Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Kerry document that Chris Wallace has

Posted on 08/23/2004 5:53:23 PM PDT by Logical me

Criss Wallace seems to rely very heavy on a document he has concerning Kerry's metals. He is quoting that they are the action reports. Does anyone know what this document is?

Also is this document derived from the reports Kerry's filed. If so, would this explain why this document Wallace has is in conflict with 254 SwiftVets?


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerry; medals; militaryrecord

1 posted on 08/23/2004 5:53:24 PM PDT by Logical me
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Logical me

This is the live thread for Chris Matthews; maybe someone can answer your question.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197757/posts


2 posted on 08/23/2004 5:54:56 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Logical me; Zavien Doombringer; 4mycountry; Constitution Day; VRWCmember; Poohbah; dighton; ...
Spell check is your friend.
3 posted on 08/23/2004 5:54:59 PM PDT by mhking (Why is every city in Iraq a "Holy City?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Logical me



ELECTION 2004
Kerry camp hiring 'assassin'?
Man who plotted murder of congressmen offered job



Posted: March 15, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A Vietnam veteran who plotted to kill members of Congress in 1971 is reportedly ready to accept a position working in the presidential campaign of John Kerry.

Leaders of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, including John Kerry, debated a plot to assassinate congressmen in November 1971, according to a report in the New York Sun.

The Kerry campaign denies the senator and presidential candidate was present at the meeting, saying he quit the organization prior to the heated session in Kansas City, Nov. 12-15, 1971.

However, Randy Barnes of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, disputes that account. Barnes participated in the meeting and he says Kerry, then 27, was at the meeting, voted against the plot and then resigned from the organization. According to the Sun report, another Vietnam vet who attended the meeting, Terry Du-Bose, agreed that Kerry was there.

That the VVAW debated killing members of Congress is not a new revelation. The plot was reported in Gerald Nicosia's 2001 book, "Home To War," that one of the key leaders of the organization, Scott Camil, "proposed the assassination of the most hard-core conservative members of Congress, as well as any other powerful, intractable opponents of the antiwar movement." The book reports on the Kansas City meeting at which Camil's plan was debated and then voted down.

In a cover blurb on the book, Kerry said it "ties together the many threads of a difficult period." Kerry hosted a party for the book in the Hart Senate Office Building that was televised on C-SPAN, according to the Sun.

Camil, never prosecuted for the plot, plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in the presidential campaign, according to the report. Camil's plot, involving eight to 10 Marines, targeted the Southern senatorial leadership including John Stennis, Strom Thurmond and John Tower.

Kerry's service in Vietnam and his activities after the war have become a major source of controversy – especially with other Vietnam veterans.

Last week, one of his crew members accused him of cowardice and making strategic mistakes in battle. The testimony of Steven Gardner, a gunner's mate on the first patrol boat commanded by Kerry in the Mekong delta, contradicts accounts of the senator's military career that depict him as a brave and aggressive lieutenant who won three Purple Hearts.

"He absolutely did not want to engage the enemy when I was with him,'' Gardner said in an interview with the Boston Globe. "He wouldn't go in there and search. That is why I have a negative viewpoint of John Kerry."

Gardner has refused to join the tight-knit group of Vietnam veterans who are passionate supporters of their former comrade's White House bid.

Kerry is said to be "angry'' about the slur.

It all started here. Kerry was a traitor, that is the crux of why most vets are against him.
OPs4 God BLess America!


4 posted on 08/23/2004 5:55:24 PM PDT by OPS4 (worth repeating)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

Maybe they're talking points from the Kerry Campaign?


5 posted on 08/23/2004 5:55:33 PM PDT by theDentist ("John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cmsgop

Dr. Fudge alert!!


6 posted on 08/23/2004 5:57:36 PM PDT by hole_n_one
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hole_n_one

Im here dude!


7 posted on 08/23/2004 5:59:08 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life..........)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Logical me
It's the After Action Report for the March 13, 1969 incident (BS incident). Go here for a thread with a link to a SwiftVets discussion board item where an active duty Navy analyst determines that KERRY WROTE IT.
8 posted on 08/23/2004 5:59:10 PM PDT by Henk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Peach
Me again. My question is based on a few hours ago, O'Rielly interviewed Wallace and Wallace flashed some kind of document that was visible in TV. It looked very sparse and had a few yellow post attached.

He, and O'Rielly both are under the opinion that the SwiftVets are wrong.
9 posted on 08/23/2004 6:02:13 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

Chris Wallace (FoxNews) does seem to be a couple of days behind the news curve.

Sunday, he quoted from a 1968 document. Both Brit and Bill Kristol tried to explain to him that that document was wrong. Wallace insisted it was a truthful document. Finally, almost yelling, Brit and Bill said that doc was wrong because the Kerry campaign had already contradicted it and said it was incorrect. Wallace sat silent.

Tonite on Special Report, Fred Barns did complement the WPost on writing a details article that fairly covered both sides in one of the VN issues. He did say they need to do more such articles on the other VN issues.

This story isn't going away, even though O'Reilly has a poll up on his site and he seems to be hoping it will go away.


10 posted on 08/23/2004 6:03:15 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

Maybe after all of this is over, Kerry will have to join a Heavy Medal Band.


11 posted on 08/23/2004 6:03:54 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Hitlery Recently Seen Throwing Banana Peels in Front of Kerry and Edwards' Residences)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

I have only watched O'Reilly when someone in the administration is on. I just can't tolerate him.

And I'll bet he hasn't read the book. And even if he does read it, my impression of O'Reilly is that he's so opinionated that he will never be able to admit that his first feeling about the Swift Boat vets was wrong.


12 posted on 08/23/2004 6:04:05 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Henk

If Kerry wrote an after aciton report wouldn't the other boat's commanders write after action reports also......We need to see them!


13 posted on 08/23/2004 6:06:50 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

Action reports, if whole I don't know, for February and March 1969 can be found at Kerry site.

They're missing for December and January, known for the Cambodia allegation and the shoot-up of the sampan.


14 posted on 08/23/2004 6:06:51 PM PDT by Shermy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hoosiermama

Good question.....I've been wondering the same thing! O'Neil has most likely got them too! (My copy of UNFIT will be here tomorrow!)


15 posted on 08/23/2004 6:10:34 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Guilty as charged, Your Honor; I DID contribute to the Swiftboat vets campaign ads.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: mhking
Spell check is your friend.

spell check can only do so much. "metals" is used instead of "medals", but it is spelled properly.

16 posted on 08/23/2004 6:12:23 PM PDT by smonk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

Remember folks that the after action reports from the destroyer "Turner Joy" also indicated that the North Vietnamese gun boats attacked the Navy ships in the Tonkin Bay. Later, they did not rely on those after action reports, they relied on the testimony of the folks who were there. After action reports are therefore not always correct. Just a thought!


17 posted on 08/23/2004 6:18:24 PM PDT by NavyCaptain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

After action reports support Kerry's version of events (because he probably wrote them). However, Kerry's own words as well as his biography contradict some of the accounts. What the Swifties need now is to produce some official documents to support their case. Maybe they have some lined up. Maybe that is their October surprise.


18 posted on 08/23/2004 6:22:07 PM PDT by Cableguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Carolinamom; Interesting Times

Got mine...It's not in it, but wouldn't the captain of boat "3" and the other boats also write reports? Hope the Swift Vets produce them. IT can you answer our question?


19 posted on 08/23/2004 6:26:11 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Logical me
I saw that and wanted to barf!

When they talked about whether there was enemy fire when Rassmussen was in the water both believe Rassussen because there is no document saying there was no enemy fire.

What I want to know is how would all those boats not have bullet holes if they were under heavy enemy fire? And we're supposed to believe Rassmusen who was in the water and not the guys on boats who had a better view?

20 posted on 08/23/2004 6:40:17 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

The papers are the fictious accounts the fraud wrote about himself to provide "cover his ass paperwork" to justify his medals.. And these bozos are claiming its "official US Navy documents so it must be gods honest truth. What fools and todies exist in our press today??? There is a tradition of cover your ass paperwork in the military, but his deceptions rise to new hieghts!


21 posted on 08/23/2004 6:44:05 PM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

On johnkerry.com, you can look at his copies of all of his awards and dd-214. The Bronze Star and Silver Star which were awarded in 1969-70 were signed by SECNAV John Lehman. The only problem with that is that Lehman was SECNAV for RR in 1981. Any possibility that the awards needed to be cleaned up for a sitting Senator?


22 posted on 08/23/2004 6:59:08 PM PDT by mortal19440
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: mortal19440

I wonder why Kerry didn't report he was aware of a possible conspiracy to KILL a number of U.S. Senators????

The little bastard was pretty quick to level charges of War Crimes against honest warriors -- but wouldn't turn in some wannabe clymers plotting to murder Senators!!!!!!

Kerry is a criminal, in more ways that we can imagine..
The bastard really needs to be pulled up short..

Semper Fi


23 posted on 08/23/2004 7:24:22 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: OPS4

what troubles me is that Kerry is the Democrat's choice for president. what the hell is wrong with that party? Have they descended into self-parody? Are they for real? They would have has a better chance with Lieberman or Edwards. What a sad state of affairs.


24 posted on 08/23/2004 7:33:05 PM PDT by bubman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Logical me
John eFing Kerry's military service in Vietnam pales in comparison to

what he did when he came home!

25 posted on 08/23/2004 7:35:57 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Logical me
Criss Wallace seems to rely very heavy on a document he has concerning Kerry's metals. He is quoting that they are the action reports. Does anyone know what this document is?

They are pages available from Kerry's website. The citation letters and some SITREPS are available there.

26 posted on 08/23/2004 7:42:35 PM PDT by Cboldt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cboldt
Freeper N. Theknow says:
"It’s faster than a checkbook, more powerful than a Democratic demagogue, able to lay waste to a liar Kerry with the single click of a mouse. It's a little bird of truth, it's plain to see Kerry's unfit... it's... it's...SuperFReep!

Want to join in the fun?
Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!

27 posted on 08/23/2004 7:43:55 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: OPS4
Leaders of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, including John Kerry, debated a plot to assassinate congressmen in November 1971, according to a report in the New York Sun.

If nothing else was ever found about John Kerry's life experiences, this one phase of his life should not only make him 'unfit to command' but should also have caused him to serve time in a prison. How the media and the legal authorities can take this so nonchalantly is beyond me........

28 posted on 08/23/2004 7:52:06 PM PDT by eeriegeno
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

Chris, with his jowls aquiver, keeps insisting that long after the fact hearsay documents are "proof" and eyewitness testimony is not. He is not only incredibly biased, just like his old man, but astonishingly ignorant in his arrogance. I am amazed that Fox allows this moronic presentation to go forward with its pretense of "investigating" and "getting at the facts." More worship of government documents as part of the Allmighty Leviathan State. Only one utterly ignorant of the military can have such faith in "documents" as to believe that they should cut off inquiry into the truth of how they came into being.


29 posted on 08/23/2004 7:52:37 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TomGuy
Chris Wallace (FoxNews) does seem to be a couple of days behind the news curve.

I saw the exchange with O'Reilly. I also saw Fox News Sunday. My perception is that Chris Wallace desperately wants to help cover for Kerry, but is smart enough to know he can't get away with it on his Sunday program, especially with Brit Hume present.

Teaming with O'Reilly gives him cover without having to worry about being called on his bias. What he and O'Reilly perpetrated tonight was a very smooth, very slick exercise in journalistic deception by omission. Here's how the scam played out:

First, both Wallace and O'Reilly opine about how troubling these contradictory accounts are, especially since both sides seem so sincere and believable. Then O'Reilly sets up Wallace by asking, in effect, "isn't there any way, any way at all we can determine who's lying?" Wallace, of course, obliges and brings up the documents, those magic "official documents", and sadly, plaintively declares that while he respects the Swiftvets and their right to be heard, the "official Navy documents" tend to support Kerry. (Except about Christmas in Cambodia, but that's not really important.)

Wallace then states he has the after-action report for the Bronze Star/river mine incident, and gee golly, that report is signed by Commander Elliott only 9 days (or thereabout) after the incident, and that the report clearly states they were receiving heavy fire. Therefore, Kerry's account is the true one. QED. O'Reilly agrees, that settles the matter.

Realising their work was done, Matthews and O'Reilly exchange subtle but meaningful glances, and Matthews leaves so O'Reilly can finish his show. He knows it won't be long, however, till he and O'Reilly can meet after the show to share a cigarette and ask "Was it as good for you as it was for me?"

As I said, very slick, very smooth, and very deliberately dishonest. What was screamingly absent, however, the missing key which would complete the logic of Wallace's argument, was the unasked question:

Who wrote the after-action report?

30 posted on 08/23/2004 7:56:47 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Logical me
Criss Wallace seems to rely very heavy on a document he has concerning Kerry's metals.

Silver and bronze are, indeed, metals. But the stars that Kerry received were medals.
31 posted on 08/23/2004 8:02:55 PM PDT by aruanan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Logical me

Bump....


32 posted on 08/23/2004 9:40:13 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lonestar
What I want to know is how would all those boats not have bullet holes if they were under heavy enemy fire? And we're supposed to believe Rassmusen who was in the water and not the guys on boats who had a better view?

Another question to ask is: Where did the enemy go? There was a disabled boat and men in the water. Why would they just open fire and then run away allowing the other boats to rescue the disabled boat and crew?

Oh wait, they saw Kerry coming back after high tailing it out of there and they decided they didn't stand a chance against the rice bomber.

33 posted on 08/23/2004 9:43:12 PM PDT by eggman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: tarheelswamprat

When was Chris Matthews on the O'Reilly show tonight? I must have missed when he and Bill exchanged glances in the night...


dvwjr


34 posted on 08/23/2004 10:16:41 PM PDT by dvwjr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: dvwjr
When was Chris Matthews on the O'Reilly show tonight? I must have missed when he and Bill exchanged glances in the night...

Good catch - thanks for alerting me. That's what I get for trying to do several things simultaneously. Please accept my apology. The paragraph should read:

Realising their work was done, Wallace and O'Reilly exchange subtle but meaningful glances, and Wallace leaves so O'Reilly can finish his show. He knows it won't be long, however, till he and O'Reilly can meet after the show to share a cigarette and ask "Was it as good for you as it was for me?"

35 posted on 08/24/2004 5:49:07 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: tarheelswamprat
I've always had my doubts about O'Reilly... :-)

Best Frank Sinatra voice...
Strangers in the night...

Strangers in the night exchanging glances
Wond'ring in the night
What were the chances we'd be sharing love
Before the night was through.

do-be-do-be-do...


dvwjr

36 posted on 08/24/2004 9:05:35 AM PDT by dvwjr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson