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Kerry Senior Advisor on Meet the Press Says Kerry Remembers Being in Cambodia X-Mas 1968
Meet the Press ^ | August 22, 2004 | Meet the Press

Posted on 08/22/2004 3:51:40 PM PDT by AJFavish

[Excerpt from full transcript. Russert is speaking with Tad Devine, Senior Adviser, Kerry-Edwards '04. -- ajf]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5772535/

MR. RUSSERT: He didn't take office until January '69. Does Senator Kerry stand by that statement that on Christmas Eve of '68 he was physically in Cambodia?

MR. DEVINE: Right. Well, his memory, Tim, is being there, around there. And I'll tell you what happened on December 25th...

MR. RUSSERT: No--being there or around there?

MR. DEVINE: No, being right at the Cambodian border, over the Cambodian border. That's what he remembers. That's his clear memory. Now, Tim...

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So according to Devine, Kerry remembers being "over the Cambodian border" on Christmas Eve of '68. It is Kerry's "clear memory" according to Devine.

Regards,

Allan J. Favish
http://www.allanfavish.com

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1968; cambodia; christmas; christmasncambodia; devine; kerry; kerrycambodia; swiftboatveterans
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1 posted on 08/22/2004 3:51:40 PM PDT by AJFavish
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To: AJFavish

Over the Cambodian border in which direction?


2 posted on 08/22/2004 3:53:03 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: AJFavish

It is beginning to appear that Kerry is having delusions that he believes are real!!


3 posted on 08/22/2004 3:55:07 PM PDT by technomage
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To: Texas Eagle

ClownKerry was no where near Cambodia that Christmas and he knows it. Tim Russert does, too.


4 posted on 08/22/2004 3:55:55 PM PDT by cardinal4 (John Kerry- "A Hamster Tale..")
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To: AJFavish
Dig a little deeper, Kerry and company. The hole will eventually bury you.

Everything the Kerry campaign is doing to try and get at the Swift Boat Vets is turning into nothing but a HUGE PR campaign for the Swifties.

Honest, sincere, seekers of the truth look at both sides in order to see what the big uproar is about. Those that do contrast Kerry and his attack dogs and their rabid attempts to smear the Swifties with the detailed, documented and reasonably presented information of the Swifties.

This is a big time loser for Kerry...as well it should be.

In essence, the Kerry campaign is funding the PR for the swifties. The best thing Kerry could have done was to ignore it and mitigate the damage to what the Swifites could afford themselves.

But Kerry and his ilk love a lie and so they must attack...and thereby bring more and more attention to the issue...and to the truth.

5 posted on 08/22/2004 3:56:15 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: AJFavish
This guy Devine is loathsome.

He appears to be snarling all the time when he discusses the issues.

A great point man! LOL!!!!!

6 posted on 08/22/2004 3:56:33 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: AJFavish

Was this memory seared, barbequed, or deep fried into Kerry's mind....THIS time?


7 posted on 08/22/2004 3:56:54 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism)
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To: AJFavish

FLIP-FLOP-FLIP-FLOP-FLIP! LOL!


8 posted on 08/22/2004 3:56:56 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: technomage

You ever had a dream that was so real that years later, you couldn't remember if it had really happened or not? I think this is Kerry's problem.


9 posted on 08/22/2004 3:57:28 PM PDT by MarkeyD (<a href="http:\\www.michaelmoore.com>Maggot</a>)
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To: AJFavish

I've heard fisherman describe the one that got away better than the way the Cambodia story is being explained.


10 posted on 08/22/2004 3:57:39 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: AJFavish

Gee it's too bad that John Kerry isn't alive to answer these questions for himself.

"Where did all that dark hair go, Tim? That's what I want to know."


11 posted on 08/22/2004 3:57:42 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: RandallFlagg

The story keeps changing, but the Swift Boat Veterans story has never change, but they are the liars.


12 posted on 08/22/2004 3:58:23 PM PDT by Guillermo (OJ is innocent because Mark Fuhrman said the "N" word.)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

Lol.


13 posted on 08/22/2004 3:59:07 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: AJFavish

BUMP FOR THE SUPPORT OF SWIFT VETS HERE... http://www.swiftvets.com/


14 posted on 08/22/2004 3:59:30 PM PDT by freddiedavis
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To: AJFavish
It is Kerry's "clear memory"

Well, it ought to be, it was "seared, SEARED into him.
Rather like a red hot poker applied to bulging Hemorrhoids?
15 posted on 08/22/2004 4:00:05 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: AJFavish
Regardless. If he was in, under, over or around Cambodia on Christmas 1968, Nixon didn't send him there. That was always the point of this tale.
16 posted on 08/22/2004 4:01:13 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: AJFavish
Kerry remembers being "over the Cambodian border" on Christmas Eve of '68. It is Kerry's "clear memory" according to Devine.

YUP! I now believe Kerry's Cambodian story since we all know Nixon was inaugurated on December 29, 1968. As that prisoner said in Stalag 17: "I believe it. I believe it!"

17 posted on 08/22/2004 4:01:51 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: AJFavish; All
'Twas Christmas in Cambodia'
By Bette Anne Joyce
Aug 14, 2004


'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Cambodia
Not a enemy was stirring, not even in Laos
Their weapons were hung on the straw huts with care,
In hopes that delusional St. Kerry soon would be there;
The Cambodians were nestled all snug in their beds,
While John Kerry had visions of an attack seared in his head.
The enemy settled down for a long winter's nap,
When out on in the rice field there arose such a clatter;
They sprang from their beds to see what was the matter.

Away to the window they flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
The moon on the breast of the new-fallen mud
had given sight to smug John Kerry, the crazy thug!
Then, what to their wondering eyes should appear,

A miniature swift boat
With Jolly Ole St. Kerry at the helm, so lively and quick,
They knew in a moment it must be another Kerry trick
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Hey, Ho Chi and Ding Dong, and Chow Ming Young
I'm ready to kill you and rip out your tongue!

To the top of the rice field! To the top of the wall
the Cambodians dashed away!  Dashed away all.
As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
when they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky,
So up to the straw huts the coursers they flew,
With the boat full of weapons, Kerry knew what to do!
And then, in a twinkling, they heard on the roof
the prancing and pawing of Kerry's big hoof.
As they held up their hands, and turned around,
John Kerry had burned their village down to the ground.
He was dressed in war paint, from his head to his foot. His clothes were all
tarnished with ashes and soot;
Kerry rifled through their belongings and grabbed all their loot.
He behaved like a War Criminal stuffing his pack, for this were the actions of
a Cowardly Rat!
His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
Alas! this was the real John Kerry.
the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
the Cambodians flesh was burning beneath.
He sprang to his swifty, to his team gave a whistle,
and away they all paddled like the down of a thistle.

Kerry stopped the swifty, he wanted to pause as
"Visions of Presidency" danced in his head,
He'll campaign as a War Hero, the Cambodians are dead!
If the other Vets dispute me, I'll smear them with shame
I'll call them liars and frauds, after all, that's the name of the game.
I'll speak with great oratory the voice of command;
the voters won't realize its just another Kerry scam!



18 posted on 08/22/2004 4:02:06 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: Jeff Head
We have had 9 different verisons of this Christmas story.....now they want to take us back to the orginal story......

I'm dreaming of the Khmer Rouge .....

We couldn't make this stuff up if we tried..

19 posted on 08/22/2004 4:02:16 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: All

How many times have they changed this story? I lost count a while back.


20 posted on 08/22/2004 4:02:34 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: cardinal4

According to Unfit for Command, Kerry really spent Christmas trying to find the Bob Hope USO show and got lost.

He put his crew in danger by "blundering into one of the most dangerous canals in Vietnam, a canal that to those who knew the area was notiorious for Viet Cong ambushes."


21 posted on 08/22/2004 4:02:39 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: AJFavish

Gee..I wonder what he was smoking at the time...makes ya wonder..


22 posted on 08/22/2004 4:03:23 PM PDT by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: fhayek
If he was in, under, over or around Cambodia on Christmas 1968, Nixon didn't send him there.

Yes he did. Nixon was inaugurated on December 20, 1968. The inauguration was a month early because it was a Leap Year.

23 posted on 08/22/2004 4:03:52 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: pepperhead

I think it is 10 now......but wait Douglas Brinkley is about to give us number 11.


24 posted on 08/22/2004 4:04:30 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: jimbo123

Jim is that in the book??


25 posted on 08/22/2004 4:05:22 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: jimtorr

Did Kerry flip over the Cambodian border and flop back?


26 posted on 08/22/2004 4:06:00 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: AJFavish
"Were you over the Cambodian border?"

"I'll NEVER be over the Cambodian border."

/Airplane

27 posted on 08/22/2004 4:06:03 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: AJFavish

Kerry and his mouthpieces have so many different versions of the C in C story, that none of them know which one the others are defending.

There are about a dozen different versions in circulation now.

Last I heard, Kerry was saying the whole thing was CIA and hush hush. [How convenient for Kerry.]

Kerry's defenders' vehement defenses are becoming laughable. As one is on air defending a certain version, Kerry is giving another version in some speech.


28 posted on 08/22/2004 4:06:15 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: jimtorr

Did Kerry flip over the Cambodian border and flop back?


29 posted on 08/22/2004 4:06:55 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: Dog

Page 49.


30 posted on 08/22/2004 4:07:28 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Damn.


31 posted on 08/22/2004 4:08:04 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: AJFavish

if this is the kerry camp's tactic for dealing with the "christmas in cambodia" story, it's suicide.


32 posted on 08/22/2004 4:08:31 PM PDT by smonk
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To: fhayek
Regardless. If he was in, under, over or around Cambodia on Christmas 1968, Nixon didn't send him there. That was always the point of this tale.

Exactly.

And when they start spinning, it always reveals something is a lie. Kerry told the C in C some 50 times. 'Near' messes up the whole purpose of the story, but 'near' is what his mouthpieces are saying.
33 posted on 08/22/2004 4:09:33 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: smonk
You questioning their patriotism??

:-)

34 posted on 08/22/2004 4:09:50 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: Jeff Head
Hey, I remember Christmas 1968 real well myself. I was "short" and gonna' DEROS by February.

I was on guard over some C-rations somewhere in Deutschland (Old West German part of that country), and there was this guy and his date in a car. The brakelights kept coming on, and going off, and coming on, and going off.

Next thing you know somebody tossed a round into one of the lights.

Guy didn't miss a lick.

Then we had to find a round somewhere so this guy could switch his guardpost later on.

He offered about a pound and a half of what he called "hashish" in trade to someone. He had this stuff on his person. One of the Namvets tested it and pronounced it fake stuff. So, next deal was to have the guy fall through a hole in the roof of the C-rations dump (which was more like a cave with a big door on the front, and a concrete roof with ventilation holes). Then he could lose his rifle in the fall, along with the bullets.

He didn't like that idea. I didn't follow up on what happened after that, but he did score some dope one day and ended up in Landstuhl hospital agitated about spiders all over his body.

Kerry's Christmas sounded terribly contemplative ~ not at all like mine that year. We had half the Red Army sitting about 10 miles away, busy occupying Czechoslovakia at the time, and the threat of nuclear anihilation was real. Guess when you are just out there making the beerruns for the guys patroling the Mekong you can dwell on deep thoughts.

One thing for sure, I knew Nixon wasn't yet President, but I certainly looked forward to it.

35 posted on 08/22/2004 4:10:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: All

Kind of off subject, but has everybody here seen that cute animation of Kerry and Bush, if not, please got to URL:
http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/this_land and click on "This Land". Its a hoot!


36 posted on 08/22/2004 4:10:38 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: AJFavish

.

Christmas in Vietnam 4-Real

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set2.htm
(See last Photo)





Christmas in America 4-Real

http://www.lzxray.com/Ronnie3.jpg
(See Photo)


37 posted on 08/22/2004 4:10:38 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: AJFavish
I think it is time for the BIG QUESTION

"Senator Kerry sir, Just before you went to Cambodia.... did you inhale?"

38 posted on 08/22/2004 4:12:07 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: Cold Heat
"This guy Devine is loathsome. He appears to be snarling all the time when he discusses the issues. "

Has anyone seen him and Carville in the same room?

39 posted on 08/22/2004 4:14:07 PM PDT by bayourod ("All boats came to the aid of PCF-3, except one: John Kerry’s boat. Kerry fled. " Van Odell)
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To: bert

Did Kerry inhale and take his boat and crew on a dangerous road trip to try to attend the Bob Hope USO Christmas show at Dong Tam and end up getting lost in one of the most dangerous canals in Vietnam?


40 posted on 08/22/2004 4:14:15 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: PJ-Comix
Yes he did. Nixon was inaugurated on December 20, 1968. The inauguration was a month early because it was a Leap Year.

That's a stetch.

It was actually January 20 in VietNam, because you lose a month when you cross the International Date Line going West. Geezzz...everybody knows that! How else could it be Christmas and Nixon sending secret troops and Kerry actually in Cambodia in that January Christmas?

lol.

[The more versions of the tale they come out with, the more confused they become.]
41 posted on 08/22/2004 4:14:18 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: AJFavish

It was Kerrey.....not J Kerry.


42 posted on 08/22/2004 4:14:32 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: AJFavish

Quoth Robin Williams (A worthy Liberal.) "If you remember the sixties, you weren't really there."


43 posted on 08/22/2004 4:15:01 PM PDT by Calusa (One Nation Gone Under.)
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To: jimbo123

It appears sKerry's media munchkins have adopted Goebells philosphy of "tell a lie often enough and people will begin to believe it". What they forgot to read is the next paragraph in that course book of "Lying 101". YOU GOT TO TELL THE SAME LIE, NOT DIFFERENT VERSIONS!!


44 posted on 08/22/2004 4:15:17 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver (www.RealHeroesVoices.com....see the real John Kerry)
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To: muawiyah
Anybody sitting anywhere near the Fulga Gap in those years couldn't help but contemplate the very real prosepcts of all-out war.

IMHO, Kerry is simply a self-promoting liar.

He was there in Nam...in harm's way...and for that I give him credit. But that's where it ends. He took abject advantage of his service, embellishing it, lying about it and lying about and betraying his compatriots and his nation. He has no honor, no integrity, no virtue.

He would sell the entire country out the same way he did his comrades...in an instant.

45 posted on 08/22/2004 4:17:26 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: RandallFlagg
Was this memory seared, barbequed, or deep fried into Kerry's mind....THIS time?

You are missing the point entirely, my friend.

The thing that really matters is that Kerry was "serious" about it.

And he did it "better".

Oh yea, he was more "sensitive", too, when he was there.

Glad we got that straight.

LVM

46 posted on 08/22/2004 4:17:35 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Quick, vote for The French One, before he changes his mind and votes for GWB.)
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To: jimbo123

Is that really in the book? The USO part?


47 posted on 08/22/2004 4:18:51 PM PDT by cardinal4 (John Kerry- "A Hamster Tale..")
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To: Dog
---You questioning their patriotism??---

absolutely.

48 posted on 08/22/2004 4:20:45 PM PDT by smonk
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To: AJFavish

Yeah JeFnK an I remember meeting Santa Claus!


49 posted on 08/22/2004 4:20:55 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: cardinal4

Page 49.

More:

"Given the easy navigation by radar and maps of the rivers involved- not much more difficult than driving a car- Kerry had just performed a feat of reverse navigation worthy of Wrong Way Corrigan."


50 posted on 08/22/2004 4:21:01 PM PDT by jimbo123
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