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Big Lies For Bush
Boston Globe ^ | 8/22/04 | Editorial

Posted on 08/22/2004 2:31:24 PM PDT by alydar

Kerry, on the other hand, may have done more than Dole to qualify as a genuine war hero

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KEYWORDS: bobdole; kerry; militaryrecord; oliphant
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Anybody know what Swift Boat Tom Oliphant rode on???? He is despicable.

In 1942, at the age of 19, Bob Dole answered the call to serve his country by joining the Army to fight in World War II. He became a second lieutenant in the Army's 10th Mountain Division, and in the spring of 1945, found himself in the hills of Italy fighting the Nazi Germans. In the middle of heavy shelling, Lieutenant Dole saw his radioman go down. As he crawled out of his foxhole to try and rescue the wounded soldier, he was hit by Nazi machine gun fire. After the battle, medics gave him a shot of morphine and marked his forehead with an "M" written in his own blood. He wasn't expected to survive.

1 posted on 08/22/2004 2:31:24 PM PDT by alydar
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To: alydar

ombud@globe.com

letter@globe.com

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/write/


2 posted on 08/22/2004 2:34:13 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: alydar

Man ....are they coming unhinged or what.


3 posted on 08/22/2004 2:34:50 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: alydar

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty." Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed.

Robert Heinlein

It is getting closer to that time.


4 posted on 08/22/2004 2:35:46 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (GEORGE WASHINGTON is nothing like a communist tyrant as stated by Kerry.)
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To: alydar

I couldn't bear to read Oliphant. I'll take your word for it. He even gives sh*tty lefties a bad name.


5 posted on 08/22/2004 2:37:05 PM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: alydar
Keep in mind that the Boston Globe is owned by the New York Slimes. They must follow orders from the head Mullahs there. The Globe has been to the left of the mainstream for years before the sale however. And Ollierant has always been a blithering idiot anyway.
6 posted on 08/22/2004 2:37:17 PM PDT by JediForce (Never underestimate the power of the Dark side of the Force....keep the blasters' fully charged.)
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To: Dog

His bow tie is obviously waaaaay too tight..


7 posted on 08/22/2004 2:37:48 PM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: alydar
I take it back in claiming that the Boston Globe is a bird-cage liner. It is worse. It should be carried by Bostonians with very large dogs, like Great Danes, who require to be cleaned up after, under local ordinance.

John / Billybob

8 posted on 08/22/2004 2:37:52 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Dog

These people have lost their damned minds.


9 posted on 08/22/2004 2:38:54 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Donate to the Swifties, once again serving the nation selflessly)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Heinlein was a Naval Academy grad. What do you think he would do to the likes of Curry?

At saber point he would urge Curry to "Walk the Plank!"

10 posted on 08/22/2004 2:39:17 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: alydar
Based upon the one-liner from the article here, I agree completely. Problem is: Kerry qualifies as a great war hero of the Socialist North Vietnamese. Dole is a war hero of the Americans. Big difference: Kerry was instrumental as an enemy propagandist in a victory of our enemy in the Vietnamese campaign of the Cold War. Dole was a great warrior for his country who almost died ending a reign of horror in Italy.
11 posted on 08/22/2004 2:41:08 PM PDT by dufekin (A President. Kerry would have our enemies partying like it's 1969-- when he began his treason.)
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To: Dog

Kerry a bigger hero than Dole? These people are officially delusional.


12 posted on 08/22/2004 2:42:18 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: alydar

John Kerry seems to have recovered rather well from whatever wounds he received in Vietnam. Bob Dole, even sixty years after the fact, has only one good arm. Whichever editor wrote this is a dumb SOB.


13 posted on 08/22/2004 2:43:48 PM PDT by RichInOC (...if Leader were still alive, he'd pee on the Globe today.)
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To: alydar

They are completely unhinged. I won't even comment on the Dole part because it is beyond the pale. Note, however, how the big lie about Cleland has become gospel among the libs. So according to them it was OK for Cleland to tout his pro-union vote to union groups, but the Repubs couldn't make an issue of his vote without it "questioning his patriotism". Very similar to the way only pro-Kerry vetereans are allowed to talk about Kerry in Vietnam.


14 posted on 08/22/2004 2:44:08 PM PDT by ottothedog
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To: alydar
"Although his tour in Vietnam was short, on at least two occasions he acted decisively and with great daring in combat, saving at least one man's life and earning both a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. That's not our account or Kerry's; it is drawn from eyewitnesses and the military citations themselves."

Is it not true that the citations merelt parrot the officer after action reports? Other than Kerry & Rassmann who authored such a report that day?

15 posted on 08/22/2004 2:44:14 PM PDT by trifona
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To: alydar

Kerry isn't good enough to clean Bob Dole's shoes, when it comes to service to this country. Keep it up, libs. Pretty soon you'll have the whole country hating not only liberals, but the media along with them.


16 posted on 08/22/2004 2:45:39 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: MizSterious

The public hates the media already....:-)


17 posted on 08/22/2004 2:46:21 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: alydar
"Anybody know what Swift Boat Tom Oliphant rode on????"

That was no boat. That was a hairy-backed bathhouse "partner."

18 posted on 08/22/2004 2:46:51 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Young Werther

When Kerry was dispatched to go to An Thoi with Lieutenant Tedd Peck(now Captain, USNR), Peck told him, "Kerry, follow me no closer than a thousand yards.If you get any closer,I'll teach you what a real Purple Heart is."

Page 41, UNFIT for COMMAND


19 posted on 08/22/2004 2:47:59 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (GEORGE WASHINGTON is nothing like a communist tyrant as stated by Kerry.)
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To: Dog

I wish that were true. Too many people accept every word put out by rags like this and "network news" hacks as gospel truth. But with pap like this, I hope they begin to see what these teasonous cretins are up to.


20 posted on 08/22/2004 2:48:57 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: alydar
According to an Associated Press story today, Bob Dole doesn't agree with Oliphant's assessment and demanded an apology--from Kerry, not the Veterans.
21 posted on 08/22/2004 2:50:57 PM PDT by dufekin (A President. Kerry would have our enemies partying like it's 1969-- when he began his treason.)
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To: alydar

Sent also to letters to editor.

Dear Ombudsman:

Tom Oliphant has reached a new low with his "Big Lies for Bush" piece. He should be fired as too partisan for even the Boston Globe.

First, Oliphant drags down Sen. Bob Dole by inventing a hypothetical situation in which Sen. Dole made up his own WW2 history and injuries, which has not been alleged by a single person. And then he compares this made-up scenario with the one now facing Sen. Kerry, who is fighting real allegations made by people who served with Sen. Kerry. Sen. Kerry has already changed key parts of his story, including the entire "Christmas in Cambodia" incident which your paper has previously published the uncut version that was a total fabrication.

And incredibly Oliphant has Sen. Kerry as the better of the two men. ("Kerry, on the other hand, may have done more than Dole to qualify as a genuine war hero")

Mr. Oliphant is a disgrace to your paper and his words are the rantings of a lunatic. You owe it to your shareholders to take action against such behavior.

Rob XXXXX
Norcross, GA


22 posted on 08/22/2004 2:51:07 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Kerry/Edwards: Hating America One Vote at a Time)
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To: dufekin
Kerry has faulted a few of his own supporters who lampooned Bush's National Guard record. Now Bush should call off his dogs.
23 posted on 08/22/2004 2:55:30 PM PDT by John Thornton
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To: alydar
It doesn't say that this ninny wrote it.

But, he could well have.

24 posted on 08/22/2004 3:04:27 PM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: alydar

When one of Dole's brothers in arms was shot he tried to rescue him Dole was shot and almost died. Dole is a hero and is the real thing.

When one of Kerry's brothers boat was blown up, Kerry said the others fled and he stayed. Today Kerry's campaign admits Kerry fled and the others stayed. Kerry is a lying coward.

Before Oliphant writes anymore about Kerry and his band of brothers, he should review the story of Cain and Able.


25 posted on 08/22/2004 3:06:06 PM PDT by cpdiii ( Oil field trash ( and proud of it) turned pharmacist.)
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To: John Thornton
Kerry has faulted a few of his own supporters who lampooned Bush's National Guard record. Now Bush should call off his dogs.

“The issue here is, as I have heard it raised, is was he present and active in Alabama at the time he was supposed to be,” said Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War veteran. “I don’t have the answer to that question and just because you get an honorable discharge does not in fact answer that question.”

26 posted on 08/22/2004 3:06:46 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
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To: raybbr

No it does not but I think it's safe to say Jeff Jacoby, Joan Vennocci,Derek Jackson or Alex Beam didn't write it since they have all been known to take shots at Gigolo John. David Nyhan isn't around anymore. Oliphant has been carrying Botox Boy's water for years. Here is the link to piece he did put his name on today and draw your own conclusion:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/08/22/smear_by_veterans_may_hurt_bush/


27 posted on 08/22/2004 3:14:16 PM PDT by alydar
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To: alydar
"The truth, according to many accounts, is that Dole fought with exceptional bravery and deserves the nation's gratitude."
that is the difference between kerry and Dole in their own words. I guess it doesn't make a difference what the Boston Globe thinks really since there are no Republicans in Massachusetts except for present and past Governors. Seems like Dem's don't even trust themselves to elect other Dem's. I understand there is a new conservative paper in town the Herald. If people there actually read it it still goes to show that not even lib Dem's trust there own papers.
28 posted on 08/22/2004 3:16:12 PM PDT by bilhosty
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To: alydar

I remember how most of the people who came to Bubba's defense soon found themselves in deep do-do. I think it's going to happen to the Lurchites. I used to find people like Oliphant and Matthews at least tolerable. Now I find them to be stupid and despicable. Even if Kerry wins in November, his stooges will have already paid a big price in credibility.


29 posted on 08/22/2004 3:24:45 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: trifona
"drawn from eyewitnesses and the military citations themselves."

Reminds me that Jason watshisname was a Pultizer prize winner as was the NYT's Walt Duranty....LBJ got a medal too for what ? a few minutes in an airplane?..Look it up to see how bad it was...................

30 posted on 08/22/2004 3:24:55 PM PDT by litehaus
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To: alydar
Oliphant has been carrying Botox Boy's water for years.

Oliphant had constant access to the WH in the Clinton years and he's dying to get back in.

He'll McGreevy anybody to do it.

31 posted on 08/22/2004 3:26:35 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: alydar

IMG! How low can you go? This editorial says it all. The Boston Globe defending John Kerry is one thing. In questioning the war record of Bob Dole, however, the BG has stepped over the bounds of decency. This is another despicable act coming from the media wing of the liberal establishment. The BG should be roundly denounced for fabricating tales that demean a man who was handicapped for life, defending his country in time of war.


32 posted on 08/22/2004 3:40:24 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man

Oops. correction. make that "OMG!", not IMG!.


33 posted on 08/22/2004 3:42:18 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: jimbo123

Here’s a Letter to the Editor I just sent to our local rag:

Dear Sir or Madam,

Below is a Letter to the Editor on which I would appreciate your consideration. Please call me if you have questions concerning this submission. Thank you for your consideration.

Also, should you elect to print this letter, please use my email address with my name so anyone that would like to comment may via email.

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Kerry Can’t Stand the Heat

Wasn't it John Kerry who recently said "Bring it on" if anyone wanted to scrutinize his often repeated exploits during and after the Vietnam War? That brings to mind a schoolboy picking a fight in school yard and hoping the target doesn’t take him up on it.

Now, 254 of his former Swift Boat crewmates who have signed affidavits and are appearing in Television ads against him took him up on his call out. Former POWs are speaking out stating the congressional testimony John Kerry gave was fodder for the Vietnamese as they were tortured. They took Sen. Kerry up on his attempted intimidation.

Now Mr. Kerry would like them to back off. Using the same analogy he is begging for someone, anyone to make them stop. However, Kerry's actions during and upon his return from Vietnam should not be beyond reproach. His anti-war actions and allegations against veterans should not be shielded from scrutiny.

Instead of taking the “positive approach” that he said he would, Kerry (as most liberals) sees all manner of conspiracies in the opposition. President Bush on the other hand has endured a year of daily lambasting by Kerry surrogates and a willing media partner. I don’t recall President Bush once asking someone, anyone to pull them off.

As a veteran, which type of individual do I want in my foxhole?

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Thank you for your consideration. We enjoy and rely on your paper!

Respectfully yours,
Me


34 posted on 08/22/2004 3:48:13 PM PDT by schaketo (Notorious for skinny dipping in the same pond as snapping turtles)
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To: cpdiii

What you guys don't understand is that Dole only lost the use of his arm; Kerry lost his balls, thereby qualifying as a leftist hero.


35 posted on 08/22/2004 3:55:02 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: RobFromGa
I LOVE your reference to "the uncut version" of Christmas in Cambodia ROFLMAO!
36 posted on 08/22/2004 3:57:26 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: alydar

In the Military there are no such things as Nazis.
When was the last time our troops were called:

fighting Republican Americans
or
hit by Democrat machine gun fire.

What blather....


37 posted on 08/22/2004 4:02:16 PM PDT by Knight Templar
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To: alydar
Both parties do it, but Republicans are developing a shocking expertise

Geez, buddy, were you paying attention at ALL during the Clinton years? If Vince Foster were alive, he might disagree with you.

38 posted on 08/22/2004 4:11:05 PM PDT by Hardastarboard
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Okay Let me see if I have this straight. Kerry says that the government, not he, lied about his presense in Cambodia, the memory of which is seared in him.

On the other hand there are all these "government" documents detailing the heroic exploits of one LTJG JF'in Kerry. Which government are we to believe John? Hmmmmmm?


39 posted on 08/22/2004 4:13:34 PM PDT by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: alydar
Kerry, on the other hand, may have done more than Dole to qualify as a genuine war hero

The closest Tom "MMMMMmmmm lookit all dem muscles!" Oliphant has ever gotten to any United States soldier:


40 posted on 08/22/2004 4:26:40 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Knight Templar

Sprechen Sie Deutsch?


41 posted on 08/22/2004 4:49:36 PM PDT by alydar
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To: alydar

Ichabod Crane


42 posted on 08/22/2004 5:25:47 PM PDT by Maria S ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I've sent a few early Heinlein books to our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Too bad he became a drooling fool in his old age. His last books were pretty awful.


43 posted on 08/22/2004 5:27:02 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: alydar
Kerry's Lie Number 1: "I volunteered for service in Viet Nam." The truth: Kerry joined the Navy after his request for a draft deferment was denied to study in France. He joined the Navy because it offered a officer's commission and it would avoid getting drafted in the army and the dangerous jungles of Viet Nam.

Kerry's Lie Number 2: "I volunteered for service aboard a swift boat." The truth: Kerry's first duty was in June 8, 1967 when he reported aboard the USS Gridley (DLG-21), a a Leheay-class guided missile frigate. Ensign Kerry was assigned duty to head the Deck Division. This division was considered the lowest in the rank of status. The boatswain's mate was commonly known as a "deck ape" in the Navy social order. How much beneath his dignity Yale graduated Kerry must have thought to be working with a crew of foul-mouthed, hung-over, disrespectful, and low-class "deck apes."

From Feb. 1968 to June 1968, the USS Gridley was deployed to do plane guard duty in the Gulf of Tolken. This duty would follow an aircraft carrier to rescue (or recover) pilots in case a plane goes into the water. The Deck Division was responsible for the deployment of the motor whaleboat used for the downed pilots. It was this time that Kerry requested swift boat duty. It would serve two functions: Kerry would be able to (1)prove himself as the commander of his own boat. This would give his better duty in later duty assignments. and (2) it had a relatively safe function: inspecting and boarding sampans in the South China Sea. However, suddenly the function of the swift boat shifted suddenly to highly dangerous river patrol. It was for this reason that Kerry began looking for a way out of a dangerous eight month tour. In about three months he was able to succeed not only getting out of Viet Nam duty early, but also taking away from the experience a medal cache that would insure he got something better than watching over a division of "deck apes".
44 posted on 08/22/2004 5:29:28 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: patriciaruth
I called him airy fairy for his last books.
I just finished rereading his juvenile science fiction.
They are still very good.
45 posted on 08/22/2004 5:33:37 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (GEORGE WASHINGTON is nothing like a communist tyrant as stated by Kerry.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

It's funny reading the posts on this thread - - I used to get the same agita whenever I read a newspaper. I don't read them anymore and I am happy as a clam. But I do remember reading Oliphant before. He's just a typical Boston pantload. Obviously he is under great duress thanks to the recent, sudden collapse of the Kerry campaign - - maybe he even had a fight with his boyfriend. Who cares? Forget about him.

Regards,
LH


46 posted on 08/22/2004 5:41:53 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: patriciaruth

I read everything Heinlein wrote right up to about 1971. His books after that didn't do much for me. It seems like the mainstream success of the overrated 'Stranger in a Strange Land' sent him off in a direction I couldn't get into.


47 posted on 08/22/2004 5:47:43 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jonrick46

Of the 15 members of Skull and Bones, an extraordinary bond formed between the four on their way to Vietnam: Kerry; Thorne; Fred Smith, a Kerry flying partner who would later found Federal Express; and, Pershing, Kerry's close friend since age 13.
All four could have used their connections to avoid or at least delay military service. (Michael Kranish Boston Globe June16,2003)




When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy.(Harvard Crimson,Feb18,1970)
__________________________________________________

Oh what a web we weave when once we practice to deceive.


48 posted on 08/22/2004 5:48:22 PM PDT by alydar
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To: Steven W.
I LOVE your reference to "the uncut version" of Christmas in Cambodia ROFLMAO!

Thanks for reading.

49 posted on 08/22/2004 5:49:25 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Kerry/Edwards: Hating America One Vote at a Time)
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To: raybbr

Re. that photo--I thought Alfalfa died back in the early 60s.


50 posted on 08/22/2004 6:01:28 PM PDT by zook
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