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Why does John Kerry fail to mention his time on the USS GRIDLEY?
USS Gridley (CG-21) Website page on John Kerry ^ | 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Posted on 08/23/2004 3:15:07 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Why does John Kerry not mention the USS Gridley CG-21
Shipmates that actually served with him,
on the same ship,
at the same time remember him.
So since John Kerry is on the campaign trail I'll remind him.


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KEYWORDS: kerry; militaryrecord; ussgridley

1 posted on 08/23/2004 3:15:08 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; Jet Jaguar; armyboy; ..

Help John Kerry remember the USS Gridley CG-21 PING

GRIDLEY Crew members (67-68) say Kerry exaggerated in TOUR OF DUTY

"...John Kerry and I were shipmates in the guided missile cruiser USS
Gridley (CG-21) in 1967 and 1968. He served as First Lieutenant, the
officer in charge of the deck division, and I was Executive Officer,
or second in command..."

"...But there is also no doubt in my mind that his anti-war
activities while our troops were still fighting, dying and being
tortured in filthy Vietnam prisons were despicable.

For that reason, even aside from his anti-defense voting record in
the Senate, he is one ex-shipmate that I could never support as
commander-in-chief of the armed forces."

J. F. Kelly, Jr.

USS Gridley (CG-21) Executive Officer in 1967 and 1968.

GRIDLEY Website page on John Kerry

http://home.nycap.rr.com/pwcarter/the%20kerry%20page.html

Other crew members speak about John Kerry

(Looks like Kerry's shipmates, who did serve with him,
say he lied and told whoopers about his time on the GRIDLEY.

Remember these are not Swift Boat Vets,

BUT Kerry's crewmates who served with him on the GRIDLEY)

Examples follow:

"As everyone must surely know by now, John F. Kerry came on board
GRIDLEY as a boot Ensign when we returned from our 1967 Westpac
Cruise. He remained on GRIDLEY through the 1968 cruise. Politics
aside, shipmates of the time who have read TOUR OF DUTY, the
authorized campaign biography, will have something to say about the
chapter on GRIDLEY. "



1. Kerry never talked about his time on GRIDLEY. He says on page
74 that it is because “nothing much of note” happened while
he was
onboard. He uses words like monotony and tedious, when, despite
being a boot ensign he was given every opportunity for responsibility
by Captain Slifer and Commander Kelly (XO). He came aboard
designated for Electrical Officer (80100), a grunt position in the
Engineering Department and spent four months in that position. He
was assigned duty as First Lieutenant, as Commander Kelly recalls,
because of his knowledge of seamanship and his experiences with small
boats and sailing. Besides being responsible for the decks of the
ship, the First Lieutenant is also responsible for the ship’s
small
boats. He also was assigned collateral duties as Public Affairs
Officer. Despite all the responsibilities he was given, he gives the
impression that serving on GRIDLEY was somehow beneath him. He
certainly had less of an opportunity to collect “gongs” there.

2. Page 78 – “motivate 400 swabbies” – The First
Lieutenant is
responsible only for the personnel of 1st Division, not the entire
crew. 1st Division had a roster of about 30 in 1968. To the extent
that other divisions had responsibility for deck space, their
officers would have been responsible for motivating them.

3. Page 87 has Kerry “shuttling sailors and provisions”
between
GRIDLEY and KITTY HAWK in a small motor whaleboat out in the Gulf of
Tonkin. The regular method of travel between the two ships was via
helo. That is how I went over to the KITTY HAWK. If such an event
did occur, it would have been unusual and hardly a shuttle.

4. Later on page 87 Kerry talks about Olongapo in the Philippines.
He talks about bloated corpses floating in the river and starving
women with babies dying of malnutrition. Now Olongapo was a wild and
wooly town that existed solely for the entertainment of the US Navy,
but in over three years of calling there, I never saw a single
instance of either thing happening. Kerry uncovered this in his
first visit. If this was from his letters home then he was certainly
writing for dramatic effect. Balderdash.

5. The trip to Danang – GRIDLEY went into Danang for briefings
before going to Northern SAR. This section is so full of hyperbole
that the urge to giggle is almost uncontrollable. “The panic and
pressure onboard GRIDLEY, strapping on a .45, wondering if I would
have to use it, B-52’s howling overhead”. A B-52 over Danang
would
have been so high that only contrails would have been visible, cloud
cover permitting. David Simons confirmed my recollection that during
our brief stay in Danang Harbor, the sky was overcast to the point of
being ominous.

More seriously, no one can remember John Kerry going ashore. I was
part of the shore party that went to Monkey Mountain. We were taken
in a screened in truck (to protect against grenades being tossed in)
and made to unload our .45’s. The driver said that he did not
want
us newbies to shoot anyone by accident.

Neither Commander Kelly nor LCDR Rueckert (Kerry’s immediate
boss)
can recall approving a trip ashore for Ensign Kerry. The author uses
remarks of David Simons IC2 as a lead in to the Danang section. I
spoke to David and he has no personal knowledge of Kerry going ashore
at all. He did talk to a researcher and made some generic remarks
about Danang but had never discussed Danang with Kerry. He recalls
arguing with the researcher because he tried to put the
words “cowboy” in his mouth, which ended up in the book.

There is no mystery about the “gruesome site of a pile of dead
VC.”
We saw no sign of anything like this. However, our escort to Monkey
Mountain did tell us how the VC bodies were stacked up on the
LZ’s
after the TET Offensive, which had been several months before.
Ensign Kerry would have been told this story by members of the shore
party.

If, indeed, he got to the pier, because he was in charge of the
motor whaleboat, it certainly would not have been within his purview
to wander Danang, eating dog meat and drinking beer in a bar (under
arms). It also seems amazing that he had all these observations on
Vietnam in such a brief visit.

6. In command – Again with the hyperbole. Kerry makes much
about
being “in charge” of the ship after the Captain and XO. The
OOD is
in charge of the operation of the ship during his four hour watch but
hardly in charge of the ship. Kerry qualified almost immediately as
OOD(P), in port OOD but that is a given. For much of his time
onboard he would have been Junior Officer of the Deck when underway.
Although his fitness report as of 22 March says "he is qualified as
OOD(I) now" (Independent steaming – with no ships or land
anywhere
near) , only OOD(P) is listed under duties. His Fitness Report from
July 1968 lists two months as OOD(I) which would mean he qualified
after leaving the war zone.


2 posted on 08/23/2004 3:18:13 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Because being aid-de-camp to the guy in charge of latrine/head cleaning details is not exactly getting elected material!!!


3 posted on 08/23/2004 3:19:21 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The time is coming for all true Patriots to rise up and take back this Republic!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

here's a list of kerry's medals and awards while he was on
the USS Gridley :



















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4 posted on 08/23/2004 3:21:41 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Were there any opportunities for a Purple Heart aboard Gridley?


5 posted on 08/23/2004 3:21:49 PM PDT by kddid (Find good in bad.)
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To: All

ATTN : ABC CBS CNN FOX NBC William B. Rood was not actually ON Kerry's boat

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197046/posts


6 posted on 08/23/2004 3:21:52 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Was it named for "Fire when ready, Gridley" fame?
7 posted on 08/23/2004 3:24:07 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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"He was and to my recollection was well liked. Did he stalk the passageways showing his future presidential timber? Absolutely not. A reporter from the Chicago Tribune actually asked me that. When I told him that he was just another goofy Ensign, he was horrified and did not use that quote."

My favorite quote. This guy is a straight shooter.

8 posted on 08/23/2004 3:26:10 PM PDT by twgiles
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To: kingattax

Great post. Laughed out loud.


9 posted on 08/23/2004 3:30:44 PM PDT by Shannon
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To: All

Exposing Kerry's Vietnam "record" WITHOUT mention of Swift Boat Vets Thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197486/posts


10 posted on 08/23/2004 3:31:48 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Good Job, Tonk.


11 posted on 08/23/2004 3:36:06 PM PDT by Diver Dave (Stay Prayed Up)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

" There is no mystery about the “gruesome site of a pile of dead
VC.”
We saw no sign of anything like this. However, our escort to Monkey
Mountain did tell us how the VC bodies were stacked up on the
LZ’s
after the TET Offensive, which had been several months before.
Ensign Kerry would have been told this story by members of the shore
party. "

The lie about the bodies stacked like cordwood
continues in Michael Kranish's book-" John F Kerry, The Official Biography By The Boston Globe reporters Who Know Him Best,"
Page 67 :

" The ship stopped only briefly at a US base in Vietnam , where he noticed bodies of Vietcong piled like cordwood."


12 posted on 08/23/2004 3:37:48 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( When the going gets tough-John Kerry gets going-far away)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping Tonk.


13 posted on 08/23/2004 3:39:44 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Why Does John Kerry Fail to Mention the Time he has Served in the U.S. Senate?
14 posted on 08/23/2004 3:41:57 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: kingattax
here's a list of kerry's medals and awards while he was on the USS Gridley :

(blank space)

Not true.

At that point in time, he would have already gotten his National Service Medal.

By going into the Vietnam operating area, he qualified for the Vietnam Service Medal (with one bronze star) and the Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal.

15 posted on 08/23/2004 3:48:10 PM PDT by Bob
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump


16 posted on 08/23/2004 3:51:11 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: kingattax
Those are some impressive awards, especially this one...

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17 posted on 08/23/2004 4:05:27 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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18 posted on 08/23/2004 4:07:51 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: Bob

I have to agree on that point. When I joined the reserves, I also got the National Defense Medal.


19 posted on 08/23/2004 4:11:55 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Keep them coming Tonk, its always a pleasure and an education reading your posts.


20 posted on 08/23/2004 4:16:25 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Kerry talks about Olongapo in the Philippines. ........


I lived on base at Subic Bay and was a member of the Olongapo Jaycees..... 1966/67. There were no corpses in the Olomgopo river, there were no starving mothers or children.

There were tons of children it's the Philippino way. There was poverty but the Zambales provence is Rural. There are more prostitutes/square foot than any place I have ever been but when the Big E came to port she brought with her a shore party of 10,000 sailors.

Kerry is confusing the realities of Olongopo with the left wing sobstories about Tondo, an area of severe poverty near the dump in Manila. More fiction from the Senator.

Lastly, my son was born in the US Naval Hospital, Subic Bay.......his official place of birth Olongapo, Zambales, Republic of the Philippines, Try to write all that in the Place of Bitrth application blanks..


21 posted on 08/23/2004 4:20:12 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I was wondering about two of his fitreps from the Gridley. In the Sep67-Mar68 fitrep it references a letter from Mr. Kenneth D Clements and his Mar68-Jul68 fitrep references a letter from the Honorable John F. Henning. The messages which are referenced in the same blocks are attached to the file, and are congratulatory messages to the ship for activities not specific to Kerry. I wonder what the letters are and why they aren't included in the file?


22 posted on 08/23/2004 4:20:50 PM PDT by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: bert

Anybody who was in Subic knows this is just another Kerry lie.

Anybody but the media.


23 posted on 08/23/2004 4:23:00 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: Enterprise
I have to agree on that point. When I joined the reserves, I also got the National Defense Medal.

Well, it took two of us but we have managed to come up with the correct name for it:

It's the National Defense Service Medal.

AFAIK, anyone serving at the time got one regardless of branch and reserve/active status.

24 posted on 08/23/2004 4:26:08 PM PDT by Bob
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
The Senator's departure from fact and first hand evidence, makes his view of all things Viet Nam more in the genre of a Flash Gordon - making himself appear larger than life - in print. Unfortunately his book was not meant to be fiction, however it reveals a large ego and a dishonest bent; and his testimony before the senate was not meant to be a work of fiction either but both are to a large extent.

Senator Kerry’s record in the senate has a similar pallor of disingenuousness to it. This is a playboy playing at politics – gets him into places the average man cannot go.

25 posted on 08/23/2004 5:10:03 PM PDT by yoe (When is a wound not a wound? When you are wound up in self-serving, self-aggrandizing efforts.....)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"Harkin on Friday said he was unaware of any tour with Cleland, stood by his remarks about Cheney and said he will continue to speak out whenever Republicans "impugn the honor and integrity of a veteran.""

Just what are the "Hanoi John" Democrats, including "Harkin" doing with the "Swift Boat Vets for Truth" Veterans. Are the these any less honorable, than America's other Vets.

THANKS FOR     THE PING!

26 posted on 08/23/2004 5:26:34 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Excellent Post! I wonder about his heroics in OCS/etc.


27 posted on 08/23/2004 5:38:24 PM PDT by Joee
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

"Anybody who was in Subic knows this is just another Kerry lie."

It never did smell very good, but, oh, such fun. AND, back then San Miguel beer wasn't pasteurized, it tasted mahvelous!!! Especially at one P per bottle, 25 cents.


28 posted on 08/23/2004 5:47:15 PM PDT by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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To: Bob

"It's the National Defense Service Medal."

In the Navy, it was referred to, even in boot camp, as the Geedunk medal, the Geedunk being the little shop you went to for a snack. Everybody goes, everybody gets a medal.


29 posted on 08/23/2004 5:49:38 PM PDT by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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To: RetiredArmy

I'm not sure if you're joking or not but you're right on target. Kerry was basically the janitor-in-chief on the Gridley in that position. The division he led which included the boatswain mates and those either not striking for any rate or striking for boatswain mates was typically responsible for the cleaning and upkeeping of the decks, main passageways and yes the enlisted mens' head. They also took care of and operated the ship's small boats.

Doesn't exactly fit in with Kerry's Apocalypse Now fantasies.


30 posted on 08/23/2004 6:30:57 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Why does he not mention that he tried to get a deferment, but was denied?


31 posted on 08/23/2004 6:44:22 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
There was a large Naval crowd of men on the USS Gridley.   There was no place to hide or for him to fake getting wounded.   There was no personal 8mm filming being done, starring him.   Just plain old boring Naval sea duty.

THANKS FOR THE PING!




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32 posted on 08/23/2004 6:45:33 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
interesting. was he on the gridley longer than the four months he spent on the swifts? he would rather talk about 4 months of his life 30 years ago than his entire public life in the senate, so it wouldn't surprise me.
33 posted on 08/23/2004 6:48:08 PM PDT by smonk
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Well, I dont want to stick up for Kerry, but I was in the Po several times, Feb 1980, June 1980, Feb 81 and June 81

I saw LOTS of poverty, lots of women begging in the streets in 1980, lots of street walkers, toothless street walkers, syphilitic street walkers, saw the streets cleaned up by June 81 when Martial Law was ended. They even paved a sidewalk, took out the boards that separated the sidewalk from the street and made a real sidewalk!

I will never forget the little kids begging for Pesos, nor will I forget the Shit River Queens at night in their Bonka Boats, (Please, Sir, Throw me coin), or the kids who scuba dived for coins off the bridge in the daytime. (Hey, Joe! Throw me coin Please!)

I remember the men coming to greet us in the field when we did an op in the Zimbales before leaving for Iran, trying to sell us anythng and everything, Bolo knives mostly, and seeing the women who came out there to sell their own daughters to the Marines in the field.

There was tons of poverty.

I NEVER saw a human floating down the river, I did see a dog and some birds and something quite rotted once, but never a human.



34 posted on 08/23/2004 6:57:39 PM PDT by RaceBannon (KERRY FLED . . . WHILE GOOD MEN BLED!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Because it suits him.


35 posted on 08/23/2004 6:58:29 PM PDT by jimfree (We serve no whine before its time.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Below is a letter to the editor of the US Naval Institute Proceedings from a Kerry superior in Vietnam in response to an interview with Kerry’s biographer (Douglas Brinkley) in the May issue.

I have emphasized certain areas for your review and consideration.

Their website is http://www.navalinstitute.org

“Interview: Douglas Brinkley”
(See p. 56, May 2004 Proceedings)

Captain James F. Kelly, U.S. Navy (Retired)---Every candidate for public office probably has some excess baggage to carry that he’d rather not have. With Senator John Kerry, it’s undoubtedly his anti-Vietnam War activism that followed his heroic naval service in Vietnam.

John Kerry and I were shipmates in the guided missile cruiser USS Gridley (CG-21) in 1967 and 1968. He served as first lieutenant, the office in charge of the deck division, and I was executive officer. I remember him as a serious and intelligent young ensign, seemingly mature beyond his years. The skipper and I were mightily impressed with him in spite of his inexperience. He had excellent verbal skills and great poise so we assigned him a collateral duty as public affairs officer. Because of these duties and his basic responsibilities for seamanship evolutions and the overall external appearance of the ship, I had close, daily contact with him. (In other words, I would be all over his case if the ship wasn’t shipshape.) Turns out he didn’t need too much supervision in that regard. He was a fine division officer, and his men obviously respected him.

We deployed from San Diego to the Vietnam theater in early 1968 after only a six-month turnaround, and spent most of a four-month deployment on rescue station in the Gulf of Tonkin, standing by to pick up downed aviators. It was a fairly grueling tour of duty. Our helicopter was hit trying to rescue a downed pilot and the door gunner was killed. The crew performed well, and John Kerry’s performance in all aspects of his duty was outstanding. Drafting his fitness report was an exercise in the use of superlatives. In fact, of the 30 or so officers, I counted him in the top half dozen, no mean feat for an ensign.

I tried to interest him in a naval career. Silly me! It was obvious he had bigger fish to fry. I drafted the favorable endorsement on his request for swift boat duty on the rivers of Vietnam, where he distinguished himself in combat. Before he left, he gave me his bridge coat and several other uniform items, saying that he wouldn’t be needing them in the “brown water” Navy. Aside from a Christmas card and an aborted phone call, I didn’t hear further from John until I read about his antiwar antics, including his appearance with Jane Fonda and the famous episode of throwing medals onto the steps of the Capitol during a protest. While he was protesting against the war, many of us were still fighting in it. Many of us felt betrayed that one of our own, a decorated hero, would give comfort to the enemy by such actions. Think what you want about the wisdom of getting involved in that war. Two presidents, both Democrats, committed the armed forces they commanded to fight it. Make no mistake: actions by people such as Fonda and Kerry were damaging to our morale, gave aid and comfort to the forces we were fighting, and altered the eventual outcome in a manner less favorable to the United States than if they had kept their mouths shut.

The time for antiwar protests is before the war starts.

36 posted on 08/23/2004 7:15:26 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (KERRY IS A POODLE: #1 He's French, #2 He's A Rich Woman's Pet, #3 He Won't Protect You)
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To: Chieftain

That's the one he truly deserves, too.


37 posted on 08/23/2004 7:16:13 PM PDT by Lady Jag
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To: RaceBannon
In the late 50's/early 60's we referred to Olangapo as 'The armpit of the world'...GREAT LIBERTY TOWN THOUGH...there was a bridge near the main gate which crossed, for obvious reasons, what we called the "SH-T RIVER". Never quite saw a corpse, but the "Salts" used to throw coins into the 'river' and the young native lads would jump in after them. As little as the individual 'Pesato(?)' coin was worth, some clowns would actually throw slugs into the river for the little darlings to recover...Give them credit for good memories though, if they could catch one of the 'slug throwers' drunk (yes there was plenty of 'Wine, Women and Song' not necessarily in that order)they would try to separate him and work him over....ah what memories.
There is an excellent web site about Subic Bay which will really relive a lot of memories...
38 posted on 08/23/2004 7:20:39 PM PDT by xrmusn
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

The Olangapo exaggeration is truly revealing. Not only Navy, also a big Marine hang-out, but noone else ever saw what Kerry saw. I am still curious about how he did as an electrical officer as opposed to commanding 30 enlisted and doing PR. I am curious since he does not seem to have done well in manning the radar in his swift boat according to Gardner.


39 posted on 08/23/2004 7:43:05 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 08/23/2004 8:39:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: sonofatpatcher2
Was it named for "Fire when ready, Gridley" fame?

Yes it was the most recent Navy ship by that name, USS Gridley was DLG-21, a guided missile destroyer when JFnK served aboard her, but later was modified into CG-21 a guided missile cruiser. The first Gridley, DD-92 was a WW-I era destroyer, launched in 1918, decomissioned in '22, stricken from the list in '37 and scrapped in '39. The second Gridley, DD-380, was launched in '36. She was screening the Enterprise on the way back from delivering planes to Midway, when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. She was involved in many well known WW-II Pacific battles. Decommissioned in '46 and scrapped in '47.

Interestingly the first Gridley was sponsored (you know with the champaign bottle) by Mrs. Francis P. Thomas, daughter of Captain Gridley, the second by Mrs. Lewis Xuddy III, also daughter of Captain Gridley, and the third by Mrs. Stewart D. Rose, great-granddaughter of Captain Gridley.

Captain Charles Gridley was captain of the Olympia, flagship of Commodore George Dewey at the Battle of Manila, who was the one that said to open the battle, "you may fire when ready, Gridley". The Olympia even saw service in WW-I.

41 posted on 08/23/2004 9:42:44 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato

Re "Captain Charles Gridley was captain of the Olympia, flagship of Commodore George Dewey at the Battle of Manila, who was the one that said to open the battle, "you may fire when ready, Gridley". The Olympia even saw service in WW-I."

Yes, the old girl (USS Olympia) is still around, yet she needs some help. Go to http://www.spanamwar.com/olyhelp.htm and send them a few bucks...


42 posted on 08/23/2004 9:51:29 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: smonk
was he on the gridley longer than the four months he spent on the swifts?

Yes from June '67 to July '68. But as you said, he doesn't talk about it much, nor was there much in his book about that time. However the quotes above are from the "Kerry Page" on the USS Gridley site Needless to say his shipmates were not overly impressed, especially the enlisted, nor are they happy about his activities upon his return from Vietnam. Strangely enough, they think he lies the same way the SwiftVets do.

43 posted on 08/23/2004 9:56:39 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
so, when, I wonder, did kerry become a war protester? He was “an aggressive, Ambitious young officer” in his fitness reports. He was itching for battle, to hear him tell it, when he transferred to the swifts, and he was only there for four months. When did such a young man that appeared to be so dedicated to croaking enemy combatants become such a hardened war protester? Did any of his ship mates in viet nam notice?

or is this something that came over him suddenly when he realized that war hero's didn't play well in Massachusetts politics?

44 posted on 08/23/2004 10:03:11 PM PDT by smonk
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To: Bob
AFAIK, anyone serving at the time got one regardless of branch and reserve/active status.

I believe you had to serve, or be on orders to serve, for some minimum time. I don't think a two week annual tour would do it, but basic plus advanced training might be enough. I could be wrong though. I got mine for active duty time toward the end of the Vietnam era. In fact it ended while I was on active duty, serving with guys that had been there. One was an advisor to the AF-RVN, another flew C-123s (not Ranch Hand missions, but once of those would later be my reserve CO).

45 posted on 08/23/2004 10:05:57 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Chu Gary
In the Navy, it was referred to, even in boot camp, as the Geedunk medal

I've heard it referred to as the "alive in '75" medal, but of course there have been later periods when it was awarded, including from Desert Shield through at least tomorrow.

46 posted on 08/23/2004 10:09:06 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTT!!!!!!!


47 posted on 08/24/2004 3:06:24 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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