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Bush and I in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron from 1970 to 1971. (my title)
COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired) open public letter to Washington Times | 8/24/2004 | A Navy Vet

Posted on 08/24/2004 3:06:29 PM PDT by A Navy Vet

Letters to the Editor

'Bush and I were lieutenants'
George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.

It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.

The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and the airplane it possessed, the F-102, was air defense. It was focused on defending the continental United States from Soviet nuclear bombers. The F-102 could not drop bombs and would have been useless in Vietnam. A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.

If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.

The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore.

Sadly, few of today's partisan pundits know anything about the environment of service in the Reserves in the 1970s. The image of a reservist at that time is of one who joined, went off for six months' basic training, then came back and drilled weekly or monthly at home, with two weeks of "summer camp." With the knowledge that Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara were not going to call out the Reserves, it did become a place of refuge for many wanting to avoid Vietnam.

There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.

The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.

Critics such as Mr. Kerry (who served in Vietnam, you know), Terry McAuliffe and Michael Moore (neither of whom served anywhere) say Lt. Bush abandoned his assignment as a jet fighter pilot without explanation or authorization and was AWOL from the Alabama Air Guard.

Well, as for abandoning his assignment, this is untrue. Lt. Bush was excused for a period to take employment in Florida for a congressman and later in Alabama for a Senate campaign.

Excusals for employment were common then and are now in the Air Guard, as pilots frequently are in career transitions, and most commanders (as I later was) are flexible in letting their charges take care of career affairs until they return or transfer to another unit near their new employment. Sometimes they will transfer temporarily to another unit to keep them on the active list until they can return home. The receiving unit often has little use for a transitory member, especially in a high-skills category like a pilot, because those slots usually are filled and, if not filled, would require extensive conversion training of up to six months, an unlikely option for a temporary hire.

As a commander, I would put such "visitors" in some minor administrative post until they went back home. There even were a few instances when I was unaware that they were on my roster because the paperwork often lagged. Today, I can't even recall their names. If a Lt. Bush came into my unit to "pull drills" for a couple of months, I wouldn't be too involved with him because I would have a lot more important things on my table keeping the unit combat ready.

Another frequent charge is that, as a member of the Texas ANG, Lt. Bush twice ignored or disobeyed lawful orders, first by refusing to report for a required physical in the year when drug testing first became part of the exam, and second by failing to report for duty at the disciplinary unit in Colorado to which he had been ordered. Well, here are the facts:

First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly — the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc.

If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user.

Second, there was no such thing as a "disciplinary unit in Colorado" to which Lt. Bush had been ordered. The Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver is a repository of the paperwork for those no longer assigned to a specific unit, such as retirees and transferees. Mine is there now, so I guess I'm "being disciplined." These "disciplinary units" just don't exist. Any discipline, if required, is handled within the local squadron, group or wing, administratively or judicially. Had there been such an infraction or court-martial action, there would be a record and a reflection in Lt. Bush's performance review and personnel folder. None exists, as was confirmed in The Washington Post in 2000.

Finally, the Kerrys, Moores and McAuliffes are casting a terrible slander on those who served in the Guard, then and now. My Guard career parallels Lt. Bush's, except that I stayed on for 33 years. As a guardsman, I even got to serve in two campaigns. In the Cold War, the air defense of the United States was borne primarily by the Air National Guard, by such people as Lt. Bush and me and a lot of others. Six of those with whom I served in those years never made their 30th birthdays because they died in crashes flying air-defense missions.

While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen — then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.

In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before disaster strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to slander the Guard: Knock it off.

COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired)
U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard
Herndon, Va.5


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: airnationalguard; ang; bush; bushmilitaryrecord; campenni; gwb2004; tang
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1 posted on 08/24/2004 3:06:32 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet

bttt


2 posted on 08/24/2004 3:08:27 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (I approve this message: character and integrity matter. Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: A Navy Vet; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator

Didn't think an open letter from a citizen is against posting rules. I tried to include the link, but was only allowed to excerpt. I'll try again if this is a problem.


3 posted on 08/24/2004 3:09:22 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: A Navy Vet

4 posted on 08/24/2004 3:10:29 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: A Navy Vet

5 posted on 08/24/2004 3:11:20 PM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: Darksheare

Ping


6 posted on 08/24/2004 3:11:39 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Save a Democrat! Vote Republican!)
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To: A Navy Vet

Fantastic find.


7 posted on 08/24/2004 3:12:21 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thanks.


8 posted on 08/24/2004 3:13:26 PM PDT by Darksheare (Who are all these mimes, why are they in the woods, and did you know they taste like chicken?)
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To: A Navy Vet

Wow! God bless you, Col. CAMPENNI! Thank you for speaking up.


9 posted on 08/24/2004 3:13:41 PM PDT by Faith
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To: A Navy Vet

BTTT / Bookmark


10 posted on 08/24/2004 3:14:12 PM PDT by spodefly (I have posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: A Navy Vet

This sounds familiar; is it from a while back? Do you have a link?


11 posted on 08/24/2004 3:14:17 PM PDT by xlib
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To: A Navy Vet

Bump for later read


12 posted on 08/24/2004 3:14:22 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: A Navy Vet
While many in the Navy are having a hard time accepting Kerry as having been one of their own, an Air National Guard financial management instructor proudly displayed GW's picture as a former member at the beginning of a professional development seminar I attended.
13 posted on 08/24/2004 3:14:22 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: A Navy Vet

I would like the link, as I want to send it to others and I want them to know that this is authoritative. Thanks!


14 posted on 08/24/2004 3:15:09 PM PDT by walden
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To: ChadGore

Gee, I didn't know that Bush flew with the New York Air National Guard.


15 posted on 08/24/2004 3:15:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Thanks for posting this great personal observation by: COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired)
U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard
Herndon, Va.5


16 posted on 08/24/2004 3:15:35 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: A Navy Vet
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1185997/posts
17 posted on 08/24/2004 3:17:31 PM PDT by happydogdesign
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To: Squantos; river rat; Eaker; RaceBannon; tet68; maica; Freee-dame; B4Ranch
I've read elsewhere that about 260 out of the 900 or so F-102s built, crashed, killing about 70 of the pilots. They were an unstable supersonic delta-winged interceptor, and had an accidents per hour rate several times worse than today's jet fighters. Flying interception missions in an F-102 was not some safe desk job!

Besides, in the cold war against the USSR, interception of Soviet bombers was a primary mission of our military. Viet Nam was not the only war going on in 1971: the cold war was also very very real.

18 posted on 08/24/2004 3:17:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: A Navy Vet
See Bush and I were Lieutenants (Fellow Pilot Comes to Bush's Defense) from 2/11/2004 w/ 739 comments.
19 posted on 08/24/2004 3:17:47 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (When it came to Intelligence, Kerry was absent)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Good God you have the eyes of a Hawk, I had to squint really hard to read that ... good catch though!


20 posted on 08/24/2004 3:20:35 PM PDT by Stag (Kerry, Lenin, Chirac - which one doesn't belong? Kerry. The others love their country.)
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To: A Navy Vet; Dawn_USAF; CheneyChick; ODC-GIRL; The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; ...
"MOUNT 52 : REPEAT"


21 posted on 08/24/2004 3:21:53 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: annyokie

Anyone know which ribbons Bush is wearing in that photo?


22 posted on 08/24/2004 3:21:58 PM PDT by Petronski (Sometimes I'm just too damned cranky.)
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To: A Navy Vet

So what you are saying Colonel, is that Lt. Bush was AWOL? </MSM mindmeld>


23 posted on 08/24/2004 3:22:24 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Ho, Ho, Ho Chi MInh/Loves John Kerry so vote him in!)
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To: xlib
Link
24 posted on 08/24/2004 3:25:58 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Petronski

The first one is the Air Force Citation ribbon. I am uncertain about the second without a color picture.


25 posted on 08/24/2004 3:26:56 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: A Navy Vet

Excellent. BTTT


26 posted on 08/24/2004 3:27:34 PM PDT by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: happydogdesign

Thanks for the link.


27 posted on 08/24/2004 3:29:56 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: walden

Several months ago I called this gentleman and spoke to him. He is 100% legit.

This is a repost of a letter that was on FR in the Feb time frame.


28 posted on 08/24/2004 3:30:42 PM PDT by IGOTMINE ("By God, I pity those poor bastards we're going up against. By God I do.")
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To: NonValueAdded

Oops, should have done a more thorough search. Still, because it is a open letter, and therefore I believe public domain, I posted the entire letter.


29 posted on 08/24/2004 3:32:22 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: mondonico; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; mhking; afraidfortherepublic; Wait4Truth; cyn; muggs
Ping for a fantastic letter in support of our courageous JET FIGHTER!

Luke Skywalker's FRIENDS strike back!

30 posted on 08/24/2004 3:32:43 PM PDT by Republic (q)
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To: A Navy Vet

I heard Kerry saying today that he enlisted in the Navy, that unlike Bush, he volunteered. Well, Kerry enlisted in the NAVAL RESERVES, which is just like the Army and Air Force NATIONAL GUARD. The only problem for Kerry was that he was activated after he completed OCS while Bush was not. So if Bush joined the National Guard to "get out of serving", so did Kerry.


31 posted on 08/24/2004 3:33:59 PM PDT by anoldafvet (If France was our enemy, what would be different?)
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To: Petronski

The one on the left is the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award. The one on the right appears to be the Expert Marksmanship Ribbon, but it's hard to tell for sure without seeing the colors.


32 posted on 08/24/2004 3:36:56 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: A Navy Vet
I think it was worth a repost to bring it back to everyone's attention. The mods will sometimes allow duplicate posts only hours apart on important subjects.

I do suggest that everyone go back to the original post to read the commentary from our first go around on the subject though. I also recommend a visit to the aerospaceweb.org link in #17, repeated here for your convenience: Q and A- F-102, Vietnam & George W. Bush

33 posted on 08/24/2004 3:37:29 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (When it came to Intelligence, Kerry was absent)
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To: A Navy Vet

BTTT!
Thank you.


34 posted on 08/24/2004 3:38:01 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: A Navy Vet
I am one of four brothers that enlisted during the Viet Nam War.  After completing my enlistment, I joined the California Air National Guard.  This post is misleading.  Unlike present day circumstances, the National Guard could not be called up without activating the entire unit, and then only if in a declared war, which the Viet Nam War was not.  Reservists, on the other hand, could be activated individually. The laws governing National Guard activation have been changed greatly since the Viet Nam War.

The National Guard was a refuge from Viet Nam duty for many.  That's the way it was.  That doesn't mean everyone joining the National Guard sought an easy pass.  Many did though.  It was a way to dodge military service in Viet Nam during the Viet Nam War for the sons of the well connected and college graduates.  Like marriage and having children, college was given a deferment only while attending and maintaining passing marks.  They could be drafted, but it seldom occurred.  Single men not attending college were much more likely to be drafted.

Only GW Bush knows what was on his mind during this period.  I sure don't.  Repeating again that I was one of four brothers that escaped the draft by the only means that was respectable.  We enlisted directly into the armed forces.  We have wartime issues with both John Kerry and GW Bush.

I'd prefer to see the Viet Nam era put behind us and get down to the issues of today.  Time is short and there are too many major issues not being discussed.

35 posted on 08/24/2004 3:38:32 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump FIRE


36 posted on 08/24/2004 3:41:54 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: A Navy Vet

bookmark


37 posted on 08/24/2004 3:44:13 PM PDT by federal
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping Tonk.


38 posted on 08/24/2004 3:44:44 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: Non-Sequitur

The F-102 in question is a static display aircraft at Ellington Field, Houston Texas. It was placed on display in honor of then Gov Bush after he was elected Gov. Static display aircraft are provided by the Air Force out of storage areas, its the same intercepter that the President flew while assigned to the 111 FIS in the early 70's.


39 posted on 08/24/2004 3:45:50 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Quick, send this to Christine Matthews. He challenged anyone, ANYONE! to provide someone who could support Dubya's military record.

That's 2 Christine! No wonder your show is the bottom of the barrel of cable TV - all TV in fact.


40 posted on 08/24/2004 3:46:16 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: annyokie

Nice picture.

He still looks like a wiseass pilot.


41 posted on 08/24/2004 3:46:44 PM PDT by SBprone
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To: backtothestreets

Time is short and there are too many major issues not being discussed.

The most important one for me is CHARACTER. Or don't you think that is an important item to be discussed?


42 posted on 08/24/2004 3:47:46 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Petronski

Air Force Outstanding Unit Award, and Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon.


43 posted on 08/24/2004 3:48:43 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: backtothestreets
I'd prefer to see the Viet Nam era put behind us and get down to the issues of today. Time is short and there are too many major issues not being discussed.

This is exactly the reason people are questioning Kerry pushing his four months in Viet Nam. What about what's on the plate today, Mr. Kerry? He doesn't want to talk about his record or his plan after he is elected. That is the whole problem.

44 posted on 08/24/2004 3:49:35 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: happydogdesign

Thank you so much for linking that! I had missed it before. Off to mark it for future reference.


45 posted on 08/24/2004 3:50:35 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: SBprone

"Single seaters" are all like that.


46 posted on 08/24/2004 3:52:17 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: bentfeather

Question: Did George Bush have a nick name? Pilots do that don't they? What was his?


47 posted on 08/24/2004 3:52:23 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: backtothestreets

"I'd prefer to see the Viet Nam era put behind us and get down to the issues of today."

NOT until Kerry answers for his actions AFTER he came back.

Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) Sunday night 8/22/04,
just hours after former Sen. Bob Dole publicly challenged Kerry to apologize to veterans.

Brant was skipper of the #96 and # 36 boat and spent time with Kerry in Anm Thoi.
Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters,
and Brant used to put Kerry back to be at night when Kerry was sleepwalking.

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc98.htm

KERRY: "Why are all these swift boat guys opposed to me?"

BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back,
the impact it had on the young sailors
and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there.

[Brant had two men killed in battle.]

KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92,

I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties,

I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

ROT IN HELL HANOI KERRY!

The New Soldier by John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against the War

FREE Download of The New Soldier by John Kerry
and and Vietnam Veterans Against the War

Print and distibute the book that John Kerry "forgets" to mention!

The one book he refuses to bring up.

"honor" John Kerry

Help America know what a "hero" he was at the Winter Soldier
scam he and Jane Fonda pulled on the USA when he came home.

Make sure Kerry "fans" get their copy!


http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf

"Phony Vietnam veterans alleged in books
Guenter Lewy's 1978 book America in Vietnam (pages 316-317) and B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley's Stolen Valor (Verity Press, Inc., Dallas, Texas)(pages 113, 131-137) contain similar information about alleged flaws in Lane's book. Neither book, however, refutes any of the testimony given during the Winter Soldier Investigation.

Lawyer and leftist activist Mark Lane was one of the organizers of Winter Soldier. In 1970, Lane had published a book called Conversations With Americans purporting to be interviews with Vietnam veterans about war crimes, containing Vietnam tales of atrocities. Reporter Neil Sheehan showed some interviewed in Lane's book had never served in Vietnam and others had not been in the situations they described. Lane admitted he did not check military records, as confirmation of details was not relevant. Lane later confirmed these militarty records.
The following are often falsely listed as being participants in Winter Soldier, but were actually in Lane's book instead. This confusion is probably due to Stolen Valor having an explanation of Lane's history within the section on Winter Soldier.
Chuck Onan, stock room clerk in Beaufort, S.C.
Michael Schneider, deserted in Europe and deserted again in the USA.
Terry Whitmore, was in an unpopulated area of Vietnam.
Garry Gianninoto, medical corpsman at battalion headquarters.
VVAW leader and Winter Soldier co-organizer Al Hubbard lied about being an officer, and sustaining war injuries - but he never testified at Winter Soldier .
According to the investigative work of Burkett, Lewy and others, there were many imposters, liars, and plain nutjobs who infiltrated the ranks of the anti-war movement, and, in some cases, testified to war crimes and atrocities that never occurred in order to get attention, sympathy, and, in one documented case, medals and honors."

http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/W/Winter-Soldier-Investigation.htm


48 posted on 08/24/2004 3:53:26 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; ntnychik; devolve; Happy2BMe; Boazo; OXENinFLA; ...
Great article and pics Lt. G.W. Bush...

THANKS FOR   THE PING!


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49 posted on 08/24/2004 3:54:08 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Haha, You caught that too!


50 posted on 08/24/2004 3:54:50 PM PDT by Tallguy (If Clinton did a good job stopping the Millenium Bomber, I've got 2 Towers in NYC to sell you...)
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