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JOHN A VIET CON: DOLE
New York Post ^ | 8/23/04 | IAN BISHOP

Posted on 08/23/2004 12:34:46 AM PDT by kattracks

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Dole, a former Kansas senator, said Kerry brought the attack ads on by hyping his Vietnam service.

"I said months ago, 'John, don't go too far,' " Dole said. "And I think he's got himself into this wicket now where he can't extricate himself because not every one of these people can be Republican liars."

Kerry spokesman Chad Clanton said, "It's unfortunate that Sen. Dole is making statements that official U.S. Navy records prove false. This is partisan politics, not the truth."

In another development, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, whose two ads blasting Kerry's war record have rocked the presidential campaign, deny Democrats' claims that they're props for the GOP.

"Our message is our message and no one tells us what to say," Swift Boat vet Van Odell said on "Fox News Sunday."

A CBS poll shows Kerry's support among veterans has dropped 10 points since the group began advertising.

Kerry launched a new ad yesterday — after his first damage-control ad last week did little to raise his poll numbers.

The new ad features President Bush and John McCain, with a narrator saying, "Bush smeared John McCain four years ago. Now, he's doing it to John Kerry."

That spot, which implies that the Bush campaign is behind the Swift Boat ads, is designed to make it appear that McCain is bashing Bush. McCain heads Bush's re-election bid in Arizona and has asked Kerry not to use him in the Democratic ads.

The Bush campaign criticized the ad as "false and libelous."


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bobdole; kerry; kerrylies; militaryrecord

1 posted on 08/23/2004 12:34:46 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Cut It Out! No, Wait! Bring It On!
2 posted on 08/23/2004 12:39:33 AM PDT by martin_fierro (____oooo_(_º_¿_º_)_oooo_____)
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To: kattracks; Dog; Howlin; OXENinFLA; BigSkyFreeper
McCain heads Bush's re-election bid in Arizona and has asked Kerry not to use him in the Democratic ads.

Well Gee .. The media FAILED to tell us that part

3 posted on 08/23/2004 12:44:15 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Mo1
That spot, which implies that the Bush campaign is behind the Swift Boat ads, is designed to make it appear that McCain is bashing Bush. McCain heads Bush's re-election bid in Arizona and has asked Kerry not to use him in the Democratic ads.

Kerry won't pull his ad, he has yet to follow through with a request from several Swift Boat Veterans who's faces appear on pictures on Kerry's website to not use their photo's for political gain. Vietnam Veterans who are not even a part of the SBVFT.

Democrats play by a different set of rules.

4 posted on 08/23/2004 12:53:17 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: kattracks
In another development, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, whose two ads blasting Kerry's war record have rocked the presidential campaign, deny Democrats' claims that they're props for the GOP.

They aren't props for the GOP, many of the Swiftee's are registered Democrat. Heck, John O'Neill was a John Edwards supporter.

5 posted on 08/23/2004 12:58:59 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: kattracks
The new ad features President Bush and John McCain, with a narrator saying, "Bush smeared John McCain four years ago. Now, he's doing it to John Kerry."

This is too inside-the-beltway. Most people remember seeing Bush and McCain campaigning together - this won't make sense to them. I predict this ad to flop, sure to be followed by another Kerry Flip.
6 posted on 08/23/2004 1:02:48 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!! and visit http://blogspirator.blogspot.com)
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To: kattracks
The new ad features President Bush and John McCain, with a narrator saying, "Bush smeared John McCain four years ago. Now, he's doing it to John Kerry." That spot, which implies that the Bush campaign is behind the Swift Boat ads, is designed to make it appear that McCain is bashing Bush. McCain heads Bush's re-election bid in Arizona and has asked Kerry not to use him in the Democratic ads.

What breathtaking hypocrisy. Bush is supposed to demand that the SVFT ads come down, even though he is legally forbidden from doing so. Meanwhile, McCain asks Kerry not to use him in his ads, and the Dems essentially tell him to take a flying leap!

7 posted on 08/23/2004 1:17:16 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: kattracks

Source

8 posted on 08/23/2004 1:20:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: adam_az

"Bush smeared John McCain four years ago. Now, he's doing it to John Kerry."





NO, that ad is powerful and only McCain can rightfully denounce it.


9 posted on 08/23/2004 1:25:49 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: adam_az

This ad was edited like a Micheal Moore movie. By that I mean, everything was taken out of context.


10 posted on 08/23/2004 1:27:38 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: onyx

"NO, that ad is powerful and only McCain can rightfully denounce it."

I disagree, the only people who will understand it will not change their mind about that incident.


11 posted on 08/23/2004 1:29:08 AM PDT by adam_az (http://blogspirator.blogspot.com)
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To: onyx

McCain has denounced it too! By saying he doesn't want his image featured in a Democrat ad! :)


12 posted on 08/23/2004 1:29:14 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: adam_az

They wasted a bunch of money on this ad IMHO. It won't entice any new voters into their rolls, especially the undecideds.


13 posted on 08/23/2004 1:31:15 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Then McCain had better tell the Kerry people to pull the ad or to remove the headshot of McCain.


14 posted on 08/23/2004 1:32:26 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: adam_az

Then disagree we shall.
It is powerful, albeit an unconscionable smear.


15 posted on 08/23/2004 1:33:46 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: onyx

I agree it is powerful .. but I also think it will backfire on Kerry by pulling McCain into this


16 posted on 08/23/2004 1:35:55 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Mo1

Especially IF McCain speaks up and denounces it.


17 posted on 08/23/2004 1:37:31 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: onyx

The ad is totally out of context, whether McCain is in it or not.


18 posted on 08/23/2004 1:39:07 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: onyx

I will admit I haven't seen the ad, but I have read the transcript of the exchange between Bush and McCain from that ad side by side with the full transcript of the 2000 debate the videoclip is from, at Bob Jones Univ. in SC.


19 posted on 08/23/2004 1:41:03 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: Mo1; onyx

Powerful in what way? McCain lost SC not because of what McCain said Bush did in SC, McCain lost SC because he was too liberal.


20 posted on 08/23/2004 1:44:04 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

This ad is BAD.
Folks who like McCain and remember SC's feud,
do not necessarily follow politics like we do here
and this ad has the potential of hurting POTUS.

Plus, POTUS has already endured $63 million dollars worth
of attack ads launched against him. This one is really
over the top. The others are and were sort of laughable,
this one "can" hurt.


21 posted on 08/23/2004 1:45:14 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; Mo1


You'll just have to see it.
If you taped MTP, you'll see it in the first segment.


22 posted on 08/23/2004 1:46:07 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: onyx
If you taped MTP, you'll see it in the first segment.

Ah, OK, thanks for the heads-up. Yep, I did tape MTP. I'll watch it tomorrow morning.

23 posted on 08/23/2004 1:49:24 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: onyx

Like I said, he should denounce the ad, and not make a half-hearted attempt to get his face off DNC advertisements set out to smear Bush. A little consistency on McCain's part is in order. Afterall, he denounced the Swiftee's ad and told them to pull their ads.


24 posted on 08/23/2004 1:51:31 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Exactly right.
John must denounce this ad and tell Kerry to stop using him in his ads.

John needs an ad of his own, but of course he'll NEVER do
that --- it's his and Feingold's mess as is.



25 posted on 08/23/2004 1:55:38 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: onyx

Everybody has found the loophole in CFR, and nary a word is said from either one of the authors. The whole thing is a disgusting mess.


26 posted on 08/23/2004 2:04:58 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; onyx
Powerful in what way?

It's his tone of voice ..

With that said it will back fire on Kerry because it cuts off what the President actually said and McCain doesn't want to be pulled in the middle of Kerry's problems

Kerry will try to make it a debate issue .. but Bush has always stated that Kerry and mcCain had served with honor

27 posted on 08/23/2004 2:30:07 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Mo1

No doubt Kerry will make it an issue during the debate. The worst thing President Bush needs to do is actually jump into the fray, so far he has shown no signs of jumping into the fray. If Bush stays above the fray, it will only show Kerry to be a petty man hellbent on acquiring more power.


28 posted on 08/23/2004 2:39:06 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: onyx
It may be a powerful ad. John McCain should denounce it.

That said, the SwiftVets are kicking Kerry's ass. I don't think it's gonna make a difference what ads he runs.
29 posted on 08/23/2004 3:21:23 AM PDT by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: onyx

BOB DOLE negated everything this ad says or does. kerry is "damaged goods". The stink of his lies will NEVER wash off.

LLS


30 posted on 08/23/2004 4:47:41 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Continued Job creation will not matter, if kerry "Outsources" our National Defense!)
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To: onyx
Only to well-informed citizens, almost all of whom have already decided their votes.

I don't think that any swing voters will understand what the heck MORON.ORG is trying to do with their ads.

31 posted on 08/23/2004 6:36:58 AM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: martin_fierro
Cut It Out! No, Wait! Bring It On!

ROFLMAO
32 posted on 08/23/2004 6:47:05 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls - Proof that when the Main Stream Media wants your opinion, they will give it to you)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; MeekOneGOP; devolve; PhilDragoo; potlatch; JohnHuang2; Smartass; Mia T
Thats Right.
John Kerry is a . .
VIET CON

33 posted on 08/23/2004 6:47:30 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (JOHN KERRY is as much like the WORKING MAN as WHOOPIE GOLDBERG is to GEORGE W. BUSH! - Vote BUSH!)
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To: martin_fierro


34 posted on 08/23/2004 10:18:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Happy2BMe


Thats Right.
John Kerry is a . .
VIET CON




35 posted on 08/23/2004 10:20:09 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Good for Dole...More vets like him should step up.

THANKS FOR     THE PING!

Click here to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!

36 posted on 08/23/2004 4:16:02 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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