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Bush ‘riots’ may backfire on Kerry
The Sunday Times ^ | August 22, 2004 | Tony Allen-Mills

Posted on 08/21/2004 4:43:05 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: MadIvan
Democratic officials are keeping their distance from a potentially explosive grassroots upheaval

Like the anti-war demonstrations and groups of the 60s, there nothing grassroot about this.

41 posted on 08/21/2004 6:11:11 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: MadIvan

I'm still not certain how extreme the protesters are going to be.

To give an example note the Democrat convention. They became so mobilzed by fear that a 'Wellstone' would break out they largely muzzled their members. They had moments when the real soul of the party shone through but it was rather a forgettable event.

Well, here we have the same dilemma. The protesters hate Bush, America, God and freedom. It is natural for them to act out by destroying all they hate. But, will fear temper their antics like it did their convention? Will fear it will benefit Bush muzzle them to an extent?

Either way I believe we'll benefit though I admit I wouldn't mind a fight. A part of me is hoping they go all the way to show the world who they really are and whom they are representing.


42 posted on 08/21/2004 6:12:29 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: musicman; Mo1; Howlin; backhoe; Mia T; Texasforever
Well,we know who funds A.N.S.W.E.R. and some other groups. Terry Heinz Kerry's TIDES foundation funds some of these groups,as does Soros.

I don't have the list,but someone here must.Hang on and let's see what others post.

hey guys and gals....can any of you post a list for musicman,of the Dem connections to those who'll probably be protesting the GOP Convention? THANKS! :-)

43 posted on 08/21/2004 6:12:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MadIvan

One of them made a cameo appearance this morning, at the start of a training session for convention volunteers.

While we were sitting in the lobby area (at Pace University), near a big sign on an easel -- the sign announcing that this was the training session for the GOP convention -- some little crap weasel ran up right next to me and slapped a "Bush Lied, People Died" sticker on the sign.

It was still early in the morning (well, early for me) and I called him an a-hole and quickly pulled off the sticker and chucked it.


44 posted on 08/21/2004 6:14:46 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Kerry is a Sitzpinkler!)
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To: Senator Pardek
In a park nearby another man, inexplicably attired in a red minidress...

"Inexplicably"?

Mind you - this is the Lower East Side.

Was that you -- after you left your metrosexual hair-do place?

45 posted on 08/21/2004 6:18:04 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Kerry is a Sitzpinkler!)
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To: MadIvan

You know, it'd be funny if every one who worked in the buildings along the path of the march took a dozen eggs to work with them and unloaded when the freaks started spouting off.


46 posted on 08/21/2004 6:19:58 PM PDT by SCHROLL (Liberalism isn't a political philosphy - it's a mental illness)
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To: 3catsanadog
And don't forget the marbles they plan on throwing under the police horses' feet.

During the anti-war riots in NYC last year, some of them actually *punched* the police horses in their faces!

47 posted on 08/21/2004 6:20:55 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Kerry is a Sitzpinkler!)
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To: MadIvan

How the hell are they "Bush riots?"


48 posted on 08/21/2004 6:21:36 PM PDT by Petronski ("Where one burns books, one eventually burns people." ---Heinrich Heine)
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To: MadIvan; secretagent

"Despite evidence that the veterans group is politically motivated and that several members have lied or contradicted themselves, the affair has swamped the Democratic campaign."

This is a sign that the Kerry disinformation is gaining traction.


49 posted on 08/21/2004 6:31:59 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Ah, for a fair and balanced investigation, in fact many investigations, where one misstatement of fact about one day wouldn't mean dismissal of SBVT's entire list of claims, as intend the pro-Kerry media.
50 posted on 08/21/2004 6:46:44 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: MadIvan
Once again, where to start?

"a potentially explosive grassroots upheaval that may prove to be dangerously counterproductive for Senator John Kerry...

Uh Huh, Grass Roots, Riiiight!

"A bestselling book by the...SBVT has accused Kerry of lying about several key incidents during his service and denounced him for “betraying” fellow veterans when he turned against the war..."

Bitch all you want about who said what - try to deny that Kerry betrayed his fellow veterans for political gains to himself and to the North Vietnamese!

Heavily financed by Republican sympathisers close to Bush, the group has also produced a television advertisement that appears to have provoked a sharp decline in support for Kerry among veterans. A second attacking Kerry’s post-war record was unveiled on Friday."

Yeah, well, the first came from his peers and members of his squadron who had to deal with his antics in real time and in a God #&*%d war! The second comes from US Pisoners of War, the very people who were directly effected by Kerry/Fonda's treason. [Even before the rest of us took the hit]

" Kerry filed a formal complaint to stop the advertisements this weekend, claiming the SBVT has been acting as a front for the Bush campaign."

Sniff, whimper, snivel, call my lawier(s). "it's not fair when they do to us what we've been doing tho them for months, and months, and..."

" Despite evidence that the veterans group is politically motivated and that several members have lied or contradicted themselves, the affair has swamped the Democratic campaign. "

Note here that there are no, none, nada, zero, politically motivated groups being funded by Soros/Heinz et al that might actually want JFK to win this election, they are all just expressing their opinions.

Note also that Dem's do NOT lie, they might parse, maybe misremember or misstate, but they do NOT lie - it's in the bylaws and accepted by all major news outlets.

Oh, and the Dems are being swamped all right, but it ain't anybody's fault but theirs...watch out for the October surprise/candidate swap.

Finally, things seem to come full circle in a hurry these days, all this pre-convention posturing and threatening is being generated at..."St Mark’s church where more than 150 radical political activists had gathered last week to compare notes on a packed agenda..."

Sound a little bit like Najaf??

51 posted on 08/21/2004 6:52:14 PM PDT by norton (sorry, up to the reader to discern sarcasm from just plain pi$$'d!)
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To: SCHROLL

"...eggs to work with them and unloaded when the freaks started spouting off."

They could call it "New York confetti."


52 posted on 08/21/2004 6:55:34 PM PDT by Socratic (Yes, there is method in the madness.)
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To: secretagent

If the protestors rampage like the animals in the Seattle WTO protests several years ago, breaking windows etc., it will help Bush for sure.


53 posted on 08/21/2004 7:01:34 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: MadIvan
Both men later appeared in St Mark’s church

Ah yes. St. Mark's "Church" is one of the centers of leftist nutjob activity in Manhattan.

You probably won't be surprised to know it's also one of Manhattan's few remaining homeless hot spots.

54 posted on 08/21/2004 7:02:14 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
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To: MadIvan
This article has been posted to DoctorZin’s New News Blog!


55 posted on 08/21/2004 8:18:27 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: MadIvan
Both men later appeared in St Mark’s church where more than 150 radical political activists had gathered last week to compare notes on a packed agenda of marches, rallies and protests timed to coincide with Bush’s arrival in Manhattan for next week’s Republican convention.

I'm irked that a church was used for their conniving.

56 posted on 08/21/2004 8:25:42 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind ("I will never relent in bringing justice to our enemies..." - President Bush)
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To: Rokke
I've seen NO evidence any of them have lied, and the only contridictions are coming from the Kerry campaign.

This part is in reference to the article in the Boston Globe where the reporter (who also wrote an introduction to Kerry's book & Kerry cleaned off his website) misquoted Elliot and he had to sent out another affidavit saying he hasn't changed his opinions

EVERY media/paper FAILS to mention that

57 posted on 08/21/2004 8:29:35 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Petronski
How the hell are they "Bush riots?"

click for another SAMPLE of the writers work and "leanings." IMO, the media has graduated from bias and slithered into propaganda.

58 posted on 08/21/2004 8:41:30 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Bias is not necessarily propaganda. HOWEVER, bias is necessary to propaganda.)
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To: areafiftyone

Area, are you suggesting another "hard hat" assault????


59 posted on 08/21/2004 8:43:03 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: nopardons
I don't have a list of all who will be protesting

My guess many will be from the same groups that tried to crash the RNC Convention in Philly back in 2000

I still remember the local news coverage and how these groups were being caught with all kinds of stuff before the convention
60 posted on 08/21/2004 8:49:14 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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