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Kerry, Watergate: DNC Links Caused Break-In? (Kerry lied! He was still with VVAW JUNE 1972)
US Newswire ^ | 2/9/2004 | Bob Weiner

Posted on 08/24/2004 4:17:23 AM PDT by stockpirate

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To: TomGuy
There were other plots and training going on inside the VVAW at the same time! One involved 20 former GI's training as snipers to decapitate the US Government, kidnapping officials and holding them hostage to force troop withdrawal from Vietnam. Running weapons to a radical group in Cario IL.
51 posted on 08/24/2004 6:20:36 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: IamConservative
We are getting there one step at a time. Precept upon precept, line upon line, here little there little.
52 posted on 08/24/2004 6:22:51 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: ex-Texan
actually it was John F Kennedy who first put our military into South Vietnam, Johnson was simply garnering votes by saying he would pull our troops out of South Vietnam ...rto
53 posted on 08/24/2004 6:44:03 AM PDT by visitor (dems are committing hairy kerry to defend our national security with a shifty politician like JFK)
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To: visitor

Even tho this article was published earlier this year-I wish kerry's book, THE NEW SOLDIER, was part of the author's discussion.


54 posted on 08/24/2004 6:49:56 AM PDT by Republic (q)
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To: stockpirate

Hillary Clinton

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Hillary%20Clinton

After graduation, she became a successful lawyer  and advised the Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge and joined the impeachment inquiry staff advising the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives. After completing those responsibilities, she "followed her heart to Arkansas," where Bill had begun his political career. She was a junior legal member of the Watergate investigation team.

 

 

 

 

55 posted on 08/24/2004 6:50:40 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (Because JOHN KERRY LIED, how many men died?)
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To: Use It Or Lose It

What is very interesting in the FBI files is that there was a VVAW chapter in Little Rock, But I haven't found much about that chapter yet.


56 posted on 08/24/2004 6:52:46 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: stockpirate

bttt


57 posted on 08/24/2004 6:53:19 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: stockpirate
In the 1950's the heirarchy of the communist party in the US was convicted of planning the violent overthrow of the government. The case went to the US Supreme Court and their convictions were unheld even tho they were only issuing pamphlets on how to organize groups to plan the overthrow.

They were fined, jailed, and at last one was deported.

What happened between then and the 70s when these people plotting assassinations were allowed to go free.

58 posted on 08/24/2004 7:04:08 AM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: OldFriend
I have only been reading the FBI documents between summer 1971 to February of 1972.

There is reports from FBI sources that VVAW was recieving funds from the CPUSA and from a communist party of a country in Europe, which IMHO could have been behind the Iron Curtain. Someone else I know has been working on the communist connection early on in the group. Some VVAW cells were formed by members of communist groups, some were later populated with members from these groups. A lot of the time the communist groups and the VVAW had offices next door to each other and took part in the same activities.
59 posted on 08/24/2004 7:22:43 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: stockpirate

There was also some concern within the FBI and I am still following the trail that they were planning to assassinate Nixon. This even triggered the Secert Service putting another guard on Nixon's compound in FL, where it was believed the attempt was to happen.


60 posted on 08/24/2004 7:26:17 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: Admin Moderator

Seeing that it is after 9:00 am on the east coast and people are now at work, is there any way to get this bumped up to the top of the list?


61 posted on 08/24/2004 7:29:41 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: Use It Or Lose It

62 posted on 08/24/2004 7:30:58 AM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Triskaidekaphobia ? Never heard of it !)
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To: stockpirate
So what was the actual connection that the national Democratic office had with Kerry? Kerry was the public spokesperson and national chairman of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. At the request of the Rhode Island Young Democrats, Weiner had invited Kerry to speak, urging youth voter registration, at the Rhode Island Young Democrats' convention in Providence on February 12, 1972. Kerry accepted and spoke as documented in the Providence Journal of Feb. 13, 1972. Kerry also in a news availability there called for Nixon's impeachment as later did the House Judiciary committee by a 28-10 vote before Nixon resigned. Gee, kinda looks like what the media is trying to pass off as an inaccurate memory or a harmless embelishment - Christmas in Cambodia - was actually a calculated fraudulent attempt to fabricate evidence with the sole purpose of removing POTUS. Does Weinerboy actually think these revelations are supposed to help the RATS? LMAO His suggested 30 year Republican conspiracy theory against Kerry is precious. I'm really glad he's on Kerry's team and hope we hear more from him
63 posted on 08/24/2004 7:34:20 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (John & John attys @ law are crying for 1st amendment censorship!! Support swiftvets.com)
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To: stockpirate
actually, this scares me the way i suspect adolph hitler scared thoughtful germans in 1930-1932.

how this clown can get as far politically as he has, and makes a mockery of his service to it, while being moved along by powerful forces.

parallels the rise of the adolph hitler.

these parallels are much more numerous than those which try to portray GWB as Hitler, as DU, Moveon.org and the left implies:

o Kerry and Hitler were both "War Heros" with medals.
o Kerry and Hitler were heros in wars that their nation "lost".
o Kerry and Hitler were both "Wounded" in that war.
o Kerry and Hitler are both opportunists.
o Kerry and Hitler are dedicated to overthrow the existing order.
o Kerry and Hitler were both leaders of radical organizations willing to use violence to win.
o Kerry and Hitler used national dissatisfaction with the war they fought in to gain political prominence.
o Kerry and Hitler gathered up many recruits to his cause from the new-age paganist movement and the ecology movement.
o Kerry and Hitler use sympathetic newsmedia to mold what people are allowed to know and believe.
o Kerry and Hitler use their ties to the entertainment business to stage grandious events meant to impress the weak minded.
o Kerry and Hitler supress or ban books dangerous to them.
o Kerry and Hitler are both adopted by the super-rich as a vehicle to take political control.
o Kerry and Hitler are both socialists.
o Kerry and Hitler are both power hungry narcissists with "psychological issues".

64 posted on 08/24/2004 7:35:06 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: ex-Texan

Thankfully he was gone before Nixon!


65 posted on 08/24/2004 7:46:03 AM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: chilepepper

The story only gets worse. Consider what his wife has been funneling her money into the past several years.

The VVAW was/is a communist front group!


66 posted on 08/24/2004 7:50:19 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: chilepepper

Consider this also:

VVAW members traveled to Moscow and Hanoi!

Bill Clinton traveled to Moscow and met with a member of the KGB.

There was a VVAW cell in Little Rock AK!


67 posted on 08/24/2004 7:53:29 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: alloysteel

Agnew pretty much shot himself in the foot. I've never seen anything arguing that Agnew was innocent. He was, however, classy enough to resign and leave politics without whining.


68 posted on 08/24/2004 7:59:06 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: TomGuy

Kerry he claimed to be the head of the VVAW as late as Jan 1973!!!

We are forbidden by Corbis to post the picture on FR, but if you do a search on kERRY NIXON (all caps except the first letter) at that site, it brings up the picture. If you click the photo to bring up the larger image it has the caption. It states the photo was taken January 24, 1973 in Lowell, Massachusetts. It identifies him as a Vietnam vet and head of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
69 posted on 08/24/2004 8:08:40 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: stockpirate

Good stuff!


70 posted on 08/24/2004 8:10:26 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: stockpirate
I suspect after the 50s crackdown there was much more covert involvement. The various anti-american groups were clearly aware that they were being infiltrated by FBI agents.

It was a running joke among the various groups.

71 posted on 08/24/2004 8:22:14 AM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: js1138

Uh, classy is not a word to be used in connection to Agnew. He was the forerunner to McGreevy in the corruption and sleaze dept. (not including the gay sex part)


72 posted on 08/24/2004 8:23:46 AM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: ravingnutter

Picture search. Thanks!


73 posted on 08/24/2004 8:24:05 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: OldFriend

well my concern is that he will get into the WH.


74 posted on 08/24/2004 8:28:40 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: visitor
You are incorrect. Kennedy sent only Special Forces advisors to Vietnam. One of them was a good friend of mine and he came back from 'Nam and working with the hill country people [Montanyards (Sp?)] in 1962. Lyndon Johnson used the "Fake Gulf of Tonkin Incident" to get the U.S. into the war with thousands of troops. Johnson was even more of liar than Clinton.
75 posted on 08/24/2004 8:32:18 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
So, Nixon was Johnson before he was Nixon.

Kerry's lies are so complicated even he and his bandaid and bacitracin brothers can't keep their story straight.

76 posted on 08/24/2004 8:46:01 AM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: OldFriend

If you get caught and take your punishment without blaming others, you are notches above the democrats.


77 posted on 08/24/2004 8:57:00 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: stockpirate

Connection: Hillary Rodham Clinton and her WH staff were on Watergate Impeachment Team.

Connection: Kerry and VVAW institute assasination plans at 1971 KC Meeting.

Connection: Watergate break-in by CREEPS to foil assasination attempt (?).

Always a question in mind of Americans WHY Nixon sought minor break-in when polls indicated he would have landslide against McGovern.


78 posted on 08/24/2004 10:24:00 AM PDT by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: sully777

Connection: VVAW and Kerry were recieving directions from the NV Communist Government! Documented in FBI files!

Connection: VVAW had a cell in Little Rock!

Connection: Bill Clinton went to Moscow!
Connection: Leaders of the VVAW went ot Moscow and Hanoi.


79 posted on 08/24/2004 10:28:40 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: sully777

There several other plans and operations going on within the VVAW.

1. Running guns to a black miliant group in IL.
2. Team of 20 training in Gainesville FL as a hit squad to remove the leaders of our government.
3. Recieving funds from Communist groups here and overseas.
4. Selling drugs for money.
5. Kidnapping & extortion.
6. Planning to plant bombs.


80 posted on 08/24/2004 10:33:59 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: genefromjersey

ping

you'll find this a tad fascinating


81 posted on 08/24/2004 10:34:52 AM PDT by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: sully777
Connection: Watergate break-in by CREEPS to foil assasination attempt (?).

Always a question in mind of Americans WHY Nixon sought minor break-in when polls indicated he would have landslide against McGovern.

Did Nixon ever come clean on the reason for the break-in? Or any of the other principals?

82 posted on 08/24/2004 11:42:08 AM PDT by jennyp (It's a gift........And a curse.)
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To: stockpirate
From Mark Riebling, Wedge, 1994 edition, pp. 295-297:

"There's a report," Hunt broke in, "that Castro's been getting money to the Democrats. The idea is to photograph the list of contributors the Democrats are required to keep. Once we have those lists, we can have them checked to determine whether the contributors are bona fide or merely fronts for Castro or Hanoi money". . .Robert Maheu, who had been the CIA's go-between for [LA mob boss Johnny] Rosselli and [Florida mob boss Santos] Trafficante [contracted by the CIA to kill Castro but later suspected of being a double-agent for Castro], was a close friend of Democratic National Committee chairman Lawrence O'Brian [a Kennedy associate]. The Cuban security service must have good evidence of attempts against their leader's life, and Castro himself would probably do all he could to help the progressive McGovern, including pass evidence of anti-Castro plots undertaken on Nixon's watch. . .As burglar Frank Sturgis later explained, "One of the things we were looking for in the Democratic National Committee's files, and in some other Washington file cabinets, too, was a thick secret memorandum from the Castro government addressed confidentially to the Democrats' platform committee. The Cubans were providing an itemized list of all the [CIA] abuses. The complaints were especially bitter about various attempts to assassinate the Castro brothers.

83 posted on 08/24/2004 11:57:09 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: stockpirate
Bob Weiner was in the news for his 15 minutes of fame in the 90's during the Clinton scandals, although I can't remember in what connection. Linda Tripp?

Seems that some Democrats (Hillary) are getting nervous that these Kerry revelation's about Cambodia and false smears against Nixon might be making her seat a bit hot.

Will the whole Nixon/Vietnam/Watergate thing be opened up to the public thru the Swiftvets' work?

84 posted on 08/24/2004 12:36:30 PM PDT by what's up
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To: risk
I don't know if Kerry himself was in on the Pentagon Papers theft, but he may have been a few degrees removed from it:

Tom Wells, Wild Man : The Life and Times of Daniel Ellsberg, 461-462

The White House did not believe that Ellsberg had acted alone. In fact, the first "suspected villain" had been Leslie Gelb (just as Gelb had worried). Morton Halperin and Paul Warnke were also suspect. . .Even the staunch cold warrior Paul Nitze attracted suspicion. "He's a co-conspirator with Gelb and Halperin," Ehrlichman reported to Nixon on September 10. "Paul Nitze is?" Nixon responded, incredulously. "I'm quite sure. Quite sure that he's the guy," replied Ehrlichman. . .

Wells goes on to discount Nitze as a suspect, but IMO he's a plausible suspect. Since 1950 he had been the chief political ally of Dean Acheson, a long-time enemy of Nixon who resented being squeezed out of influence after Nixon was elected in 1968. During the last years of the LBJ administration Nitze led a "dove cabal" opposed to the Vietnam War, along with Clark Clifford and the above-mentioned Paul Warnke. Morton Halperin, mentioned above, was a Warnke hiree. Ellsberg claimed he had been Nitze's assistant at one time. During the Nixon administration Nitze worked to undermine the administration's policies. In any case he was on Ehrlichman's list of suspects, along with Gelb, Halperin, and Warnke.

Also: When Ellsberg was deciding where to leak the Papers, he initially approached the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS), a Marxist think-tank linked to the Soviets and Cuba. Ellsberg allowed IPS to make a copy of the Papers, and in September 1970, months prior to Ellsberg leaking the Papers to the New York Times, IPS held a conference, "US Strategy in Asia", featuring Ellsberg, Halperin, and Gelb as speakers.

Finally, Ellsberg also approached Senator George McGovern before leaking to the Times. McGovern was supporting the VVAW's Winter Soldier investigation (held in late 1970) around this time (cf. Douglas Brinkley, Tour of Duty, 356). If there's a VVAW link to the Pentagon Papers, my guess is it would involve some type of coordinaton between the Papers leakers, the Winter Soldier investigation (which like the Papers was intended to discredit the military), and the McGovern campaign.

85 posted on 08/24/2004 12:40:08 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: risk

PS: Another note: Kerry's political ally Robert Drinan was the Congressman who introduced the resolution calling for Nixon's impeachment.


86 posted on 08/24/2004 12:46:29 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

I have never seen this information before. I have been reading the FBI reports on VVAW and they were getting money from a communist party of a country in Europe, the Communist Party of America, and from dealing drugs. Also VVAW was getting directions from the NV Government.


87 posted on 08/24/2004 1:36:16 PM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: risk

I NEED FREEPER'S HELP!!....When Kerry was supposed to be sleeping on the steps of the Capital when they were protesting, he was picked up in an expensive car by someone and taken to hs home....Kerry said it was someone high up in the Pentagon. Does anyone remember that story?? He talked about having a cognac in the study.....HELP!!


88 posted on 08/24/2004 1:46:06 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: stockpirate

I've not seen the information discussed much, just mentioned in passing like in the passage I quote. I suspect a thorough combing of the Watergate tapes and related material would shed additional light.


89 posted on 08/24/2004 1:49:41 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Use It Or Lose It

Was Hurley at the meeng where they dscussed ASSASSINATINg Senators and took a VOTE ON IT??? Did he VOTE...How did he vote?


90 posted on 08/24/2004 1:49:49 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

I had heard he slept elsewhere, but not the part about a Pentagon official picking him up. If you find the answer to your question, please ping me.


91 posted on 08/24/2004 1:52:47 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
Did ya know that Frank Sturgis was in Cuba with Castro during the Revolution?

And Howard Hunt may have been one of the three tramps arrested from behind the grassy knoll in Dealy Plaza oh so many years ago? He actually sued someone for making that claim and it was proved that he was there.

Thay found the three tramps in a boxcar that the man in the control tower pointed out to the police saying that he saw three guys go to the boxcar from behind the fence. There was a fourth person behind that fence he told the police, but he put something long intothe trunk of his car and drove away and these three guys got into the boxcar. Photos of the three tramps show that two of them look alot like Frank Sturgis and Hunt, both tramps, if you look at the pictures have polised shoes on that any military person will recognize.

What is "smoke pouring outof a boxcar door." quote from Bob Dylyn
92 posted on 08/24/2004 1:55:12 PM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: Fedora

It is in the FBI files. $$$$$ Communist $$$$$


93 posted on 08/24/2004 1:56:13 PM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: Fedora

I read it here about him sleeping at a Pentagon official home.


94 posted on 08/24/2004 2:06:57 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: stockpirate
I hadn't heard about Sturgis being with Castro--thought he was one of the guys trying to kill Castro? I have read the allegations about Hunt being one of the tramps, but didn't find them convincing. That main proponent of that allegation is, curiously enough, Mark Lane, a longtime Communist lawyer who was involved in the VVAW Winter Soldier investigation. Lane represented the defendant in the Hunt lawsuit you mention, Liberty Lobby, and later wrote a book about the trial called Plausible Denial. For a critique of Lane's book, see "Implausible Assertions".
95 posted on 08/24/2004 2:14:17 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

I saw a post about a picture of Kerry and Ted Kennedy. The poster said that the caption under the picture stated that the two were discussing whether or not Kerry should risk sleeping in the park and getting arrested. I guess he decided not to, and Kennedy probably helped him out.


96 posted on 08/24/2004 2:22:22 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Fedora
The book I remember was called "Coup d'etat in America". It used a technique that used clear acetate photos of the three tramps taken at about the same angle as in the pictures when the police were leading them for questioning. The theory is that all heads and nose's etc aren't the same. I found the matchup to be perfect for all three of these men. All three were IMHO involved in the WG burglery.
97 posted on 08/24/2004 2:25:05 PM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: Eva

I've seen the photo of Kerry and Kennedy at the event, but not any mention of what they were discussing. I do remember that Ramsey Clark, the protestors' lawyer, had legally advised them not to sleep in the park.


98 posted on 08/24/2004 2:26:50 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: stockpirate

That's not a bad theory - but I believe that Nixon was aware of the sacks of illegal cash DNC chairman Larry O'Brien was laundering, and the wiretaps were installed to gather evidence about it.


99 posted on 08/24/2004 2:38:02 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: stockpirate
Yeah, that was another book on that, originally published in the 70s and re-released in the early 90s. In the late 80s, after that book was originally published, the tramps were identified from arrest records as Harold Doyle, John Forester Gedney, and Gus W. Abrams. Interviews with Doyle, Gedney, and Abrams' sister confirmed this in the early 90s. There's some info here if you scroll down towards the bottom:

The Three Tramps

100 posted on 08/24/2004 2:38:27 PM PDT by Fedora
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