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Kerry never bled, says 'friend' Dole (Vanessa Kerry Speaks)
New York Daily News ^ | 8/23/04 | JAMES GORDON MEEK

Posted on 08/23/2004 1:32:15 AM PDT by kattracks

WASHINGTON - Former Sen. Bob Dole joined Vietnam Swift boat vets who question John Kerry's combat heroics, claiming yesterday the Democratic presidential candidate's three Purple Hearts got him out of the war - but without a scratch.

Dole, a Kansas Republican who was horribly wounded in Italy during World War II and who lost his own presidential bid in 1996, said his "good friend" and "hero" Kerry embellished his war experiences.

"I respect his record, but three Purple Hearts and [Kerry] never bled that I know of," Dole told CNN's "Late Edition." "I mean, they're all superficial wounds."

Dole also faulted Kerry for post-Vietnam comments about military atrocities. "Maybe [Kerry] should apologize to all the other 2.5million veterans who served," Dole said.

The continued carping over Kerry's heroism appears to be taking a toll on his children.

"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS' "Face the Nation."

Last week, Kerry slammed President Bush - who has not condemned ads by the anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth - for allowing supporters to do his "dirty work."

Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman again denied that the campaign has any ties to the Swift boat spots, but hours earlier, Bush-Cheney veterans adviser Ken Cordier, who was in one of the ads, resigned.

Among other revelations touted by Kerry aides decrying the GOP "smear campaign" were reports that party leaders in Minnesota and Florida promoted the anti-Kerry group's ads with flyers and on the Web.

There also were signs that the critics' stories, while clearly hurting Kerry, are showing cracks under scrutiny. Several veterans who personally witnessed Kerry's heroics have recently come forward for the first time to defend him, and official documents also cast serious doubt on the claims of cowardice.

When "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace thrust several after-action combat reports at longtime Kerry critic Van O'Dell, the ex-gunner's mate admitted he lacks proof on paper that his former superior fabricated his deeds. "I do not have a single document," he replied. "Just seven eyewitness accounts."

Originally published on August 23, 2004



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bobdole; kerry; medicalrecords; purplehearts
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"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS' "Face the Nation."

We know he served, dear. The question is did he lie?

And no, we don't want to see his scars (especilly no the one on his a...er.. buttocks. We just want to see his records.

1 posted on 08/23/2004 1:32:15 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS' "Face the Nation."

That your father did, in fact, "serve" is scarcely at issue here, Vanessa, my poppet.

On which SIDE he served, on the other hand... :)

2 posted on 08/23/2004 1:37:40 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: kattracks

"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS' "Face the Nation."





LOL!
To prove her father SERVED in VietNam.

She's as dumb as he is.


3 posted on 08/23/2004 1:39:55 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: onyx

that piece of rice in his buttocks is imprinted with the NV Flag ...proof postive he served.


4 posted on 08/23/2004 1:42:09 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: kattracks

"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS' "Face the Nation."

None of them, sweety. Just the medical records is fine. By the way, does he know how "French" it is to send women out to defend him?


5 posted on 08/23/2004 1:42:36 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: kattracks

"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS"

Erm... the one in the But-Tox ???

or is it Bo-Tox?


Run Forest Run! (for the Whitehouse)


6 posted on 08/23/2004 1:44:07 AM PDT by BritishBulldog
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To: onyx

The acorn doesn't fall very far from the tree, does it?


7 posted on 08/23/2004 1:45:08 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: kattracks
John McCain: First Amendment Control Commisar

Source

8 posted on 08/23/2004 1:45:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: kattracks

Vanessa Kerry. Which one is she? The who showed the whole world her breasts in France, or the one who looks like a hatchet with blond hair?


9 posted on 08/23/2004 1:49:58 AM PDT by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: kattracks
Several veterans who personally witnessed Kerry's heroics have recently come forward for the first time to defend him.....

Several?
I suppose we'll find out who they are about the same time we'll get to review JF'nK's military records.

10 posted on 08/23/2004 1:53:06 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: kattracks

And if he did - was the blood BLUE.... ?


11 posted on 08/23/2004 2:01:00 AM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

"Face the Nation" should be renamed to "Get Your Daughter to Face the Nation"


12 posted on 08/23/2004 2:05:31 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: kattracks

Could someone please post this article/interview with Kerry/Edwards and the plan for Iraq and more. Interview by Inkeep at Redstate site. "The disengagement" By: tacitus

Ed. note: This is part one of a two-part piece both parts at site. http://www.redstate.org/story/2004/8/7/123128/4371 Thankyou all


13 posted on 08/23/2004 2:05:32 AM PDT by anglian
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To: kattracks
"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS' "Face the Nation."

Anybody listen to Drudge last night? I had the radio on in the background and wasn't listening too much until I heard him say something about getting Kerry to drop his drawers and show us his scar.

I didn't catch the context of the conversation, but now that his daughter's bringing it up, maybe it's a good idea, LOL.

14 posted on 08/23/2004 2:14:44 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: kattracks

Dole asks for an apology for 2.5 million vets. Did any strategist on the Kerry campaign ever splain to John F'n that you can't alienate 2.5 million people, plus their families, then trash the National guard(and their families). Don't know the multiple here, but that's a high number of people to trash and hope to win an election. Keep up the good work John.


15 posted on 08/23/2004 2:27:26 AM PDT by conshack
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To: dawn53

Vanessa, buttercup, {in the spirit of us calling her poppet and dear}, stay on the porch and let the big dogs go with this one. You don't want Bob Dole AKA Uncle Bob going medieval on your darling little butt now do you?


16 posted on 08/23/2004 3:46:18 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Belisaurius

The hatchet.


17 posted on 08/23/2004 3:52:08 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: onyx

You don't understand. The strategy now is to say the Kerry served in Nam while Bush (like Clinton) did not. Now dishonorable service in Nam trumps honorable service on US soil, and Guard service is equated to draft dodging. Only from the mind of a 'Rat.


18 posted on 08/23/2004 3:52:56 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Jean Fraude Kerrí pour le Presidenté--Non!)
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To: kattracks
"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see?

I sure don't want to see the "rice/*ss wound on Kerry!

19 posted on 08/23/2004 3:56:11 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: texasflower
The hatchet.

OK, when do we get to see her breasts then?:)
20 posted on 08/23/2004 3:57:27 AM PDT by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington


Team Kerry has desperation written all over it.


21 posted on 08/23/2004 4:01:11 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS' "Face the Nation."

Well it doesn't matter which ones he shows us. Unless he signs a release so we can see his military records we have no idea if the scars he is showing us are the ones he got the purple hearts for. Kerry could make this all go away if he signed a release for all his records. Now go back to daddy and tell him to prove us wrong.

22 posted on 08/23/2004 4:02:25 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Eggzactly!

We have heard of the comparison of their service to their country.

Now, let us hear of their comparative records of disservice to their country.

23 posted on 08/23/2004 4:05:26 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: kattracks
We know he served, dear. The question is did he lie?

And Earth to FNC: Enough with the pi$$ing and moaning about whether this Swift boat controversy is newsworthy. It is. If you would just investigate and answer the question of whether Kerry is an opportunistic pathological liar, IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

We report, you decide, remember?

24 posted on 08/23/2004 4:09:52 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: kattracks
Would you boast of his scars from CPR's
to rodents, to rodents
and not allow, to be fair,
us to compare
his supposed scars
in actual wars
with the records, the records,
the memories of those who saw
the actual events and what went on?
25 posted on 08/23/2004 4:10:01 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: kattracks

This is getting stranger and stranger!
If Kerry's wounds were one bandaid, one contusion and one gauze patch, how can he even find them 35 years later?


26 posted on 08/23/2004 4:11:30 AM PDT by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947, but some are still hoping!)
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To: kattracks
"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS' "Face the Nation."

Is this the daughter we've seen far too much of? I don't care to see scars from being "pushed" off his snowboard by his secret service, I want to see the original untouched military records and that common man's wife's full tax return.

27 posted on 08/23/2004 4:11:55 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: dawn53

One better...let's see some X-Rays. I would wager considerable money that he has nothing in his butt, as of this minute. Give that liar 30 minutes notice and he would have something surgically implanted to save his sorry @ss. Wonder how many hand scans he has gone through at airports from making the scanner go off. Answer: NONE


28 posted on 08/23/2004 4:14:59 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver (www.RealHeroesVoices.com....see the real John Kerry)
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To: kattracks

"I bled in Vietnam before I didn't!"


29 posted on 08/23/2004 4:20:30 AM PDT by The G Man (Mass. Democratic Senators ... always running off whenever one of their passengers goes in the water!)
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To: kattracks

BTTT


30 posted on 08/23/2004 4:22:07 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (I'll vote Republican till the day I die then I'll vote democrat.)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
I would wager considerable money that he has nothing in his butt, as of this minute.

Don't wager too heavily on that particular proposition, pal.

He is a liberal, after all. :)

31 posted on 08/23/2004 4:23:16 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Belisaurius

This is curious too. I have a bunch of scars and my kids couldn't identify the origin of any of them.
Do you suppose he told his children stuff like "And this is where I was grievously wounded in the Battle of the Chateaubriand etc"?


32 posted on 08/23/2004 4:24:54 AM PDT by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947, but some are still hoping!)
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"I do not have a single document," he replied. "Just seven eyewitness accounts."

Looks like the Navy needs to institute multiple sign-offs on after action reports.

I noticed that Reuters is headlining essentially the same story with "Vietnam Vet Says Has No Proof for Claim Kerry Lied". Don't courts accept eyewitness accounts as proof? Or are just documents "proof" these days?

33 posted on 08/23/2004 4:36:35 AM PDT by GregoryFul (Liberals are pathological liars. They admire liars, they regale in lies, they spread lies.)
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"I just have the question of which wound do you want to see? Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" Vanessa Kerry told CBS' "Face the Nation."

Bring on the microscope!

34 posted on 08/23/2004 4:46:23 AM PDT by GregoryFul (Liberals are pathological liars. They admire liars, they regale in lies, they spread lies.)
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To: kattracks

Why the hell is Vanessa Kerry on Face the Nation??


35 posted on 08/23/2004 4:50:13 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg
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To: conshack

Kerry will regret he brought up Vietnam. It was a controversial war and still is. It's sheared in the american psyche. He opened a can of worms.


36 posted on 08/23/2004 5:02:28 AM PDT by Milligan
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To: kattracks

How to tell someone is lying.

1. Their eyes cast down when they lie.
2. They add too much.
3. Nervous laughter.
4. They feign ignorance about something you know they know.
5. They take charge of the conversation to distract/divert you.
6. They play on your friendship: asking you to just trust them,
7. You sense that something is off; any clue will do.
8. You find YOUR eyes squinting and your head angling several degrees.
9. When you ask for an explanation/clarification, there's a momentary gap while they conjure up something.
10. Explanations are given, that, while plausible, aren't good enough for YOU.

This piece was originally submitted by Thomas J. Leonard, Infopreneur, who can be reached at thomas@thomasleonard.com, or visited on the web.


37 posted on 08/23/2004 5:12:14 AM PDT by TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa (Foe Hammer!)
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To: GregoryFul
Where do documents come from? From someone's eyewitness report.

Document are not MAGIC.

In this case, the documents allegedly were written by Kerry.

So we have dueling eye-witness reports.

Kerry's report vs. seven of his fellow sailors.

Who are you going to believe?

38 posted on 08/23/2004 6:11:17 AM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

A new twist in the " I saved the hamster" story?


39 posted on 08/23/2004 6:21:34 AM PDT by NYCop (Bush, the right choice for real men)
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40 posted on 08/23/2004 6:23:21 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: kattracks

This is Dole slapping Harkin for those remarks about Cheney.


41 posted on 08/23/2004 6:24:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: GeorgiaDawg
Why the hell is Vanessa Kerry on Face the Nation??

Because she's the only Kerry with the guts to show up?

42 posted on 08/23/2004 6:41:36 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: kattracks
Does Lurch have real blood? How could he bleed?
43 posted on 08/23/2004 6:48:51 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: chilepepper

" Kerry never bled "

It was just ...ketchup !


44 posted on 08/23/2004 7:26:01 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: kattracks
Wonder who wrote " Which scar do you need to see to prove that my father served?" A Campaign staffer? Or Kerry himself, on his famous yellow pad.

Pretty dramatic language all right. But not very courageous of Kerry to send his daughter out to defend his heroism. I mean, can you even imagine George Bush putting one of his girls on the political pyre?

45 posted on 08/23/2004 7:29:04 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@John Kerry Promised To Fight...We Didn't Know He Would Put His Daughter On The Frontlines.com)
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To: kattracks
Guess what the NYT says about the Bob Dole comments?

Ans. NOTHING

They were too busy linking Bush with the Swiftboats!
46 posted on 08/23/2004 7:33:19 AM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: Belisaurius

LOL! I wouldn't have quite the same interest as you in that matter, but if I hear that she's been flashing, I'll be sure and ping you!

I did read something about her having "been with" Ben Affleck.

So, I guess he's seen them......


47 posted on 08/23/2004 7:42:16 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Thanks, lost my head saying that...should have added the word "metal" after watching him fondling the "boy".


48 posted on 08/23/2004 8:00:39 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver (www.RealHeroesVoices.com....see the real John Kerry)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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A magical doll (also known as ritual effigies, voodoo dolls, Kolossos and Kolossoi) made for the purpose of spell-casting and/or ritual magic in Witchcraft and Voodoo.

Poppets are usually made to represent someone or something that for some reason is not present at the ritual performance, or it is the object of the spell-casting.

If the spell is a curse, the poppet is either pierced with pins, nails or shards, bound with cord, covered with hot candle wax or hung by the neck. This actions are supposed to bring death, misfortune, illness, or to bind and stop someone from a particular activity.


49 posted on 08/23/2004 8:04:47 AM PDT by Helms ( And the Sand-Monkeys saw that the Sand had become Glass and the light shown as from Two Suns)
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To: igoramus987

Here is Kerry, instructing Vanessa on how to make irrelevant statements to national media. Image is from an upcoming crockumentary on Mitty Kerry's life.
50 posted on 08/23/2004 8:11:50 AM PDT by rabidralph (Arm Tibet!)
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