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Dole Blasts Kerry on Purple Hearts, Urges Apology for War Protests
NewsMax.com ^ | 8/22/04 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 08/22/2004 10:54:07 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

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To: NicknamedBob

Lets see how the MSM spins this one. All along they've pumped the liberal line that said if you didn't see combat you had no standing to criticize Kerry. Now we see Mr. "Damn Straight I Saw Combat", Senator Dole, coming out and nailing Kerry's gnarly hide to the barn door!

Your move MSM. BWAAHAAAHHAAAAA!


101 posted on 08/22/2004 11:45:49 AM PDT by SteelTrap
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To: Carl/NewsMax

John McCain on Sen. Dole's comments on Sen. Kerry's Senate record---

I think his words are dishonest and dishonorable. He should never break the Senatorial wall of silence.



Ahhh, another offering left at the altar of sarcasm


102 posted on 08/22/2004 11:45:53 AM PDT by Stag (Gosh I'm grouchy on Monday mornings)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I hope the GOP will make Dole the pivot man to counteract the Kerry's non-vets who support him and attack the real vets who dont.


103 posted on 08/22/2004 11:48:04 AM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Ever since Bob Dole left the senate he has been a good fighter. I recall during the Florida Y2K debacle he was in the thick of it with the rallies the Bush supporters were putting on.


104 posted on 08/22/2004 11:48:31 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: atomicpossum

Thanks for the reality check, Mr. Dole!
Just when you think you really do live in a parallel universe, truth speaks to power.


105 posted on 08/22/2004 11:54:01 AM PDT by des
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To: norton

Even better is that the Bob Dole interview was NOT on Fox, but on CNN, which is watched by fewer people. But CNN is likely watched by more people, who consider themselves moderates/undecided. This is growing.

The real issue is not Viet Nam. Viet Nam is a diversion from his 30+ years of public life AFTER Viet Nam.


106 posted on 08/22/2004 11:54:13 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: Carl/NewsMax

https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets


107 posted on 08/22/2004 11:54:36 AM PDT by petercooper (Kerry passes up terror briefing: "They have offered to brief me. I just haven't had time.")
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To: t2buckeye

>>Exactly...if face, I wrote to McCain and asked him that very question...when is he going to denounce Kerry's ad?<<

I did too. Told him that he was letting Kerry slam not only the POW's , but all viet Nam Vets as well. I told him if he is a true Bush supporter, than now is the time to stand up and say so.


108 posted on 08/22/2004 11:55:57 AM PDT by sissyjane (Does Rice show up on X-Rays??)
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To: All

Holy batman.

My respect for the former senator from my state just shot up.


109 posted on 08/22/2004 11:57:29 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Martin Tell
Whereas if he had condemned the Swifties, it would have been on the News Cycle 24/7.

I gotta wonder if Dole didn't sandbag CNN and make 'em think he was going to speak out against the Swifties.

Regardless, nice work, sir!

110 posted on 08/22/2004 12:02:47 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4534274/

Nixon targeted Kerry for anti-war views
White House tapes reveal then-president’s attempt to discredit Kerry during 1971 war protests, Senate testimony

By Brian Williams
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 6:59 a.m. ET March 16, 2004John Kerry’s first steps onto the national political stage took place back in 1971, when as a returning Vietnam War hero, Kerry led fellow veterans to Washington to protest against the Vietnam War and testify to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about the horrors of the war he had seen first hand. Now an NBC News examination of White House audio tapes shows that Kerry’s leadership drew the attention and the ire of President Richard Nixon.


Kerry was a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War and went to Washington for a week in April, 1971 to protest, lobby Congress, even to return hundreds of medals and service decorations — thrown into a heap on Capitol Hill. Though the president was gradually withdrawing American ground troops, the veterans said that wasn’t enough. They wanted the United States to pull out immediately.

The Nixon administration went to court to block the 1,200 veterans from camping out on the Mall during their protest, but Kerry and his group stayed put. The reaction from Nixon’s inner circle was real contempt for the veterans. In private conversations inside the White House, Nixon called them “horrible” and “bastards,” H.R. "Bob" Haldeman described the veterans as “ratty-looking,” and Henry Kissinger dismissed them as “inarticulate.”

But John Kerry was just the opposite — presentable, politically astute and very articulate. He appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to testify against the war, critical of the President’s Vietnam policy. “Someone has to die,” Kerry told the committee, “so that President Nixon won’t be, and these are his words, ‘the first President to lose a war.’”

"Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?


— President Richard Nixon, May, 1971
Speaking with aide Charles Colson about John Kerry

Kerry also questioned the administration’s strategy of gradual “Vietnamization” of the war — pulling out U.S. ground troops, and turning the war over to the South Vietnamese military. “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam?” Kerry demanded. “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

White House attention
Kerry's testimony reached a national audience, including, we now know from once-secret White House tapes, the president himself, who brought it up with his chief of staff Bob Haldeman. Here is an excerpt from a tape recorded on April 23, 1971, the day after Kerry’s Senate testimony:

Nixon: Apparently, this fellow, uh, that they put in the front row, is that what you say, the front [unintelligible] the real stars — Kerry.

Haldeman: Kerry. He is, he did a hell of a great job on the, uh --

Nixon: He was extremely effective.

And Haldeman concluded: “I think you’ll find Kerry running for political office.”

Related documents
Extended excerpts from the Nixon White House tapes



Kerry ended his week in Washington with a speech to a huge anti-war rally at the U.S. Capitol, again pointing the finger at the Nixon administration for its conduct of the war, and its reaction to the veterans’ protests. “This is a government that cares more about the legality of where men sleep than the legality of where we drop bombs and why men die,” Kerry declared.

The Nixon White House saw Kerry as a threat, and set out to discredit him and infiltrate his organization. The week after the protest rally, Nixon is heard discussing Kerry with White House aide Charles Colson:

Colson: This fellow Kerry that they had on last week --

Nixon: Yeah.

Colson: -- hell, he turns out to be, uh, really quite a phony.

Nixon: Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?

Colson: Well, he stayed, when he was here --

Nixon: Stayed out in Georgetown, yeah. [edit]

Colson: -- was out at the best restaurants every night and, uh --

Nixon: Sure.

Colson: -- you know, he's just, the complete opportunist.

Nixon: A racket, sure. [edit]

Colson: We’ll keep hitting him, Mr. President.

Nixon's counter-attack
Colson was Nixon’s point man against Kerry, and he found a weapon in another veteran: John O’Neill. He was a spokesman for Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace, which backed Nixon administration policy in Vietnam, and in turn was supported by the White House.

Fresh out of the Navy like Kerry, O’Neill was angry at Kerry for saying U.S. servicemen in Vietnam routinely committed war crimes. The weekend before the Washington protests, Kerry made the accusations on NBC’s Meet the Press, saying, “I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed, in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones.” And, Kerry claimed, “I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All this is contrary to the laws of warfare.”

John O’Neill hit back at Kerry with administration-orchestrated press appearances of his own, including a news conference that June. O’Neill asked rhetorically, “Shall Mr. Kerry and his little group of one thousand or twelve thousand embittered men be allowed to represent their views as that of all veterans, because they can appear on every news program? I hope not, for the country’s sake.”

After the news conference, O’Neill met with Charles Colson at the White House, where the attack on Kerry was seen as a public relations coup. In a conversation with the president, Haldeman gave the credit to Charles Colson, and raved about John O’Neill:

Haldeman: -- crew cut, real sharp looking guy who is more articulate than Kerry. He’s not as eloquent; he isn’t the ham that Kerry is. But he’s more believable. [edit]

Haldeman: This guy now, is gonna, he’s gonna move on Kerry.

“This is a government that cares more about the legality of where men sleep than the legality of where we drop bombs and why men die.”


— John Kerry, April, 1971
Anti-war rally, U.S. Capitol

The White House encouraged O’Neill to challenge Kerry to a debate. Kerry agreed and before the event, President Nixon called O’Neill into the Oval Office for a pep talk. “It’s a great service to the country,” declared the president.

Nixon: Give it to him, give it to him. And you can do it, because you have a pleasant manner, too, because you’ve got — and I think it’s a great service to the country. [edit]

Nixon: You fellows have been out there. You’ve got to know, seeing the barbarians that we’re up against, you’ve got to know what we’re doing in that horrible swamp that North Vietnam is. You’ve got to know from all our faults of what we have in this country that, that what we’re doing is right. You’ve got to know too, people are critics. Critics of the war, critics of [unint], run America down. [edit] You’ve gotta know that you’re on the winning s—that, that you’re on the right side.

Two weeks later, the veterans squared off on the popular Dick Cavett show:

O’Neill: Mr. Kerry is the type of person who lives and survives only on the war weariness and fears of the American people. This is the same little man who on nationwide television in April spoke of, quote, crimes committed on a day to day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.

Kerry: We believe as veterans who took part in this war we have nothing to gain by coming back here and talking about those things that have happened except to try and point the way to America, to try and say, here is where we went wrong, and we’ve got to change.

Later that year, even as the war continued, Kerry left the increasingly radical Vietnam Veterans Against the War. But the Nixon White House kept after John Kerry. It’s said that when Kerry ran for Congress in 1972, Nixon stayed up late on election night until he knew for sure that Kerry had been defeated.


111 posted on 08/22/2004 12:05:57 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

12 - That article in the Harvard Crimson, you linked, from 1970, has a very important, but seldom addressed declaration:

"Kerry said that the United Nations should have control over most of our foreign military operations. "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."
On other issues, Kerry wants "to almost eliminate CIA activity."


112 posted on 08/22/2004 12:06:41 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: Iowa Granny

Good for Dole. Such a good man. A different generation and it shows, sadly enough for the younger generation.


113 posted on 08/22/2004 12:08:15 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Iowa Granny

I don't recall him speaking this harshly ever before...


114 posted on 08/22/2004 12:08:44 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: gopwinsin04

To a man like Senator Dole, who uses his useless hand as a pen holder (bless him!), Kerry's claims have got to make him grind his teeth whenever the man's (for lack of a better term) name is mentioned.


115 posted on 08/22/2004 12:09:21 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: Carl/NewsMax
"As far as I know he never spent one day in the hospital, I don't think he draws any disability pay. He doesn't have any disability. And he's boasting about three Purple Hearts, when you think of some of the people who really got shot up in Vietnam.... Maybe he should apologize to all the other two-and-a-half million veterans who served. He wasn't the only one who was in Vietnam."

"I think Sen. Kerry needs to talk about his Senate record, which is pretty thin." Dole added. "That's probably why he's talking about his war record, which is pretty confused."

WOW!!!
Big Bob BUMP!!!

116 posted on 08/22/2004 12:10:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: kristinn

Hey, I was outside Cheney's house, too! Wonder if we bumped into one another. GET OUTTA CHENEY'S HOUSE!


117 posted on 08/22/2004 12:12:54 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: All

Senator Dole, thank you and God Bless.


118 posted on 08/22/2004 12:24:02 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Carl/NewsMax

It was excellent also how he put Harkin in proper perspective.


119 posted on 08/22/2004 12:27:05 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Nice job...you've be taking lessons from MiaT, I see..


120 posted on 08/22/2004 12:30:31 PM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
I think Sen. Kerry needs to talk about his Senate record, which is pretty thin." Dole added. "That's probably why he's talking about his war record, which is pretty confused."

Leave it to Bob Dole to tell it like it is!

121 posted on 08/22/2004 12:38:51 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: Bassfire

They'll be looking for this videotape:

Dole Defends Kerry

http://www.bluebus.org/archives/20040502_bob_dole_defend.php


122 posted on 08/22/2004 12:39:40 PM PDT by alydar
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To: MamaLucci

The goal this week (before the RNC) needs to turn the debate into the release of Kerry's records. As we knew, they are going to continue to trash the SBV's and now try and link them to Bush. So let's see what happens.


123 posted on 08/22/2004 12:40:53 PM PDT by gswilder
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Good for Dole.

"Where's the outrage?"


124 posted on 08/22/2004 12:41:16 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (www.righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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To: ken5050; Mia T

She's the pro!

I love her posts!


125 posted on 08/22/2004 12:47:35 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Bob Dole, a real American hero and Retired US Senator, (retired Senator because unlike Kerry and Edwards, he did the right thing and gave up his Senate seat while Campaigning for President) who has both the right and responsibility to hold Kerry's toes to the fire on his war record and his Senatorial record as well.


126 posted on 08/22/2004 12:53:49 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Kerry never tells a lie....... that the Media doesn't instantly proclaim to be the truth.)
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To: woofie

Dole is a Graduate of OCS.

Go Dole! 10th Mountain! Climb to Glory!


127 posted on 08/22/2004 12:55:27 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: Carl/NewsMax

128 posted on 08/22/2004 12:58:55 PM PDT by armymarinemom (Ultimate Flip Flop->I support the Troops but not their mission)
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To: Bombard

That is True. Col. North had a sucking chest wound for one of his injuries. He knew command would send him home if he got another purple heart...so he did some working to get it denied at the time.

WHAT RADIO SHOW WAS OLLIE ON? Was he sitting in for someone? Does he have his own show again?!


129 posted on 08/22/2004 12:58:56 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: xJones
"Great thread, thank you! And Kerry earned those 3 purple hearts in about 3 months, with not one day off in the hospital. Amazing...."

I'm still waiting for some reporter to ask SKerry, Senator show us the scars from your Purple Heart Wounds. I do understand he may have some shrapnel in his behind from his own grenade suffered when he tried to blow up some Viet Cong rice. He could skip showing this scar, if he got a purple heart for that wound.

130 posted on 08/22/2004 1:01:14 PM PDT by lstanle
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Ouch! This'll have Kerry licking his wounds...which taste suspiciously like ketchup.


131 posted on 08/22/2004 1:03:03 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: ArmyBratproud

He was on Sean Hannity on Wed. or Thur. he was on his way to the airport.


132 posted on 08/22/2004 1:03:40 PM PDT by Bombard
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To: alydar
I read Dole's comments dated May 2, 2004 and agree with Dole that Kerry's anti-war activities may be hard to explain. I guess Bob Dole has changed his mind on making controversy... Former Sen. Bob Dole isn't making much of the controversy over whether decorated Vietnam veteran John Kerry threw away his medals or ribbons during a 1971 anti-war protest. When it comes to choosing a president, "I don't think it matters," Dole, the Republican candidate for president in 1996 and a veteran whose arm was badly injured in World War II, told Fox New Sunday. Still, Dole said Kerry might have trouble explaining his anti-war activities, particularly to veterans. "He made his point, and he's going to have to live with it," said Dole. But here's the kicker of that interview, in my opinion, when Kerry states: Kerry responded to the criticism by lashing out at President Bush (news - web sites) for failing to put to rest questions about his National Guard service during the Vietnam era. Seems like Kerry could take a little of his own advice and put to rest the questions of his Vietnam service by releasing all of his records. Thanks for the link!
133 posted on 08/22/2004 1:03:44 PM PDT by Bassfire (I took 4 mo. of Home Economics 30 yrs. ago, can I run General Mills?)
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To: woofie

"I voted for Dole!!!! he was and is a good man"

I voted for Dole too...in a post 9/11 world he would have won. What a superficial, Hollywood produced, magazine cover election that was.


134 posted on 08/22/2004 1:06:05 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Grab a couple feet of tagline and jump right in)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Dole droing this may have opened the door for other Pubies with comments to follow, hope,hope.
We will see.


135 posted on 08/22/2004 1:07:18 PM PDT by oreolady (please,please RNC BRING THE TRUTH OUT, BUT GOOD)
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To: woofie
I voted for Dole!!!! he was and is a good man

Agreed. But, unfortunately, he was not 'hungry' to be president.

136 posted on 08/22/2004 1:08:15 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: WestTexasWend

"Ouch! This'll have Kerry licking his wounds..."

For some reason I picture him throwing all his toys out of the crib :)


137 posted on 08/22/2004 1:09:05 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: everyone

Kudos to Bob Dole for this. It may prove to be
important. He should keep it up!


138 posted on 08/22/2004 1:09:14 PM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Dole has probably been getting lots of calls from vets to speak up and do decided to take up their cause.

If he continues to speak up, he can do a LOT of good for the Swiftees.

Also, any comments he makes about Kerry's senate work will carry weight as Dole was majority leader and got first-hand experience on Kerry's vapid performance. GO BOB DOLE!

139 posted on 08/22/2004 1:09:53 PM PDT by what's up
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Severely wounded World War II combat hero Sen. Bob Dole questioned whether John Kerry deserved his three Purple Hearts on Sunday, and suggested that the top Democrat should apologize to his fellow Vietnam veterans for engaging in anti-war protests while they were still fighting the war.
"I respect his record - but three Purple Hearts, he never bled that I know of," Dole told CNN's "Late Edition." "They were all superficial wounds."
"As far as I know he never spent one day in the hospital, I don't think he draws any disability pay. He doesn't have any disability. And he's boasting about three Purple Hearts, when you think of some of the people who really got shot up in Vietnam."

He respects his record for what? I certainly don't respect Kerrys record being absent from his duties in DC. Where exactly was Kerry all those days he missed out as senator? What was he doing all that time? Dole should've been President not this nancy boy Kerry who has had his way paved for him.


140 posted on 08/22/2004 1:13:50 PM PDT by SunnySide
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Bob Dole is a Great American!


141 posted on 08/22/2004 1:22:28 PM PDT by MadMoo (JFnK is a decisive and sensitive failure. GO Bush!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

This is great news. I'm glad Dole's speaking out.


142 posted on 08/22/2004 1:23:51 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: lstanle

On this thread and another, I've read that Kerry claims 4 months active swift boat service, not 3 or 5. It's 4 months. Four months, three purple hearts, not one hospital stay - that man knew how to put in for medals. I doubt we'll ever see his medical records, we would have seen by now if there had been anything of merit in them.


143 posted on 08/22/2004 1:28:12 PM PDT by xJones
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To: norton

Bob Dole was always a great hatchet man. Go get em Senator!


144 posted on 08/22/2004 1:29:04 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: The South Texan
Ever since Bob Dole left the senate he has been a good fighter. I recall during the Florida Y2K debacle he was in the thick of it with the rallies the Bush supporters were putting on.

Yeah, he was great then. If only he had fought like that when he was running for president, he might have won.

145 posted on 08/22/2004 1:29:14 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Carl/NewsMax

WOW! I like it.


146 posted on 08/22/2004 1:29:41 PM PDT by handy (Leahy you, you Clymer!)
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To: xJones
"we would have seen by now if there had been anything of merit in them."

I think you are right, it doesn't make sense that he would be hiding something that would help him at a time he seems to be in some pain.

147 posted on 08/22/2004 1:30:30 PM PDT by lstanle
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To: Carl/NewsMax

You tell 'em, Bob!


148 posted on 08/22/2004 1:31:27 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Carl/NewsMax
WOW! Dole doesn't pull any punches does he.

Now Kerry needs to demand Bush tell Dole to stop saying these things immediately.

149 posted on 08/22/2004 1:32:04 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Senator Dole: "I think Sen. Kerry needs to talk about his Senate record, which is pretty thin." Dole added. "That's probably why he's talking about his war record, which is pretty confused."

And Bill&Hill jump up off the couch, joyfully high-five each other and simultaneously say...

YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

150 posted on 08/22/2004 1:40:04 PM PDT by upchuck (Well, if I called the wrong number, why did you answer the phone?)
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