Skip to comments.Kerry document that Chris Wallace has
Posted on 08/23/2004 5:53:23 PM PDT by Logical me
Criss Wallace seems to rely very heavy on a document he has concerning Kerry's metals. He is quoting that they are the action reports. Does anyone know what this document is?
Also is this document derived from the reports Kerry's filed. If so, would this explain why this document Wallace has is in conflict with 254 SwiftVets?
This is the live thread for Chris Matthews; maybe someone can answer your question.
Maybe they're talking points from the Kerry Campaign?
Dr. Fudge alert!!
Im here dude!
Chris Wallace (FoxNews) does seem to be a couple of days behind the news curve.
Sunday, he quoted from a 1968 document. Both Brit and Bill Kristol tried to explain to him that that document was wrong. Wallace insisted it was a truthful document. Finally, almost yelling, Brit and Bill said that doc was wrong because the Kerry campaign had already contradicted it and said it was incorrect. Wallace sat silent.
Tonite on Special Report, Fred Barns did complement the WPost on writing a details article that fairly covered both sides in one of the VN issues. He did say they need to do more such articles on the other VN issues.
This story isn't going away, even though O'Reilly has a poll up on his site and he seems to be hoping it will go away.
Maybe after all of this is over, Kerry will have to join a Heavy Medal Band.
I have only watched O'Reilly when someone in the administration is on. I just can't tolerate him.
And I'll bet he hasn't read the book. And even if he does read it, my impression of O'Reilly is that he's so opinionated that he will never be able to admit that his first feeling about the Swift Boat vets was wrong.
If Kerry wrote an after aciton report wouldn't the other boat's commanders write after action reports also......We need to see them!
Action reports, if whole I don't know, for February and March 1969 can be found at Kerry site.
They're missing for December and January, known for the Cambodia allegation and the shoot-up of the sampan.
Good question.....I've been wondering the same thing! O'Neil has most likely got them too! (My copy of UNFIT will be here tomorrow!)
spell check can only do so much. "metals" is used instead of "medals", but it is spelled properly.
Remember folks that the after action reports from the destroyer "Turner Joy" also indicated that the North Vietnamese gun boats attacked the Navy ships in the Tonkin Bay. Later, they did not rely on those after action reports, they relied on the testimony of the folks who were there. After action reports are therefore not always correct. Just a thought!
After action reports support Kerry's version of events (because he probably wrote them). However, Kerry's own words as well as his biography contradict some of the accounts. What the Swifties need now is to produce some official documents to support their case. Maybe they have some lined up. Maybe that is their October surprise.
Got mine...It's not in it, but wouldn't the captain of boat "3" and the other boats also write reports? Hope the Swift Vets produce them. IT can you answer our question?
When they talked about whether there was enemy fire when Rassmussen was in the water both believe Rassussen because there is no document saying there was no enemy fire.
What I want to know is how would all those boats not have bullet holes if they were under heavy enemy fire? And we're supposed to believe Rassmusen who was in the water and not the guys on boats who had a better view?
The papers are the fictious accounts the fraud wrote about himself to provide "cover his ass paperwork" to justify his medals.. And these bozos are claiming its "official US Navy documents so it must be gods honest truth. What fools and todies exist in our press today??? There is a tradition of cover your ass paperwork in the military, but his deceptions rise to new hieghts!
On johnkerry.com, you can look at his copies of all of his awards and dd-214. The Bronze Star and Silver Star which were awarded in 1969-70 were signed by SECNAV John Lehman. The only problem with that is that Lehman was SECNAV for RR in 1981. Any possibility that the awards needed to be cleaned up for a sitting Senator?
I wonder why Kerry didn't report he was aware of a possible conspiracy to KILL a number of U.S. Senators????
The little bastard was pretty quick to level charges of War Crimes against honest warriors -- but wouldn't turn in some wannabe clymers plotting to murder Senators!!!!!!
Kerry is a criminal, in more ways that we can imagine..
The bastard really needs to be pulled up short..
what troubles me is that Kerry is the Democrat's choice for president. what the hell is wrong with that party? Have they descended into self-parody? Are they for real? They would have has a better chance with Lieberman or Edwards. What a sad state of affairs.
what he did when he came home!
They are pages available from Kerry's website. The citation letters and some SITREPS are available there.
Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!
If nothing else was ever found about John Kerry's life experiences, this one phase of his life should not only make him 'unfit to command' but should also have caused him to serve time in a prison. How the media and the legal authorities can take this so nonchalantly is beyond me........
Chris, with his jowls aquiver, keeps insisting that long after the fact hearsay documents are "proof" and eyewitness testimony is not. He is not only incredibly biased, just like his old man, but astonishingly ignorant in his arrogance. I am amazed that Fox allows this moronic presentation to go forward with its pretense of "investigating" and "getting at the facts." More worship of government documents as part of the Allmighty Leviathan State. Only one utterly ignorant of the military can have such faith in "documents" as to believe that they should cut off inquiry into the truth of how they came into being.
I saw the exchange with O'Reilly. I also saw Fox News Sunday. My perception is that Chris Wallace desperately wants to help cover for Kerry, but is smart enough to know he can't get away with it on his Sunday program, especially with Brit Hume present.
Teaming with O'Reilly gives him cover without having to worry about being called on his bias. What he and O'Reilly perpetrated tonight was a very smooth, very slick exercise in journalistic deception by omission. Here's how the scam played out:
First, both Wallace and O'Reilly opine about how troubling these contradictory accounts are, especially since both sides seem so sincere and believable. Then O'Reilly sets up Wallace by asking, in effect, "isn't there any way, any way at all we can determine who's lying?" Wallace, of course, obliges and brings up the documents, those magic "official documents", and sadly, plaintively declares that while he respects the Swiftvets and their right to be heard, the "official Navy documents" tend to support Kerry. (Except about Christmas in Cambodia, but that's not really important.)
Wallace then states he has the after-action report for the Bronze Star/river mine incident, and gee golly, that report is signed by Commander Elliott only 9 days (or thereabout) after the incident, and that the report clearly states they were receiving heavy fire. Therefore, Kerry's account is the true one. QED. O'Reilly agrees, that settles the matter.
Realising their work was done, Matthews and O'Reilly exchange subtle but meaningful glances, and Matthews leaves so O'Reilly can finish his show. He knows it won't be long, however, till he and O'Reilly can meet after the show to share a cigarette and ask "Was it as good for you as it was for me?"
As I said, very slick, very smooth, and very deliberately dishonest. What was screamingly absent, however, the missing key which would complete the logic of Wallace's argument, was the unasked question:
Who wrote the after-action report?
Another question to ask is: Where did the enemy go? There was a disabled boat and men in the water. Why would they just open fire and then run away allowing the other boats to rescue the disabled boat and crew?
Oh wait, they saw Kerry coming back after high tailing it out of there and they decided they didn't stand a chance against the rice bomber.
When was Chris Matthews on the O'Reilly show tonight? I must have missed when he and Bill exchanged glances in the night...
Good catch - thanks for alerting me. That's what I get for trying to do several things simultaneously. Please accept my apology. The paragraph should read:
Realising their work was done, Wallace and O'Reilly exchange subtle but meaningful glances, and Wallace leaves so O'Reilly can finish his show. He knows it won't be long, however, till he and O'Reilly can meet after the show to share a cigarette and ask "Was it as good for you as it was for me?"
Best Frank Sinatra voice...