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Kerry's Cambodia Whopper
WashingtonPost ^ | 08/24/04 | Joshua Muravchik

Posted on 08/24/2004 9:17:34 AM PDT by Pikamax

Kerry's Cambodia Whopper

By Joshua Muravchik

Tuesday, August 24, 2004; Page A17

Most of the debate between the former shipmates who swear by John Kerry and the group of other Swift boat veterans who are attacking his military record focuses on matters that few of us have the experience or the moral standing to judge. But one issue, having nothing to do with medals, wounds or bravery under fire, goes to the heart of Kerry's qualifications for the presidency and is therefore something that each of us must consider. That is Kerry's apparently fabricated claim that he fought in Cambodia.

It is an assertion he made first, insofar as the written record reveals, in 1979 in a letter to the Boston Herald. Since then he has repeated it on at least eight occasions during Senate debate or in news interviews, most recently to The Post this year (an interview posted on Kerry's Web site). The most dramatic iteration came on the floor of the Senate in 1986, when he made it the centerpiece of a carefully prepared 20-minute oration against aid to the Nicaraguan contras.

Kerry argued that contra aid could put the United States on the path to deeper involvement despite denials by the Reagan administration of any such intent. Kerry began by reading out similar denials regarding Vietnam from presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon. Then he offered this devastating riposte:

"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christmasncambodia; kerry; kerrycambodia; kerrylies; muravchik

1 posted on 08/24/2004 9:17:34 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
THIS in the WashPost?

The worm has turned.

2 posted on 08/24/2004 9:22:35 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Pikamax

Wow! It is really the Washington Post???


3 posted on 08/24/2004 9:23:40 AM PDT by hankbrown
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To: Pikamax

Good article. Good post.


4 posted on 08/24/2004 9:24:28 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Izzy Dunne
Seared may soon mean cooked, fried, BBQ'd, and roasted
5 posted on 08/24/2004 9:24:33 AM PDT by SpeakingUp (Kerry lied, The NYT lied, and nearly 2 Million Cambodians DIED)
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To: Pikamax

The only thing ever seared into Kerry's memory was the first time he saw the bottom figure in Theresa checkbook.

I bet he can tell you that figure with accuracy.


6 posted on 08/24/2004 9:26:05 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: Pikamax

Is this an editorial or a news article? Have not logged-in to the Post.


7 posted on 08/24/2004 9:26:06 AM PDT by hankbrown
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To: Pikamax

Joshua Muravchik is the author of "Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism". In it he discusses various socialist societies and how each on of them has failed. It's an excellent book.


8 posted on 08/24/2004 9:27:16 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife (I think...therefore, I am a conservative.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
The worm has turned.

Ostensibly. But I suspect the "worm" has its eyes on Hilary-2004. It's still interesting, nonetheless, that the Post may have given up on this year.

9 posted on 08/24/2004 9:27:55 AM PDT by jammer
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To: Pikamax

"I SMELL SMOKE! PULL THAT TURKEY OUT OF THE OVEN, IT's BURNING!"

BWHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAH!

John Fuggin sKerry, loser, Election 2004.

Dim-o-wit Party crumbles.

America rejoices.


10 posted on 08/24/2004 9:28:30 AM PDT by gunnygail (P00ping that hot spicy Thai food this morning was SEARED, SEARED into my brain, I tell you.)
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To: Pikamax

Unbelieveable coming from the WP.


11 posted on 08/24/2004 9:28:56 AM PDT by Wu
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To: Pikamax
Conclusion (from the article)

If -- as seems almost surely the case -- Kerry himself has lied about what he did in Vietnam, and has done so not merely to spice his biography but to influence national policy, then he is surely not the kind of man we want as our president.

Truly amazing, considering the source!

12 posted on 08/24/2004 9:29:07 AM PDT by wai-ming
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To: hankbrown

It's a guest op-ed column. So it will be easy for "news" reporters and editors to dismiss it as merely one man's opinion.


13 posted on 08/24/2004 9:30:17 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: sgtbono2002

I have a suspicion that Tereza will drop Hanoi John after he loses in Nov like a wormy apple! She'll realize that she's married to a loser extraordinaire!


14 posted on 08/24/2004 9:31:30 AM PDT by gunnygail (P00ping that hot spicy Thai food this morning was SEARED, SEARED into my brain, I tell you.)
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To: hankbrown
LOL. Must be a setup. Kerry must have REALLY been in Cambodia. He will drop this bombshell on us to prove he truly is a victim of slander and dirty politics.
15 posted on 08/24/2004 9:31:44 AM PDT by farsighted
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To: Pikamax
One passage reproduced in Brinkley's book says:

"The banks of the [Rach Giang Thanh River] whistled by as we churned out mile after mile at full speed. On my left were occasional open fields that allowed us a clear view into Cambodia. At some points, the border was only fifty yards away and it then would meander out to several hundred or even as much as a thousand yards away, always making one wonder what lay on the other side." His curiosity was never satisfied, because this entry was from Kerry's final mission.

16 posted on 08/24/2004 9:37:46 AM PDT by marron
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To: Pikamax
If he has always been that 'ethically challenged' who needs him in the WH. Lies are nothing new in Kerry's tool kit. The American voters have been down this road with Bill and Al, who wrere absolute toppers in the field of make believe.

"I wasn't aware that I broke the rule, and I won't do it again".

"I did not have sex with that woman..."

"There is no evidence to prove that..."


I have to stop now because I'm making myself sick.
17 posted on 08/24/2004 9:40:47 AM PDT by SMARTY ('Stay together, pay the soldiers, forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus, to his sons)
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To: Pikamax
the point of Kerry's 1986 speech was that he personally had taken part in a secret and illegal war in a neutral country. That was only true if he was "in Cambodia," as he had often said he was. If he was merely "near," then his deliberate misstatement falsified the entire speech.

Precisely. And that is why this is no small fabrication to be laughed off with a wink and a nudge. It was a wholesale indictment of American military policy... based on an incursion that never happened. That is damnable and damning.

This was no 'fog of war' incident, no mental lapse, no confusion, no slip of the memory. This was a deliberately concocted story, repeated on many occasions over the course of many years.

There are, unfortunately, many Vietnam vets who embellish their experience there. Some to make their lives sound more exciting and some, like Kerry, to gain false glory.

The difference between the others and Kerry is that most don't run for president and have their tales vetted by a thousand journalists. Kerry's story is false, wholly made up. He should admit to it rather than keep on insulting our intelligence.

18 posted on 08/24/2004 9:42:18 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: SpeakingUp

Stick him with a fork, I think he is done.


19 posted on 08/24/2004 9:47:25 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Pikamax

The a-holes have figured out that the Vietnam Veteran's Against the War HERO is a loser. Time to jump overboard, so to speak.


20 posted on 08/24/2004 9:57:57 AM PDT by marty60
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To: SMARTY
How about ...

No controlling legal authority.

It depends what the definition of "is" "is"!

21 posted on 08/24/2004 10:04:33 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o
This is the BEST "Bang for your political buck" - EVER!

Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

22 posted on 08/24/2004 10:04:49 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: marron

"always making one wonder what lay on the other side."

Hmm...was Kerry tempted to join Col. Kurtz' outfit?


23 posted on 08/24/2004 10:06:08 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: gunnygail

I believe that Theresa has realised for a long time that she married a loser. The fact has been hidden because he was elected Senator from Massachusetts, a state where a Kennedy endorsement is as good as a get out of jail free card,and is a sure way to the Senate. However even though he is a loser she was privy to all the perks of a senators wife, and she still will be after the election because Kerry was smart enough not to resign. However if the voters in Massachusetts ever come to their senses and votekerry out. All Kerry will see is what the Swift Boat Commanders saw when one of their boats hit a mine

The stern of Theresa Kerry as she opens the throttle in the other direction.


24 posted on 08/24/2004 10:06:16 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: Chieftain

A Swift boat contribution of $50.00 was mailed this past Saturday.


25 posted on 08/24/2004 10:08:36 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Pikamax

Strange that this appeared in the Washington Post. Are the rats fleeing the sinking Swift Boat?

Where is the DNC cover up machine? Why are they not cleaning up after Kerry, and silencing the witnesses?


26 posted on 08/24/2004 10:13:52 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: Shermy

I wonder if someone has the link to Kerry's references to Apocalypse Now, he evidently was very impressed by the movie, and he says he identified with it. It might have been in the "hat" interview, although I think he also wrote a review of the movie way back when... maybe someone can correct me.

But it is notable that in Kerry's dream life he equates his fictional forays into Cambodia with fictional Hollywood forays into Cambodia. I suppose that would make sense.


27 posted on 08/24/2004 10:14:02 AM PDT by marron
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To: Shermy

Here it is:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1190071/posts


28 posted on 08/24/2004 10:16:21 AM PDT by marron
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To: BluH2o

Thanks for your support!


29 posted on 08/24/2004 10:19:08 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: Pikamax

The other charges always had an element of he said/she said, but the Cambodia thing always seemed like a crock.


30 posted on 08/24/2004 10:22:56 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: Pikamax

"...telling the American people that I was not there..."

Because you WEREN'T, Johnny...


31 posted on 08/24/2004 10:34:37 AM PDT by jcb8199
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To: Pikamax

Only page A17 though. I'll be more shocked when this makes A2 or A1. Burying it just guarantees fewer will read it, but lets the WaPo put up a remote appearance of balance.


32 posted on 08/24/2004 10:47:32 AM PDT by Oblongata
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To: Pikamax

I've heard the clintoons' are behind trashing Kerry.


33 posted on 08/24/2004 10:50:08 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: jammer

"But I suspect the "worm" has its eyes on Hilary-2004."

I think you hit the nail on the head. Looks like a lib retreat/regroup.


34 posted on 08/24/2004 10:53:03 AM PDT by myheroesareDeadandRegistered
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To: hankbrown

Guest column from a guy at the American Enterprise Institute.


35 posted on 08/24/2004 10:53:31 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: 68skylark

True. But, I am surprised the editors allowed it to run in the Post. They can halt anything they choose from being printed....surprising they let it run.


36 posted on 08/24/2004 10:54:35 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Pikamax
And his own over-the-top generalization that such "crimes [were] committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command" could be charged up to youthfulness and the fevers of the times.

Well that youthfulness and fever that the WP and Kerry were all caught up in cost AMERICAN LIVES.

This was not a game. This was a war against the growth of Communism in Southeast Asia. Millions died at hands of the butchers that took over after we, with the help of John Friggin Kerry and the Washington Post" walked away from a war that could have been and should have been won.

Here is my message to the youthful and feverish Washington Post. Time to grow up.

37 posted on 08/24/2004 11:01:57 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: shield
I've heard the clintoons' are behind trashing Kerry.

No, they're not -- their people (Podesta, Lockhart, Carville) are all defending Kerry to the hilt.

38 posted on 08/24/2004 2:14:47 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: All
washingtonpost.com
Kerry's Cambodia Whopper

By Joshua Muravchik

Tuesday, August 24, 2004; Page A17

emphasys is page 17

39 posted on 08/24/2004 2:29:36 PM PDT by Kaslin (Was Kerry a hero? .......Yes for the North Vietnamese communist)
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To: shield

The Clintoons must be laughing their asses off and celebrating their coup. They've got the right sliming Kerry for them and they've got the left blaming Bush for them. It's a win-win scenario for them.


40 posted on 08/24/2004 3:00:41 PM PDT by Capricam
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To: Kaslin

Yeah, it's an op-ed piece, so it goes on the op-ed page, right? You didn't think they'd treat this topic as a "news" story, did you?


41 posted on 08/24/2004 4:04:14 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Pikamax

42 posted on 08/25/2004 7:09:01 AM PDT by rhema
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