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Let them starve-Israel has no moral imperative to keep terrorists alive against their will.
Jerusalem Post ^ | 8-21-04 | EFRAIM INBAR

Posted on 08/21/2004 4:59:18 PM PDT by SJackson

Last week, the Palestinian "security prisoners" in Israeli jails launched a hunger strike. The Israel Prison Service decided to monitor any changes in the health of about 1,500 convicted terrorists. It plans to subject those participating in the hunger strike to medical examinations.

Physicians and paramedics were put on alert to offer medical service and, if needed, force-feed any prisoners whose lives might be in danger as a result of their hunger strike. The prison authorities also presented the incarcerated with a document, in Arabic, on the dangers involved in hunger striking.

This bureaucratic response went against the initial, intuitive reaction of Minister of Internal Security Tzahi Hanegbi to the strike, which was: "Let them starve."

His intuition may be right.

The term "security prisoners" is basically a euphemism for ideologically motivated murderers convicted of terrorist activities against Israelis. The purpose of their imprisonment is primarily to minimize their potential to harm Israelis.

No one really entertains any hope of seeing them repent or reform their murderous views as a result of their exposure to an Israeli prison facility. Jails rarely have this type of effect.

From what we know, the time spent in Israeli jails is used by the Palestinians for further indoctrination and improving the skills needed in terrorist activities.

Israeli prisons have been a breeding ground for the Palestinian national movement. Indeed, there have been any number of cases of released prisoners re-arrested for killing Jews.

Thus, if some of them decide to starve themselves to death while in prison, it would be foolish on Israel's part to prevent it. The alternative in many cases is the death of the prisoner after release, this time as a shaheed, after taking several Israeli lives besides his own.

Acts of suicide terror only prolong the conflict, while the early demise of such terrorists will serve to reduce the level of violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict – a precondition for stabilizing the tense relationship. The calculus of utility in allowing the prisoners to make good on their hunger threats is thus brutally clear.

The ethical considerations are somewhat less clear. Israel is responsible for the prisoners' lives and basic healthcare. But this is assuming they want to be healthy. If they decide to use their health as a weapon in the struggle against the Jews, Israel's obligation is void.

Seeing that many of these terrorists were ready to sacrifice their lives in the course of their actions against Israel, it makes little sense to claim that Israel has a moral imperative to keep them alive against their will. While the process of eliminating terrorists is bound by moral considerations, their self-elimination is less of a constraint for Israel.

A probable consequence of such a nonchalant attitude toward the hunger strikers would, paradoxically, save prisoners lives. But the posture adopted by the prison service limits the risks to the strikers, as it promises prompt intervention to save their lives when their health deteriorates. This only encourages their recklessness.

Hanegbi's opposite formula increases the uncertainty surrounding the continuation of a hunger strike, and this may serve as an incentive for its discontinuation, at least for the more rational prisoners. The fanatics will be less dissuaded, but their death is not something to be regretted.

That, indeed, is how prime minister Margaret Thatcher decided to respond in 1981 to a hunger strike by jailed IRA members. After six months and 10 deaths by willful starvation with no British concession in sight, the strike lost momentum. Its failure was one reason why part of the Irish nationalists gradually shifted from violence to the negotiating table.

The current hunger strike in Israel is motivated by several specific demands intended to ease communication between prisoners and the outside world – partly to better orchestrate terrorist attacks.

Yet its significance is primarily political. It is designed to regenerate and mobilize a tired Palestinian society. As the campaign around the security fence peters out, a new issue is needed to galvanize the Palestinian masses for the continuing violent struggle against Israel.

As a political and humanitarian issue, the prisoners create great resonance in the Palestinian street. Palestinian propagandists also understand well that children carrying pictures of their jailed fathers or brothers are an excellent public relations ploy.

Thus Israel has an interest in winning this round. After all, the conflict with the Palestinians will not be surmounted with one decisive blow but through incremental triumphs over time.

A tough Israeli stance, one that shows the hunger strikers they will make no gains, would further discourage the Palestinians, reinforcing the growing feeling that the latest wave of Palestinian violence has been a colossal failure.

The writer is professor of political studies at Bar-Ilan University and heads the Begin-Sadat (BESA) Center for Strategic Studies.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: goodriddance

1 posted on 08/21/2004 4:59:18 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

They'll get fed.

2 posted on 08/21/2004 5:00:03 PM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: SJackson

I think Israel should supply tapeworms for the fluckers.


3 posted on 08/21/2004 5:00:40 PM PDT by bikepacker67 (Sandy wasn't stuffing his socks, he was stuffing A sock.)
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To: SJackson

I hear a prisoner exchange program with Russia...

Israel sends them Palestinians, and Russia sends Israel whatever they want.

See how the Palestinians like Russian prisons.


4 posted on 08/21/2004 5:00:47 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: SJackson

Heard these creeps were sneakin food and sayin they were starvin.


5 posted on 08/21/2004 5:04:18 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: demnomo

You're right.

There's a video, on the Jerusalem Post site, showing Marwan Barghouti, their leader, sneaking a meal during the strike.


6 posted on 08/21/2004 5:08:16 PM PDT by ConservativeVoice
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To: SJackson

I have not heard much in the last few days about this subject.

Are the hunger strikers getting hungry yet? Are the barbecues outside their cells having any impact? Is anyone writing up a new palestinian terrorist diet plan book?

What is going on?


7 posted on 08/21/2004 5:10:15 PM PDT by Radix (John Kerry is finally not going to do a 180, especially when it comes to releasing his form 180!)
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To: SJackson

From a humanitarian perspective, all Israel needs to do is see to it that each prisoner has access to adequate nutrition and health care. If he chooses not to make use of them, that's his own private affair.


8 posted on 08/21/2004 5:26:42 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: SJackson

I agree witht he sentiment however, priveleges can be used as leverage against bad behavior.


9 posted on 08/21/2004 5:27:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: SJackson

Death Certificate

Name: Achmed bin Terrorist

Cause of Death: Anorexia Nervosa

10 posted on 08/21/2004 5:32:23 PM PDT by reg45
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To: SJackson

Let them die. If they want to kill themselves, it means more Jews get to live. Israel is under no moral obligation to keep anti-Semites alive against their will.


11 posted on 08/21/2004 5:38:11 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SJackson

the only good terrorist...is a dead terrorist....besides the smaller they are the less room they take up.....


12 posted on 08/21/2004 6:14:45 PM PDT by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: 1bigdictator; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2sheep; 7.62 x 51mm; A Jovial Cad; a_witness; adam_az; af_vet_rr; ..
They are not even "hunger striking." They are drinking liquids (like "Slim Fast") and sneaking food whenever they can get away with it.

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13 posted on 08/21/2004 7:15:49 PM PDT by Alouette (The IDF should develop a Prozac Bomb and blast the entire Middle East, including Israel.)
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To: SJackson; All

So what you call this prisoenr diet

South Beach diet or Low Carb diet

I don't think it is Slim Fast I think it is Ensure


14 posted on 08/21/2004 7:42:21 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: SJackson

Slip Ex-Lax into their drinking water.


15 posted on 08/21/2004 8:42:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: SJackson

My bet is that no more than one will die. The rest will stop playing "give us cell phones and Coca-Cola" when they get really hungry. I have fasted two weeks before, it is not that hard to do. But around 30 days or so they will get really hungry. They they will eat their shoes.


16 posted on 08/21/2004 11:20:44 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SJackson
No one really entertains any hope of seeing them repent or reform their murderous views as a result of their exposure to an Israeli prison facility. Jails rarely have this type of effect.

From what we know, the time spent in Israeli jails is used by the Palestinians for further indoctrination and improving the skills needed in terrorist activities.

Israeli prisons have been a breeding ground for the Palestinian national movement. Indeed, there have been any number of cases of released prisoners re-arrested for killing Jews.

Thus, if some of them decide to starve themselves to death while in prison, it would be foolish on Israel's part to prevent it.

At long last in this article....BINGO! It is damnably weak on Israel's part to show worry about it. If they want to starve, let them.

But wait, the Jews in Palestine and most famously aboard the "Exodus" started a hunger strike and depended on the world-wide media to back them. Those Jews wanted only their own state......

The Palestinians try to copy old Jewish methods, and the world media has certainly shifted sides. But there's a real difference. The grab bag of assorted ethnic groups called the Palestinians are parasites. According to Mark Twain and others, Palestine was desolate in the 1880s. The land would revert to shambles without the Jews that built the area into the finest example of agriculture, industry and technology in the whole Middle East and that in an area the size of New Jersey. I suppose that is the 'unforgiveable sin' to the Arabs, it shows up their own failures so plainly.

The Israelis should pull a "Thatcher" and just ignore their publicity plays, and tell the media to go to hell.

17 posted on 08/22/2004 12:05:40 AM PDT by xJones
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To: SJackson

You dough heads!

They are only going to "starve" during the daylight hours.

When the sun goes down, it's chow down time.

Just like fasting on Ramadan, you only go hungry when the sun is shining.


18 posted on 08/22/2004 12:33:34 AM PDT by RonHolzwarth ("History repeats itself - first as tragedy, then as farce" - Karl Marx)
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To: SJackson

Sealed up long enough, they'd start eating each other.


19 posted on 08/22/2004 3:30:36 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!! Molon Labe.)
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To: SJackson

A hunger strike on their own terms, with eating at night?
LOL. And the media buys this?


20 posted on 08/22/2004 3:40:59 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: SJackson
On the one hand, I hate to see them actually starve and become martyrs while in Israeli custody, because that supplies valuable propaganda for the Palestinian recruitment efforts.

OTOH, if the prisoners are truly shahids, IE they have publicly expressed their intent to be homicide bombers or gunmen, they know they will be dishonored if they do not die and in the process cause some harm to Israel. Better that they fulfill their commitment where they cannot take innocent lives with them. Maybe they'll get a couple of virgins for being poster boys. If they live and are later released, Islam and the PA will not allow them to renounce their former pledge to become shahids.

21 posted on 08/22/2004 5:05:03 AM PDT by Sender (I didn't leave cookays. I left him cheeese.)
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To: Sender
I hate to see them actually starve

Don't lie awake at nights. They aren't really "fasting." They are drinking liquids (like "Slim Fast and "Ensure") and night time doesn't count. That's when they stuff their faces.

I found this letter in the "Jerusalem Post."

Veggie burgers for hunger strikers?

Sir, - I am deeply disturbed that Israel's Prison Service is planning on holding barbecues in hopes that the aroma of dead flesh will entice Palestinian prisoners to break their avowed hunger strike ("Prisoners' hunger strike picks up speed," August 19). I urge officials to consider alternative, nonviolent methods. Innocent animals raised for food are incarcerated their entire lives on factory farms in filthy, overcrowded conditions. They undergo debeaking, dehorning and castration without painkillers and are often skinned or dismembered at slaughterhouses while still conscious. One of the largest slaughterhouses in the US, which supplies chicken to KFC, was compared to Abu Ghraib in the Los Angeles Times. By tempting prisoners with the products of this bloody industry prison officials are encouraging a cruel indifference to all forms of pain and suffering, which can only incite more violence. On August 17, PETA wrote to Yaakov Ganot, Director of the National Prison Authority, offering an alternative: If prison officials feel they have exhausted all avenues for constructive negotiations and believe they have no recourse but to resort to tempting prisoners with food, PETA will supply the prisons, as a gift, with 3,800 kosher vegetarian burgers for a more humane barbecue - one veggie burger for every security prisoner - in hopes that this will inspire a more peaceful resolution to the current prison crisis.
PHILIP SCHEIN
PETA
Hampton, Virginia

I just learned something new. KFC puts panties on chickens heads.

22 posted on 08/22/2004 7:04:45 AM PDT by Alouette (The IDF should develop a Prozac Bomb and blast the entire Middle East, including Israel.)
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To: SJackson

Let's not forget the hunger strike among IRA prisoners...the death of Bobby Sands...in Northern Ireland. Hopefully, Britain will remain silent on this issue. If not, and they throw mud at Israel, they should receive some of the same.


23 posted on 08/22/2004 7:08:37 AM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey
Lady Thatcher stood her ground and refused to give in to the IRA. Not only Bobby Sands but at least 10 other IRA terrorists starved themselves to death, and the rest saw they were getting nowhere, so they quit.

The PA "hunger strike" is not even a real fast like the IRA's. They are sneaking food while claiming to be "fasting" kind of like "Ramadan."

24 posted on 08/22/2004 7:58:35 AM PDT by Alouette (The IDF should develop a Prozac Bomb and blast the entire Middle East, including Israel.)
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To: Alouette

Exactly so. Lady Thatcher meant what she said and that was that. This Palestinian charade doesn't compare to the horror of those times in Northern Ireland and Britain. I speak of the present hunger strike, not the violence, which is every bit as evil and deadly. Well, the ends justify the means. That's what it's all about, and in the meantime, Arafat gulls hapless followers into killing themselves while he squirrels billions away in Switzerland. The difference here, as you point out, is that with Muslims, they'll lie, cheat, and steal to achieve their ends. It's more of Falluhah and Najif and every other time we had them in our sights and they promised peace. Not going to happen, and GW needs to kick serious ass before Muslims get it worldwide.


25 posted on 08/22/2004 9:09:21 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Alouette
I just learned something new. KFC puts panties on chickens heads.

ROFL! And I just participated in the cycle of violence by eating some tasty hot wings too.

26 posted on 08/22/2004 11:40:18 AM PDT by Sender (I didn't leave cookays. I left him cheeese.)
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To: SevenofNine
I think it is Ensure...

LOL, ....a wit.

27 posted on 08/23/2004 11:33:37 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: Alouette; hershey

It's interesting that the names of the other ten men who starved along with Bobby Sands have largely been forgotten. The first shahid will be considered a "tragedy"; the rest will be statistics.


28 posted on 08/23/2004 11:40:30 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: happygrl
The first shahid will be considered a "tragedy"; the rest will be statistics.

There won't be any starvation deaths on this "hunger strike." Maybe somebody will choke to death while trying to scarf a sandwich.

29 posted on 08/23/2004 12:26:48 PM PDT by Alouette (The IDF should develop a Prozac Bomb and blast the entire Middle East, including Israel.)
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