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Soldier with Kerry in '68 says he earned first medal
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | August 16, 2004 | Bill Sloat

Posted on 08/21/2004 6:27:02 AM PDT by John Jorsett

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To: Baynative

You can change that. Look in the upper right-hand corner, there should be the words 'full' and 'breif'. Click on 'full'.


61 posted on 08/21/2004 8:18:12 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://No,www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: John Jorsett

Isn't this one of the guys that Kerry is shipping all over the country? The story tries to give the image that he just came forward.


62 posted on 08/21/2004 8:22:24 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://No,www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: kabar

Okay, let's put it this way: First Purple Heart approved on February 28th, 1969. Second Purple Heart approved March 5th. Third Purple Heart approved April 17th. That's a total of 3 Purple Hearts approved within a 49 day period. Not to mention the fact that he actually left Vietnam 3 weeks before the 3rd Purple Heart was even approved.


63 posted on 08/21/2004 8:26:42 AM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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To: John Jorsett
he has no doubt Kerry was grazed in a firefight and deserves his first Purple Heart for a combat injury

This is really very funny. He has no doubt Kerry was grazed in a firefight. How many other people have ever gotten a purple heart for being "grazed"? How many would even ask for one?

64 posted on 08/21/2004 8:29:36 AM PDT by knuthom
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Last night on Scarborough, he had Gardner on the show. Gardner admitted that he was the one that shot the Man and Son after the boat came up on them. He stated it was Kerry's fault because Kerry was supposed to be manning the radar and should have detected the boat of the dead man 500 yards away and they could have set out warning flairs before they got up on them. I believe it was Si Pan incident? He also stated that he has the Official After Action Report, absent Kerry's signature, but with full details of SB-44 which could have only been written by Kerry, being he was the commander of that boat and the only one that writes after action reports for that boat. The report indicated 4 VC were killed. Not true. I can't find the transcript on MSNBC. I believe they are trying to hide the info.
Hurley was speechless when Gardner presented this info.


65 posted on 08/21/2004 8:32:48 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: John Jorsett
Somehow, Kerry's weapon stopped firing. Runyon thinks he ran out of ammunition. He said Kerry bent down to pick up another gun and got hit in the arm.
"It wasn't a serious wound," Runyon said, and Kerry was able to start shooting again. When the firefight was over, Runyon said Kerry told him all he felt was a "burning sensation."
Runyon said he remembers the incident clearly because it was the first time he had been in combat. "I hadn't seen any kind of action or anything," he said.

Two points.
1. Hanoi John’s “wound” was caused by shrapnel from an M-79 grenade. The “weapon” he used.
2. His first time in combat - so he didn’t know the difference between outgoing and incoming fire. He heard a lot of bangs, and like a lot of newbies freaked.
66 posted on 08/21/2004 8:34:03 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: mass55th

Agreed and not a day of hospitalization. Kerry must have been the luckiest man in Vietnam or the biggest fraud. I tend to think the latter is the case.


67 posted on 08/21/2004 8:35:14 AM PDT by kabar
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To: over3Owithabrain
I can't believe y'all can't see where this is headed - the press is going to shred the Swifties

The press is going to TRY to shred the Swifties just as they are going TRY to shred any effective supporter of Dubya. More signifcantly they are going to IGNORE the issues. They are going to IGNORE any claims of success in Iraq or improvement to the economy.

O'Neill is a great ally. Thank God for him.

68 posted on 08/21/2004 8:37:48 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: DustyMoment
The wound was so minor, the Dr. who treated him THE NEXT DAY only felt it needed nothing more than a band-aid and a lollypop.

So minor, in fact, that he was able to spend "Christmas in Cambodia" later that month. :o)

69 posted on 08/21/2004 8:40:25 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: kabar; John Jorsett; VadeRetro; Baynative
Hmmmm...
According to Kerry's own description in Douglas Brinkley's Tour of Duty, the Dec. 2, 1968, mission behind what he has claimed to be his first Purple Heart was "a half-assed action that hardly qualified as combat."

70 posted on 08/21/2004 8:42:13 AM PDT by hobson
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To: John Jorsett
Meanwhile, the sampan's crew steered it to the riverbank, and people started running on the shore. Runyon said shooting broke out.

Nice use of the passive voice there. I've seen a few different versions of this story, and most skirt the 'enemy fire' angle, like this one. Just from what is stated above, it is still completely possible that the swifty story is true. Kerry fired his rifle until it jammed, then fired the M79 grenade launcher and accidentally wounded himself by using it 'danger close'.

The passive voice 'things happened' style is often used to create impressions of things or to conceal the actors involved.

Just because there is a lot of shooting and moving doesn't mean that you are actually in contact with anybody. Large firefights with nobody happens all the time. One sentry makes a mistake, and next thing you know the whole unit is firing like wild. The article here seems to be either ignorant of that common battlefield occurance, or willing to let it slide to further their version.

71 posted on 08/21/2004 8:50:30 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Don't make me roll initiative...!)
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I wonder if this guy is allowed to do interviews without first asking Kerry for permission, and if there was quid pro quo here.
72 posted on 08/21/2004 8:50:54 AM PDT by dano1
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To: kabar
he decided to leave because he could be more effective in stopping the war being in the US.

When Hanoi John first returned to CONUS and got his early out to campaign for the Senate, he ran as a war hero - like his hero, John Kennedy.
He didn’t realize at the time that Massachusetts at that time was anti-war. He failed miserably and had to drop out of the race. That is when he suddenly became an rabid anti-war, pro-Hanoi activist. It would be good for his political hopes.
73 posted on 08/21/2004 8:53:21 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: kabar
It was approved on February 28, 1969

The date of the orders doesn’t really come into it.
I was hit on or about 23 February 1968.
The orders were cut 28 May 1968.
I received the award sometime in 1969.
74 posted on 08/21/2004 8:59:33 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

You are correct about Kerry's political conversion, but he gave a different rationale to Brinkley. It shows what a slimeball and opportunist he really is.


76 posted on 08/21/2004 9:00:15 AM PDT by kabar
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To: John Jorsett
The Kerry campaign is desperately trying to shake the trees and scrub brush for ANY corroboration of Kerry's deserving ANY medal...

Any day we can expect one of John Kerry childhood friends to emerge and talk about the time Kerry "heroically took a icy snowball to the head during a hostile neighborhood snowball fight."

77 posted on 08/21/2004 9:01:57 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: over3Owithabrain
...the press is going to shred the Swifties

They're certainly going to TRY to do so, but times have changed. Their once omnipotent powers to hynotize and brainwash the masses has waned tremendously due to "the new media".

You could've used a lot less verbage in your post if you had simply typed "Nothing to see here. Move on." I don't believe the Swift Boat Veterans for TRUTH plan to just move on and back down. F'n's Vietnam issue is highly relevant because it says everything about his lack of character, leadership and morals. He has truly proven to be UNFIT FOR COMMAND.

One more thing: "He said, he said" was the case in other meaningful instances of Politicians vs. The People. For example: Deep Throat vs. President Richard Nixon. Thongica Blewinski vs. BJ "Is" Clinton. Pantstuffer Berger vs. National Archives Monitors. McImagayamerican vs. Israeli Loverboy. These things are only "he said, he/she said" until the verifiable truth emerges. If the truth in F'n's case is to his benefit, all he has to do to stop the "he said, he said" is provide the documents that will prove it. He refuses to do that. (He probably wants another Purple Heart for being verbally wounded.)

78 posted on 08/21/2004 9:04:15 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: kabar

Yep.


80 posted on 08/21/2004 9:06:10 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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