bush is the nicest lady he has ever met. He says everyone adores her. And, he has the greatest respect and liking for the President. He thinks of the President as a decent, kind man with loads of character.


9 posted on 08/20/2004 1:13:33 PM PDT by Naomi4
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To: Beelzebubba

Several years ago my ship was visiting the Bush family home in Maine; we hosted them onboard the ship one evening. They really all like this. I personally met all of them except W. His wife and daughters were on board as his father and mother. I have my picture with his father, which carries an offical White House photo number on it.


10 posted on 08/20/2004 1:14:41 PM PDT by wvnavyvet
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To: Beelzebubba

Most likely, people would lose their jobs if it were substantiated.


11 posted on 08/20/2004 1:14:43 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: RoseofTexas

"Just because I love this picture"

I would title this picture, "Resolute."


12 posted on 08/20/2004 1:15:10 PM PDT by Socratic (Yes, there is method in the madness.)
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To: Peach

He chose her?

Usually the other way around.

And, there's some truth to the story that a good woman will make a man better than he could ever hope to be on his own.


13 posted on 08/20/2004 1:15:20 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: Peach
Knowing that a younger George W. Bush chose her when he was a young man made me think more of HIM. Good judgement.

A woman can be a blessing to a man, if she is the right type of person. Definitely Laura is the right person for GW, and you can be sure they love each other dearly. With someone like Laura in your life you would try to be the best you could be.

Poor Bill Clinton! He got a horses patootie for a wife, didn't he?

14 posted on 08/20/2004 1:16:13 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: swampfox98

Exactly! LOL


15 posted on 08/20/2004 1:17:24 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: swampfox98

Thanks for posting this. I was okay until I started reading the comments about Mrs. Bush and the President. I'm now wiping tears from my eyes. Okay...call me a wuss, but I found it very touching. I'm allowed anyway...I'm an old lady.


16 posted on 08/20/2004 1:18:39 PM PDT by mass55th (We are The Knights Who Say "Ni!" No! Not The Knights Who Say "Ni!" The same!)
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To: Old Sarge

Great read Sarge, thanks. There's that pride thing again!


17 posted on 08/20/2004 1:18:55 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: RoseofTexas

OMG - haven't seen this picture since those terrible first few days after 9/11. It still brings me to tears, but thank you for posting it - we must never forget.


18 posted on 08/20/2004 1:18:56 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Old Sarge

An ex shipmate of mine had the honor of transfering to the whitehouse to work Reagans communications.

When he rotated back to our outfit he told us that Ronald Reagan was a genuinely nice and pleasant fellow who always went out of his way to chat with the regular folks, always remembered names and asked obout wives and kids.

We were all impressed and glad to be serving under such a man


19 posted on 08/20/2004 1:19:41 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Old Sarge
I always thought folks on the right were too rough on Chelsea, and I hated it when Rush and others took cheap shots at her. For one, she was just a kid with no control over who her parents were. It's tough growing up in that high profile situation - we've seen the Bush daughters embarrass their dad a time or two.
20 posted on 08/20/2004 1:21:42 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: RoseofTexas

Thanks for the picture. I will vote for Bush because he is the best man for the job. I don't like his lax immigration policy, but that is for another post. :-) As for his character, he stands head and shoulders above any DemonRat. I pray to God he wins, thens listens to me and my ideas about illegal immigration. I'm sure he will. :-)


21 posted on 08/20/2004 1:22:09 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: RoseofTexas

What was the occasion of that photo?


22 posted on 08/20/2004 1:22:30 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Naomi4
I have met them both and they are both people you would feel perfectly comfortable with at a backyard BBQ.

What I feel most comfortable with is their accents.

23 posted on 08/20/2004 1:25:22 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: swampfox98

Ok, so who's going to go over and post this in the dumpster? I can't afford to get tombstoned as I'm angling to become a moderator ....


24 posted on 08/20/2004 1:27:46 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: mass55th
Thanks for posting this.

You're very welcome. It struck me that way too, as I know how nasty and vile most of the Democrats are. I believe we are fortunate in having GW, (with his faults and warts too). His stand on abortion and marriage should make every Christian in the nation vote for him. But did you realize that 24 million "so called" Christians are not even registered? Shameful.

25 posted on 08/20/2004 1:28:16 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: swampfox98

Edwards is right. There are two Americas. The ones that want to keep America great and those that want to tear it apart. This story proves it.


26 posted on 08/20/2004 1:28:27 PM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: mylife

I have the pleasure of knowing some Marines who worked on HMX. They worked for Bush 41 and Clinton. They told stories of often playing basketball with Qualye in the hangar. They were often invited to barbecues with the President where they were treated like family. He loved playing horshoes with them. They said they felt the President and the 1st Lady just wanted to be around them, that they truly enjoyed their company. When Clinton took office, it was a 180.


27 posted on 08/20/2004 1:29:03 PM PDT by Patriot32
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To: Beelzebubba
This has been posted and reposted, but never substantiated.

I can substantiate that the Marines the protected Camp David despised the Clintons an Gores. Heard it from their mouths regularly while stationed at Marine Barracks, Wash. DC. The ones that were there during the Bush41 era had nothing but good things to say about the elder Bushs. In fact, they said that on several occasions Barbara Bush grabbed the cooks at Camp David and would bring heaping trays of fresh chocolate chip cookies over to the Marine house. Can' verify it happened. The were convincing, though.

28 posted on 08/20/2004 1:30:45 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: sphinx

LOL I thought the same thing. Just pretend this post doesn't exist - nor does swampfox98, that ornery old trouble maker.


29 posted on 08/20/2004 1:30:49 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

I think it was taken during the Olympic Games in Utah as the WTC flag was raised. Anyone confirm?


30 posted on 08/20/2004 1:31:17 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: swampfox98; Beelzebubba; All

. . . most of these insights are corroborated in Ronald Kessler's EXCELLENT new book, "A Matter of Character: Inside the White House of George W Bush."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1595230009/ref=pd_ts_b_20/103-5544354-3132660?v=glance&s=books&n=1000


31 posted on 08/20/2004 1:36:48 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: swampfox98

A friend of mine has close relatives who are with the sherrif's dep. in Phoenix. They had the chance to talk to Kerry's security detail and they asked them what they thought of him. They CAN'T STAND the man. He is much like Hillary Clinton was, won't allow them to talk to him, or anything and he treats them like crap. That is what COULD BE!! (shudder) But of course, won't I hope!


32 posted on 08/20/2004 1:41:18 PM PDT by curlewbird
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To: swampfox98
My nephew is a National Park's law enforcement officer. Recently he spent a week with Laura Bush and several friends in Glacier national Park, He said she, and her friends could not have been more frinedly and kind. He sent me several pictures taken of him with the group.
33 posted on 08/20/2004 1:41:34 PM PDT by Pepper's_Paw
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To: swampfox98
Wow, Talk about being a witness to History, a 44 year long career with the Secret Service.

Amazing, what a Life to be living.

34 posted on 08/20/2004 1:41:39 PM PDT by pete anderson
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To: Old Sarge

BTTT!!!!!!


35 posted on 08/20/2004 1:50:54 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: swampfox98
What makes this all believable is that I know the people of west Texas. They are, on the whole, a very good, kind, and respectful bunch of folks.

I grew up in Oklahoma and lived in Ft. Worth, Dallas and Houston over the years. Despite the football rivalrys between Ok and Texas, Texans are good people.

36 posted on 08/20/2004 1:51:14 PM PDT by narby (Bush: Genuine F-102 Fighter Jock)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

That picture was taken at last winter Olympics. A man of character!


37 posted on 08/20/2004 1:56:03 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: swampfox98

ping


38 posted on 08/20/2004 1:58:28 PM PDT by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Just like the military can't speak ill about the CinC, I'm sure the SS presidential security detail has even higher standards.


39 posted on 08/20/2004 1:59:11 PM PDT by ampat
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To: swampfox98

I had a conversation once with someone who was neighbors with a member of AF1 flight crew under 41 & 42. They said 41 and Barbara were very kind, punctual, and did their best not to take advantage of them during holidays, etc, when they could be off with their own families. Total opposite with 42. Couldn't care less about being on time or whether or not the crew had a life.


40 posted on 08/20/2004 2:07:46 PM PDT by Lacey
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To: swampfox98

PING.
Damned evil lying Democrats!


41 posted on 08/20/2004 2:08:45 PM PDT by Ramonan (You never get something for nothing.)
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To: swampfox98
Al Gore: "Do you want to be like THEM"?

Note to Al: Do you remember what a Secret Service man named Tim McCarthy did? Do you, you son of a bitch. He turned, deliberately to take a bullet meant for the greatest President. He did that because he had no time to shot the assasin. Mr. Gore you don't have the guts to lead a cub scout pack. Don't get within 12 miles of the White House, you are a coward. I would be the proudest father if my son was a Secret Service Agent, and if he was assingned to the President I would be bursting my buttons with pride.

Thank you God for 500 and some odd votes in FLA. This man is a disaster waiting for a place to happen.

42 posted on 08/20/2004 2:17:36 PM PDT by timydnuc ("Give me Liberty, or give me death"!)
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To: swampfox98

Wait'll Liveshot gets elected. What is it with Democrat egomaniacs anyway?


43 posted on 08/20/2004 2:30:32 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Imagine whirl peas)
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To: swampfox98
This looks like a good place to post this info gleaned from the Independent Counsel's supplemental documents:

The Guards Speak

When Americans think of the Secret Service, we generally picture the stern men and women with earpieces and business suits who flank the President in public. Their professionalism and dedication to duty call them, if necessary, to place themselves between the President and bodily harm. A slightly less glamorous role is played by the Uniformed Division of the Secret Service. These are the uniformed officers who guard posts in and around the White House and other locations when the President is present. These Uniformed Officers see a lot from their posts and they certainly had tales to tell the Independent Counsel. Here are their stories.

Uniformed Secret Service Officer Steven Pape offers a snapshot of Monica Lewinsky’s people skills as she huffed and puffed her way through the Southwest Gate of the White House to meet with Bill Clinton. We begin at page 3259:

"Q: Did you ever see her at the Southwest Gate?

A: Well, yeah, plenty of times I saw her at the Southwest Gate.

Q: All right. And how many times do you think you saw her at the Southwest Gate?

A: Mmmmm-- minimum of two, probably three, and I would say up to at least 10 times I personally cleared her in.

..............

Q: Okay. And when did you see Monica Lewinsky last summer [1997]?

A: I believe one was July 14th and the other was August 16th.

Q: Tell us about July 14, 1997. What happened that day? Where were you posted?

A: My normal post would be the Southwest Gate. And again, I've dealt with her so many times. I think one time it was a blistering summer day she had come up. Humidity was about 100 percent. It was hot. We knew who she was.

..............

Q: Is there a trailer or some kind of a, you know, enclosure that you were in at the Southwest Gate?

A: It's a booth. It's a police booth.

Q: Is it air-conditioned?

A: It works on and off......It was close to 90 degrees. Humidity was about 100. She had come up, walked from the Ellipse. She was sweating pretty much profusely, very impatient, and that she was here for an appointment for the President.

I asked for her driver's license or government ID, as I ask everybody for. She gave it to me, checked it in the WAVE system, the computer system. She was not in. I informed her that she needs to call a staff member to clear her in.

And I can't remember. I may have called Betty Currie that day or not. Lots of times, if it's an appointment for the President, I take an extra step and call-- say, if it was for the President, I would call Betty and say, you know, ‘This person is not cleared in. Could you please clear her in?’

At which point, I remember, in my notes I made an annotation, ‘Monica is not cleared in again.’

Q: That had happened before?

A: Yeah. It's kind of-- for us, it's kind of irritating, because it puts the pressure on us, because it's an appointment for the President. And when they're not in the system, it just-- you know, you want to get the presidential appointments in quick.

Q: Did she say she was there to see the President of Betty Currie?

A: She-- she was always there to see the President.

..............

Q: What did you do?

A: Like I said, I may have called Betty and said, you know, whatever. Or Betty, lots of times, would call down to me and say, ‘Could you please let her in?’

And I don't know if it happened on this date or other dates, but the-- I mean, I can remember several conversations with Ms. Currie, that ‘I can break a lot of rules for you, but that's the one rule I can't break. I mean, they've got to be in the system before I can bring them into the complex.’

..............

Q: Do you remember anything else about that day? Indicating with your hand waving at your face?

A: Yeah. ‘I'm hot. Well, can't I just wait in your booth?’ You never let somebody wait in your booth, because if they're an appointment, they're not allowed into the complex until they're cleared.

I remember, like I said, she was sweating. I mean, lots of sweat on her dress, down her back, in her-- this area (indicating).

Q: Indicating your chest. Go ahead.

A: Correct. Her hair, when a woman's hair, in high humidity-- it was frizzled. And she waited, I would guess, 10, maybe 15 minutes in the heat.

And by the time the appointment finally came up and was in the system, and she went up to see the President, or Betty, it looked like she went a couple rounds with Mohammed Ali or something. She just-- she looked terrible. But again, I mean, I was going by the regulations.

.....On one of those occasions, you know, she's-- you know, she basically, like indirectly threatens you: "Do you know who I'm going to see?" You know. "What is he going to say if, you know, I'm late and he's waiting for me?"

Q: Did she say things like that to you?

A: Yes, she would. And obviously, if somebody kind of makes a veiled threat like that, and the person who they're going to tell is the President of the United States, you take notice of it.

..............

Q: Okay. Do you remember anything with respect to the August 16, 1997, visit with respect to Betty Currie and what she was wearing that day, or anything that happened that day with respect to her?

A: Correct. Betty drove in her-- I believe she drove in her van that day. It looked like she was rushed, like she was just coming in. She was in a sweatsuit outfit. And normally, Betty is super professional, dressed to a tee-- I mean, the way she should, I mean. Saturdays, you didn't expect to see her in sweats.

She came in, just minutes before Monica and walked up. And, after [Monica's] appointment was completed, where she went to Betty Currie's office, then what I'm assuming to be the President afterwards, when he came down to the-- from the residence, Betty left shortly, like right after-- right after they were gone.

Q: Right after--

A: Right after-- right after Monica completed her appointment, Betty was out of there, like the only reason she was there was for this appointment, to be there.

[Query: How upset would you be if your boss called you on a Saturday and told you to come into the office so he could “minister” to his mistress? Incredible!]

At page 3262, Pape next related that he was training a younger officer, Robert Myrick, on August 16th when Monica slogged up to the Southwest Gate:

"A: And I had told him, as I had seen her coming up from the Ellipse, who she was, and I advised him to always go by the book: ‘Don’t do any special favors, especially don't let her in unless she's cleared in, because someday this is going to come back on us, so always do it by the book.’

I explained-- I basically said that, ‘This is probably the President's mistress, so treat her, you know, decent, but again, don't break the rules for her.’

And after she left our post and went up to the West Wing offices, I said, ‘And now watch. The President will come down within two minutes.’ And he still was incredulous that the President would have a mistress. And I said, ‘This is the way it normally happens. As soon as she comes in, within minutes, he comes down, because he's usually late.’.....And the officer said, quote, ‘Well, I don't believe it.’ He says, ‘I'll give you ten minutes, and I betcha he still won't move,’ because it was-- you know, it was an early Saturday morning or something.

And I almost lost the bet. It was nine minutes and 40 or 50 seconds before-- before he came down for that appointment.”

Officer Myrick described the same encounter thusly at page 4011 of his testimony: “Q: Okay. Tell us about the incident.

A: Okay. She approached the gate and Officer Pape looked at me and said, ‘Do you know who that is?’

And I said, ‘No, I don't.’

And he said, ‘That's the President's--’ He didn't say anything, he just made a motion with his face.

And I said, ‘What are you talking about?’ And he did the same facial expression.

And I said, ‘You're kidding me.’ And he said, ‘You'll see.’ And that was basically about the gist of that. Also, he said, ‘Well, the President will be moving in about ten minutes.’

So it was kind of like a bet, because she was here. And after that ten minutes, the President moved to another location from where he was.

Q: Where had he been?

A: In the residence.

Q: And where did he move to?

A: To the West Wing.

Q: And did he do that within ten minutes?

A: In ten to fifteen minutes, yes.

Q: And was there actually a bet placed on this?

A: No.”

We return to Officer Pape

“Q: Do you remember whether, on either of those summer occasions, Monica Lewinsky-- last summer, 1997-- brought any gifts to the White House?

A: Yes. On one of those occasions, she had a gift. It was gift-wrapped. It had a bow or something around it, to-- I remember, I didn't want to unwrap it, because it was for the President......Normally, you're supposed to have a TSD agent come down and personally inspect it.

Q: TSD. What is that?

A: Technical Services Division of the Secret Service.

Q: And they would check the packages for?

A: Any gifts going to the President, they take a special interest in, and they like to check before it goes to him.

Q: But they did not come? You did not request them?

A: I didn't request them.

Q: Because?

A: My attitude, as I said before was, ‘Well, I know basically her status. I know where she goes. There hasn't been a problem in the past.’

And if she was going to do any harm to the President, after I looked at the X-ray-- I did X-ray it, and there was nothing metal, connecting wires, or anything-- I said she would do the-- you know, it would be something along the lines of Lorena Bobbit, if she was going to hurt him, and that I couldn't stop. And that's what was going through my mind.

44 posted on 08/20/2004 2:49:23 PM PDT by dukeman
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To: swampfox98; All

OHH SWEET about Both Bushies 41 and 43
Rack ittt

I can imagine Dubya cooking Texas BBQ Laura helping out Barney running around chasing squirrels outside


45 posted on 08/20/2004 3:20:44 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: dukeman

Good Grief! Wonder how many have forgotten those "good old days"? Yuck. What a national disgrace the Democrats are.


46 posted on 08/20/2004 3:51:14 PM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: swampfox98

Shocking, isn't it? I'm sure the professional, career staff of the White House must have felt like the adults were back in charge when the Bushes moved in.


47 posted on 08/20/2004 8:13:01 PM PDT by dukeman
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To: dukeman

Imagine if the SS has to deal with Theresa? She will make Hillary look like Annie.


48 posted on 08/20/2004 8:27:04 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache; All

You know what I hear about Dubya

Before the night of swearing in when he was at Blair House he ask for Nanchos and salsa for snack they didn't have it so Dubya I Hear went down to grocery store and bought the stuff himself

WITH HIS OWN MONEY


49 posted on 08/20/2004 8:57:14 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: lonestar

What accents?


50 posted on 08/20/2004 9:03:28 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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